Dunce Cap Award goes to Spain!

I have to agree 100% with Mr. Taylor, the people of Spain made a mistake!

Here is an article from Randy Talor at NEIN, www.homelandsecurityus.com...

Do you remember the threats from Al Qaeda to the country of Spain warning about the perils of having troops in Iraq as part of the US Coalition?

Pull the troops out and abandon the coalition or we will attack you.

Then Al Qaeda took the threat further and blew up a few commuter trains a mere three days before the elections and ultimately Spain�s voters chose what seemed to be the easy way out purely out of fear.

Afraid of a small group of individuals that threatened to hurt them and actually attacked them.

They thought they had made a wise decision much like many here in this country think the US should do.

Pull out of Iraq or the big, bad Al Qaeda monster will get us.

Lo and behold, according to BBC news reports today there have been multiple arrests over the last two weeks in Spain of Al Qaeda cell members who were plotting to destroy the High Court where the primary investigators of the train bombings are stationed and the Supreme Court in Madrid as well.

�The plot is said to have involved detonating a lorry loaded with 500 kg (1,100 lb) of explosives near the High Court and Supreme Court.

No weapons or explosives have been found� The article reported.

In addition �A further seven were killed when their explosives blew up as police approached their hide-out in Madrid.�

Hmmmm. I thought the deal was if Spain pulled out of Iraq, they would have an Al Qaeda Fire and Casualty Insurance Blanket Policy.

You know, like the policies offered by the mob to businesses here in the US. Weren�t those the terms of the deal? Hmmmm.

How utterly surprising that Al Qaeda lied to an entire government and people, manipulated the Spaniards right out of a coalition through democratic process disruption and threats.

So in light of utter stupidity displayed by the anti-war majority portion of the population,, for going above and beyond in their effort to display poor judgment to the rest of the world, and for not coming to our leaders and begging us to let them redeem themselves by joining the coalition again,

I must award the country of Spain, the �Dunce Cap Award�.

Further and more importantly, I want to congratulate the American People for not giving an inch to Bin Laden and his gang of murderers and cowards.

He clearly warned us of the penalty for voting for George W. Bush and you didn�t allow him the pleasure of intimidation that he and his punks have grown used to.

If Al Qaeda attacked tomorrow, I would rather go to meet my maker knowing I didn�t die like a coward or in fear.

I am very proud of this country, I am very proud of the people that live here and I am proud to be an American.

Now more than ever, please support and pray for our President,
George W. Bush

I think if you actually check back a bit you'll find that the majority of spaniards were against Spains involvement in Iraq from the outset, before any deployment took place.

The people voiced their disapproval at the ballot boxes when the time came and the outcome had nothing to do with the train bombings.

Briguy is right. Now stop insulting other countries. I don't mind if you're proud of your own country, but respect other countries and their decisions as well.

The truth is that the people of Spain were presented within 1 or 2 days of their election with proof that their government had clearly attempted to make selfish political gain out of the horror of Madrid.

Naturally enough once this became common knowledge then PM Aznar's government lasted about the same number of nano-seconds as any government would have done anywhere.

This is why they threw out Aznar's government.

Anyone who says otherwise is simply ignorant of the facts or lying.

[edit on 5-11-2004 by sminkeypinkey]

Well it shows you how superior these terrorists groups are to peoples governments.. sorry to say.

Europe in nature tends to be "softer" than America. Spain is not used to terrorism.. as in USA we've had domestic terrorism.. some even caused by the government AKA WACO. And domestic terrorists such Oklahoma city bomber, school shootings..... 9-11 of course.

Guys... you forget. America needn't give a sh!t what other countries think of its politics, but populations of other countries opposing the war in Iraq is just unacceptable.

Originally posted by RedOctober90
Well it shows you how superior these terrorists groups are to peoples governments.. sorry to say.

- I do not agree with this at all. Western governments are as vicious as anybody when they feel the need, whatever the image.

Europe in nature tends to be "softer" than America.

- I think you'll find there is a world of difference between loud-mouthed bragging and actuality.

Spain is not used to terrorism.. as in USA we've had domestic terrorism.. some even caused by the government AKA WACO. And domestic terrorists such Oklahoma city bomber, school shootings..... 9-11 of course.

- This is absurd and so utterly untrue. You have got to be joking, right?

....cos you obviously don't know what you are talking about otherwise.

America's experience with terrorism is absolutely minimal compared to Europe's.

Spain has has decades of terrorism to endure from their Basque 'problem'v and the separatist group ETA. ETA bombs and shoots people. Go look them and their activities up and see how Spain is or is not 'used' to 'terrorism'.

Italy had decades of terrorism from their 'Red Brigades' and other radical groups. Again bombing and shootings were a regular feature of their campaigns....including the kidnapping and murdering of Aldo Moro (5 times Italian premier).

As did Germany.

France has had decades of terrorism from it's Algerian 'problem'.

Holland had had periodic terrorist events thanks to it's old empire days.

The UK has had 90+yrs of terrorism from it's 'Irish problem'......a lot of which was funded and materially supported by the USA....should 'we' have lashed out at and attacked 'you'?

We're talking murders, shootings, bombings, hijackings, blackmail, intimidation, economic warfare etc etc.

It might not have happened all in one go like 9/11 but the UK alone has lost way in excess of 3500 people during the last round of 'troubles' in Ireland.

Originally posted by Otts

Guys... you forget. America needn't give a sh!t what other countries think

- No, we forget nothing, we had it before, we understand fascism when we hear it loud and clear.

but populations of other countries opposing the war in Iraq is just unacceptable.

- I think we can withstand the deeply wounding barrage of jokes about a less than enthusiastic Europe for the US 'cause'.





[edit on 6-11-2004 by sminkeypinkey]

Originally posted by RedOctober90Spain is not used to terrorism..

umm does eta ring a bell to you?they are too used to it.

Starting so soon? With a Bush 'Win', we going to have the geopolitcal events of their first term recast in a favoring light. This is along those lines. But, Fascist is as Fascist does, I guess. Believe me , Espana knows fascists when they see them, that's why they voted the way they did.
Same reason why America voted the way it dod too, just the Spaniards didn't have control of the voting machines like Team Rove did.

SIRR1

I would recommend you leaving the '___'. It makes you seeming delirious.

At the beginning I felt myself outraged when I rode your post. But fortunately here are people intelligent enough to explain you how ridiculous your post is.

Spain kicked Aznar out because he tried to manipulate the 11-M in his own benefice. And I will not tolerate an American now trying to manipulate the 11-M massacre in order to back his overflowed self-proud.

Dou you know how Aznar tried to fit the 11-M for his own agenda? He told that ETA (which is also a terrorist group) had bombed the trains.

Now lets think about it the logic way, i.e. the European way:

If ETA would had bombed the trains in order to kick Aznar out of the office, the PP party leaded by Mr. Aznar would had won the elections by crushing majority. This is the reason because Aznar tried to hide that the guilty was Al Qaeda. So, following your reasoning the Spaniards don�t give a s*it about the ETA�s threats but the Spaniards are very afraid of the mohammeds.

Let me tell you what made the Spaniards kicking Aznar out of the office: The rage.

Lets suppose that during one of the demonstrations against the PP government after the 11-M, somebody throws Osama Bin Laden by parachute in the middle of the demonstration. Osama would keep alive a couple of microseconds. The people would play soccer with the Osama�s head. That is how afraid were the Spaniards.

I don�t care what you rode in your newspapers or what the Fox News told you. I was here, and I know what happened actually.

Was the withdrawn of the Spanish troops a good decision? I don�t know, but what I know for sure is that once the trains exploded and Aznar blamed ETA, the socialist victory was inevitable.

Furthermore, the fact that the 90% of the Spaniards were absolutely opposed to the war in Iraq means something to you?

The threat of Al Quaeda was �to withdrawn your troops from Iraq, Afghanistan and Kosovo�

What are 1200 spanish troops doing in Afghanistan? What are 800 spanish troops doing in Kosovo? The fact that Mr. Zapatero had promised to withdraw the Spanish troops from Iraq 6 months before the 11-M means something to you?


So the Spaniards are not used to the terrorism as much as you are. Well, sometimes it is amazing how ignorant you can be. I will not tell you guys why such sentence is hilarious. As we use to say in Spain �Mrs. Modesty, come down because the Americans are going up!�

So now we have a lot of terrorist cells here because the Spaniards kicked Aznar. Did you know that the New York attacks were planned in Spain? In 2001 Aznar was in the office. Why was Spain overrun by terrorist in 2001? The fact that Spain is 10 miles away from Morocco and the USA is 10.000 could have something to do in the whole issue?

Why no one American says �Thanks Spain� when our police arrest Islamic terrorists? Why no one American give a s*it about the fact that Spain is the western country that has arrested the higher number of Islamic terrorists?

It seems to me that some Americans are whishing a huge terrorist attack in Spain in order to back more their self-proud. The enthusiasm that many Americans show when the Spanish police discover a new terrorist cell planning a massacre is pathetic. That is so repugnant that sometimes I have to fight against wishing a huge attack against the USA in order to say a couple of funny things around here. But that would not be good for my conscience. I am European, I have conscience.

Mr. Aznar was a sucker, a flunky of George Bush, and his sexual obsessive-compulsive tendency to say �YESIR� to the Americans without taking care of what the Spaniards wanted, have taken 200 Spanish lives and have putted in doubt the honor of the Spaniards all across the World. And now he is saying all around the world that AlQaeda won the elections in Spain and that the Spaniards are very afraid.

Mr. Aznar is a TRAITOR to Spain and he should be shot.

I enjoyed a lot when Zapatero said �We are back in Europe�. Amen.

Originally posted by Pelayo
I enjoyed a lot when Zapatero said �We are back in Europe�. Amen.

- Tell it like it is Pelayo.

Way above

Are we going to get a reply from SIRR1? Or is this just another driveby rant? This is a forum not a blog.