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"In the post-process toning and balancing of the uneven light in the alleyway, I developed the raw file with different density to use the natural light instead of dodging and burning. In effect to recreate what the eye sees and get a larger dynamic range.
"To put it simply, it's the same file - developed over itself - the same thing you did with negatives when you scanned them."
Originally posted by ArMaPFrom what I understand of it, it may have been three times the same photo, to create a high-dynamic-range version of the photo with three slightly different versions made from the original photo.
Hansen was meant to provide the Raw file for his winning photo, as proof that he didn’t significantly modify the final image — but so far, he hasn’t.
They must have known it was a fake!
Hansen continued: "In the post-process toning and balancing of the uneven light in the alleyway, I developed the raw file with different density to use the natural light instead of dodging and burning. In effect to recreate what the eye sees and get a larger dynamic range.
Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
But - now we have to ask - for a photo to be an original photo, how much enhancing is too much? You can take any ordinary photo and enhance the heck out of it with out incorporating other images into the original image.
Originally posted by elevenaugust
However, it raised up two questions:
1- As already pointed out, where is the limit between the enhancement of a photo and a fakery?
Manipulation, changes the reality of the image. Ie adds, removes or edits stuff that wasn't there. Enhancing changes the look of the image without changing the reality of it. Ie, converting image into black & white. Doing hdr, like this image is not manipulating.
Just because there agenda is not obvious to us does not mean that there don't have one.
Why not just make available the 3 original images that compose the picture in question, that way we can judge for ourselves what has or has not been removed?
However if indeed this image has been tampered with, by that I mean 3 different pictures spliced together and then enhanced
That's what he said alright but the part about "recreate what the eye sees" is a lie as far as I'm concerned. The eye does not see the fake lighting that he used in the second person from the left, ever.
Originally posted by ArMaP
This is what the photographer answered:
"In the post-process toning and balancing of the uneven light in the alleyway, I developed the raw file with different density to use the natural light instead of dodging and burning. In effect to recreate what the eye sees and get a larger dynamic range.
"To put it simply, it's the same file - developed over itself - the same thing you did with negatives when you scanned them."
Source
The 2nd person on the left is about 5 rows back, against the wall, and looking down. The back of his head is lit by the sun. The shadow of his shoulder shows that his head is just past the recess in the wall. And his face is lit by?...
Well, his face isn't lit by the sun since it is facing away from the sun. It isn't lit by the wall or the window since we can see that his head is past the bright part of the wall and the window is dark. It also isn't list by a flash since the part of his face that is aimed down the alley is darker than the side of his face....
This combination approach is a poor-man's version of high-dynamic range (HDR) imaging. It allowed Hansen to brighten otherwise-dark facial features. HDR is a very controversial technique for photo journalism. As Sean Elliot, President of the National Press Photographers Association, declared, "HDR is not appropriate for documentary photojournalism."
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
That's what he said alright but the part about "recreate what the eye sees" is a lie as far as I'm concerned. The eye does not see the fake lighting that he used in the second person from the left, ever.
But, if the head is illuminated by a light source from the right, casting shadows on the left, the eye will not perceive a light source on the left.
Originally posted by ArMaP
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
That's what he said alright but the part about "recreate what the eye sees" is a lie as far as I'm concerned. The eye does not see the fake lighting that he used in the second person from the left, ever.
No, the eye sees the darker areas brighter than the photos show and the brighter areas do not get overexposed, our eyes are much better than any camera.
1. XMP Analysis. The XMP analysis reflects an incomplete understanding of the Photoshop metadata and also paraphrases the contents in a misleading way. The referenced block of metadata merely indicates that the file was adjusted in the Adobe Photoshop Camera Raw module on multiple occasions before it was opened in Photoshop and then saved out as a JPEG. In fact, this metadata does not track whether multiple files were composited.
2. Error Level Analysis. The forensic analysis of the JPEG compression as performed by error level analysis (ELA) does not provide a quantitative or reliable analysis of photo manipulation. This analysis frequently mis-identifies authentic photos as altered and fails to identify altered images, and as such is not a reliable forensic tool.
3. Shadow Analysis. The shadow analysis is flawed in its logic and conclusions. It is true that linear constraints that connect points on an object with their corresponding points on the shadow should intersect at a single point (assuming the presence of a single light source). The location of this intersection point, however, cannot be used to reason about the elevation of the light in the scene. The intersection point is simply the projection of the light source into the image plane. This projected location can be anywhere in the image (including below the ground plane) depending on where the photographer is oriented relative to the sun."
One of the key pieces of evidence cited in the initial article criticizing the photo is a block of Photoshop metadata which was said to indicate that multiple files had been opened in Photoshop and combined. This claim immediately raised my suspicions, because I know from my 15 years working on the Photoshop team that tracking metadata from multiple, composited photos is a challenge that the team has never really tackled. Typically, when one photo is pasted into another, all of the metadata from the pasted photo is discarded.
As expected, when I examined the metadata in question, I discovered that it indicated nothing more damning than a file that had been adjusted several times in the Adobe Photoshop Camera Raw dialog prior to being opened in the main Photoshop application and saved out as a JPEG. To verify this, I succeeded in creating the same pattern of metadata in one of my own files by doing just that.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
But, if the head is illuminated by a light source from the right, casting shadows on the left, the eye will not perceive a light source on the left.
The modified photo appears to show a light source on the left, as described in the quote in my previous post.
The image on the right is modified to make it appear there's a light source on the left, but there isn't, at least not on the immediate left as it appears.
So our eyes would lighten that shadow perhaps, but they wouldn't reverse the direction of the light source as this manipulation appears to have done.
This may be the first time I've disagreed with you about a photo analysis, but in this case I agree with the analysis that says it looks like the direction of the light source is on the left in the modified photo.
Originally posted by ArMaP
To me it does not appear to show a direct light source, only ambient light.