So much for DISCLOSURE! Citizens Hearing on Disclosure demands takedown of youtube videos.

All the people crying about money HAVE NOT EVEN WATCHED THE CITIZEN HEARING. Therefore YOU HAVE NO IDEA what you are talking about. I have been watching the hearing and I can tell you for an absolute fact that it is totally serious. All you need to do is watch Daniel Sheehan's testimony. That alone will convince you of the reality of this situation. I will try to upload that one. Trust me, this is for real - this is not a scam for money. You are all extremely stubborn either way, but I am just telling you it's the real deal. If you were able to see it for yourself you would understand. But instead you keep whining like children about the fact that it costs 4 bucks to stream. Not to mention that many of you absolutely DO NOT BELIEVE in much of the general premises of the disclosure movement to begin with, so you obviously have a conflict of interest from the get go. So, I say stop bullying and stop whining. If you haven't watched any of the hearings, then your opinions MEAN NOTHING.

reply to post by FlyingTeacup


You are missing the point, this is about Disclosure , people are talking and bringing things into the open and that`s what matters. Also remember not everyone is a liar, so what if they plug there latest book, these people have to live. Do not forget if the government wants to get a situation up and running it will spend millions in the process, I do not think Mr Bassett has that sort of financial back-up, they raise there money when and where they can.
Nit - picking is not the way forward, politicians do it all the time to undermine there opposing party when they should concentrating on getting the job at hand done, in this case its Disclosure. To many people focus on the negative aspects of a good cause.I can take any newspaper article and tear it to shreds with nit-picking criticism, something anyone can do. Most of us know and except that Disclosure will happen, but before that event takes place the idea will be attacked from all sides, but it will happen, that I can assure you.
Sincerely Peter

Originally posted by corsair00
All the people crying about money HAVE NOT EVEN WATCHED THE CITIZEN HEARING.

You may have missed it, but most of it (I even believe: all of it) was uploaded to YT on various channels. And taken down again - that was the OP's topic, after all - but many have downloaded it or saw large parts of it, I guess.

Therefore YOU HAVE NO IDEA what you are talking about.

You may be right, but that is not why I refuse to pay to see what I already know

I have been watching the hearing and I can tell you for an absolute fact that it is totally serious. All you need to do is watch Daniel Sheehan's testimony.

I guess you are refering to this Daniel Sheehan?
The guy that was the legal counsil to the first "disclosure" team, led by mr Greed^Hr? Well, did he tell ANYTHING new, anything that did not rely on hearsay?

That alone will convince you of the reality of this situation. I will try to upload that one.

Don't, it's illegal. I don't want to incriminate you.

Trust me, this is for real - this is not a scam for money. You are all extremely stubborn either way, but I am just telling you it's the real deal. If you were able to see it for yourself you would understand. But instead you keep whining like children about the fact that it costs 4 bucks to stream.

It's not the measly 4 bucks. It's who are at the receiving end. They already got a million from benefactors and I refuse to spent even another dime on these clowns - especially because we're now 10 days passed the event and nobody, NOBODY, has seen nor heard anything new. This is - again - yet anoter scam.

Not to mention that many of you absolutely DO NOT BELIEVE in much of the general premises of the disclosure movement to begin with, so you obviously have a conflict of interest from the get go. So, I say stop bullying and stop whining. If you haven't watched any of the hearings, then your opinions MEAN NOTHING.

Sure they do mean something. I may be wrong, that's right (duh) but my opinions are firmly based on the contents and results of the initial 'disclosure' event and the track record of most participants in the second. Nothing will happen - except these frauds will receive more money from the gullible.

Again, we're now almost 2 weeks passed the event. Nothing happened. No new facts came up. Those that SAW the streams report that it was a recap of old facts, known for decades, told by the same folks that always tell these stories.

Sheehan is yet another storyteller. He has not been abducted, he has not talked to any alien (except, perhaps, the occasional Mexican labourer). He does not even tell stories about that, he simply re-tells stuff he has heard from others - or so he says.

BTW: I'm on the fence w/regard to all of this, as a good fortean should be. If there ARE indeed aliens visiting us, I believe that they might well act like Charles Hall says they do: they come and to as they please, there is only a small fraction of the planets surface they like, they are not planning on an invasion, but are simply here as passers-by. Also they don't care much about us, treat us like we were cattle and simply do as they like. We can't stop them, they're vastly superiour to us. That's something I could understand and it more or less makes sense.

But aliens that drop down like flies from their tin-foil saucer - whilst on the other hand capable of traveling enormous distances in space (and/or time..) and materialise inside innocent victims rooms when and where they want - I don't buy it. Literally.

reply to post by ForteanOrg

Originally posted by ForteanOrg

Originally posted by corsair00
All the people crying about money HAVE NOT EVEN WATCHED THE CITIZEN HEARING. Therefore YOU HAVE NO IDEA what you are talking about.

You may be right, but that is not why I refuse to pay to see what I already know

So you make conclusions in the absence of evidence? Yet you have the temerity to say,

They literally sold it as truth - without a shred of evidence.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

It's good to know self-consistency, logic, and integrity are alive and well on ATS.

Originally posted by Xtraeme
So you make conclusions in the absence of evidence?

you've got it!

Originally posted by corsair00
All you need to do is watch Daniel Sheehan's testimony.

Holy crap! Is he wearing one of David Sereda's Galactic Transformer Harmonic Code Universal Balance Pendants?



They enable you to remote view, be telepathic and see into the future!

And they only cost $400.

Holy crap!

reply to post by FlyingTeacup

there is nothing new in this so called Citizens Hearing on Disclosure, NOTHING at all. The whole thing was a big smoozfest to make money and for ufology hot shots to stroke each other, network, make money and pat each other on the back for how brilliant they all think they all are.

Did you honestly think this was going to be anything DIFFERENT with those folks involved? If so, you are far more optimistic than I.

Originally posted by raiden12
reply to post by FlyingTeacup

 

Attacking the credibility of the messenger and not the message is one of the lowest forms of attack, perhaps you need to brush up on your Ad hominem?

en.wikipedia.org...

I'm sorry to burst your bubble on this one, but there is no argument here. These "hearings" are a publication, not an argument. Hence, an attack on the credibility of the presenters is well-founded.

Anyone can claim to be an expert and to have knowledge, but that does not make it so. There is much doubt to the veracity of the claims presented. Most of what I saw (I admit I didn't watch it all) was just people recounting what other people told them. This is not evidence that would be admitted in scientific research or in a court of law (at least not in any civilized countries).

There is no evidence presented. There was no data presented that would be scientifically valid, what so ever. And although I like to keep an open mind on this subject, I see nothing but frauds behind these publications.

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so sad. biggest story of mankind being hidden by the ones who want it unhidden. money makes the world go round

Just keep searching videos that was uploaded that day. If ur fast enough u can watch them before they are taking down

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I have always liked Basset until recent, and OP I have to agree with you on the most part. When I seen Greer up there I knew where this was going to go. The level of greed and profit seeking in these hearings sickens me and worries me at the same time. The hearings were the regurgitation of the same stories and accounts like a polished turd wrapped in a shiny fancy new box with a bow on it. We still have no idea who this alleged dying ex CIA guy is. The interview was chopped up, and when he would go in to detail about things the footage was edited out. He shows his face and says he wants to remain anonymous lol.

I certainly would not put my eggs all in the same basket for that guy

But to be fair I cant just assume because charlatans like Linda Moulton Howe have found whistle blowers that they are phony too. Guilt by association. We have to remain critical and treat every case just as every person the same without letting our being disgruntled with charlatans make us treat them with such disregard. Then we become them, it is a disservice. I still hold high respect for Stanton Friedman like I do Jacques Vallée & the late Dr. J. Allen Hynek. He may have made errors of judgement in the past but he has always meant well imho.To be realistic speaking at conferences and generating some money is normal and people should at least get a steak dinner for it. But at this level, 20,000 dollars is disgusting, In fact is absurd.


Information is FREE! Well at least it should be, hence the copyright on information makes the entire conference moot. Basset has lost my respect and support if this is all about a film and his ego. I did watch him in a recent interview and he did stroke his own pose and kept asserting himself when it came to his upcoming book. He had to constantly remind the viewer he had a book coming out and where to go to buy it in a self marketing ploy. These people should be humble but we just do not see that these days, there is no shame. You have Greer reaping large sums of cash from his several hundreds of dollar's per person CSETI ( alien ambassador) trips featuring a laser pointer light show & meditation. Then makes them sign a non disclosure statement. Yet has the audacity to preach about the monetary system and how money is the root of all evil ect


So why would i pay the $4.00 fee to watch hundreds of hours of the same stories and accounts from the same people I have heard from for the past few decades? I practically have their stories memorized. I don't have to turn on CSPAN and pay to watch paint dry, it's the principal of it. It is all the same, if I buy the DVD. These people are making a huge profit out of this that is a stark difference from being paid for the expenses and a dinner.


I can guarantee the new people, you wont be any closer to the truth in 10 or 20 years from the first day you delved in to the subject. Not with these people. You will be left scratching your head and a large library of literature more confused then you were from the beginning. Yes from my research UFO's and these beings are a reality but nobody knows what they are and where they come from. At least there is no proof what so ever that any of the people of the Citizens Hearing have it. Just a fascinating story like mine, Ive heard it all. Seems the lunatic fringe is what is left of the remnants of ufology

We are no closer to Disclosure then we were a month ago , while Steve Greer and Steve Basset lines thier pockets. Food for thought, don't trust a guy named Steve when looking for UFO's

So, OP, next time you write a song, produce a video or do anything else that takes mental ability, time and effort, we can expect you to post it for free on the internet and make it available to anyone, anywhere including sites that also post porn, etc?

And you won't mind your intellectual property being used by other people to make money, and cheating you out of your due?

Good to know. Get cracking and make something of value. We'll be all over it...

And by the way, the evening's 'extra' lectures were well worth the four bucks. Lots of stuff I'd never heard before, especially the Richard Dolan talk, I believe it was Tuesday night.

I'm sorry but paying to watch a "PUBLIC" hearing... narp.... not this week, next week or any other week.
Anyway we all know where the proceeds go Just take a look at that Howe Smile and as for Greer...who knows what he does with his slice
All I know is I don't need any Disclosure.... I know their real live living beings in our universe with cultures a lot more civilised than human beings . As for witholding tech.... Lets be real here, its the Oil Rich that are buying up the patents, paying off the inventors or killing them off....

Here's a word of advice for any would be Inventor/s.... Build more than one version of your invention/machine then take your machines apart and take out a patent on each and every part.... using trusted freinds or family, in different parts of the country or even better countries for each patent... And by the time they've found out there's a machine that will destroy their monopoly they won't be able to do a thing to stop it. It's an idea anyway....I digress....

Paying for Disclosure.....not likely, the truth never needed a price tag you just have to do two things...Decide whats real and most importantly... Deny Ignorance and the Disclosure project reeks of it. The Ignorance isn't with those willing to share their real stories and evidence, it's with those trying to hold it to ransom!

I am not a skeptic, I am a believer and I am a Contactee.

reply to post by fedeykin

Originally posted by fedeykin
There is no evidence presented. There was no data presented that would be scientifically valid, what so ever. And although I like to keep an open mind on this subject, I see nothing but frauds behind these publications.

There were plenty of speakers I think any reasonable person would have a hard time believing. However John Callahan, ex-FAA chief of accidents and investigations in the 80s, was in attendance and provided the deposition, below,



Mr. Callahan maintain he has the radar printouts from the 1986 JAL-1628 incident and that he's willing to provide copies to anyone with the training to check the radar plots. So while I understand it's tempting to lump the lot of them together. There are credible cases with real field data that deserve serious study. Painting them all with the same brush eliminates that possibility.

Originally posted by signalfire
So, OP, next time you write a song, produce a video or do anything else that takes mental ability, time and effort, we can expect you to post it for free on the internet and make it available to anyone, anywhere including sites that also post porn, etc?

And you won't mind your intellectual property being used by other people to make money, and cheating you out of your due?

Good to know. Get cracking and make something of value. We'll be all over it...

And by the way, the evening's 'extra' lectures were well worth the four bucks. Lots of stuff I'd never heard before, especially the Richard Dolan talk, I believe it was Tuesday night.

edit on 16-5-2013 by signalfire because: addendum

Disclosure isn't a pop song..... It started out as a vehicle for its namesake "Disclosure" now its all about the Benjamins as you Americans say. I feel sorry for those people that have signed up to speak hoping to release their truth for the world to hear...... instead they are flogging it like a whore... They make me PUKE

• It isn't a disclosure hearing if its not a real hearing.
• It isn't disclosure if you're not disclosing anything new.
• It isn't scientific if you are relaying inconsistent "he said", "she said"s without corroborating evidence.
• It isn't research if you're deliberately not looking for rational explanations and discounting the more plausible ones, and favoring unsupported and outrageous claims.
• It isn't credible when your witnesses lie about their credentials and state inaccuracies/falsehoods in their stories (Like saying you work for the NSA or CIA and not knowing the name of bases or where they are).

In conclusion, the hearings, the charlatans on the UFO speaking circuit, Greer and his cult followers...are nothing more than clowns and con men.

No doubt that its a vast universe were life is likely abundant....still no real proof though.

Don't know if anyone has posted this one, but the poster confirm he has not been asked to take it down.

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by WilliamOckham

In conclusion, the hearings, the charlatans on the UFO speaking circuit, Greer and his cult followers...are nothing more than clowns and con men.

Some people have a funny idea that the whole point of this circus was "disclosure"

The only reason for this was to make money for some people. That is all it was, a money making exercise.