When We're All Convicted Felons

reply to post by LadyofGlass


Couldn't of said it better myself!

Guns is the last concern for felons, and misdemeanors (they force signing of no guns to them as well)

The last poster, nailed it. The AGENDA is to lock up as many non worshipping of the State or the ones who didn't pass the Eugenists test into the prisons, jails, PO offices, etc., and give them the Scarlet Letter, the brand so to speak. They can never work because it's legal (except three states) to discriminate against them, so they can slowly starve to death, and of course be put back IN jail etc where they are targeted for slow death, if that. More and more it's not slow anymore, especially Elderly, Homeless, Women past child bearing age and disabled. Sound familiar? (NAZI Germany anyone???). They can't rents legal discrimination there...etc etc etc

Of Course it's so they won't vote. Keep the undesirables invisible and having ANY rights to life whatsoever,

And bleed them as much as possible, till they drop dead.

Not the Violent criminals mind you, h no there are Programs for them, but the non violent and Poor ones,

Off to the chambers for you.

That's Exactly what it is, but you see e masters have gotten very clever in disguising their death camps under a nice white polished Sterilized environment, and the public is unaware, or don't care. As for guns, Yes I do believe it's been one of the ways to yes, encroach into homes of the working poor and confiscate guns, oh sure no doubt,

But it's not JUST about guns, it's about the friendly fascists, not needing to be so friendly anymore. Now they moving us from the Ghetto

To the trains my dear...

And most, still say, "why they only want us to work a bit then we will be free"

Yep, free alright, like Breathe Deep free.

I believe it is an inherent problem built into the system.

The attorneys, the Judges and Courts, Police with all their special equipment, parole and probation officers, etc, all require fresh criminals to keep their salaries coming in. If everyone quit breaking laws (which there are so many, no one, not even lawyers know them all) the system would start to be unable to pay these people and we are talking about some of the most powerful people in the country. So, these lawyers, many of which become our Legislators, continue to make laws every session and it further causes obscure and unknown laws to be on the books that YOU are RESPONSIBLE for.

That saying, "Ignorance of the Law is no Excuse" is BS. Have you ever stepped into a law library? There is a reason lawyers specialize in certain aspects or areas of law. Even they are not able to know all the laws and only focus on their area of it.

The scary part is that now Private Corporations are getting in on both the Prisons and Law Enforcement. If that isn't the most dangerous development facing the average citizen, then I don't know what is.

It would be bad enough in a socialist society, but in a capitalist society where money is the objective of these powerful people, well, you can see the problem. Until we make crime non-profitable, then it will be big business. They do not want to see the SYSTEM go broke. I noticed something a long time ago. Our county sheriff replaced all the blue lights on their cars with the latest greatest in equipment. There was an article about how much it cost. The following month the police rolled out and arrested everyone for the most insignificant crimes. It was all about the fines. You went to court and were fined and adjudication withheld. At least for the minor stuff. Like spitting on the sidewalk. My friend got arrested for spitting in a bush leaving a restaurant.

When you look at DHS, and the militarization of the local, county, and state police, you will see that it requires a lot of money. Get ready to pay your share because there are a lot of mouths to feed operating in our legal and law enforcement system.

reply to post by qualm91


I can see what you are saying but, I don't plan on becoming a felon as I don't break any laws.
I understand if I mess up, the whole house of cards could come crashing down.
From here all I have to do is live off of my retirement, meet my future grandkids and raise my puppies.
I can't see a felony rap in there anywhere.
Just what did your boyfriend do to get a felony if you don't mind?

Sorry to hear about your boyfriends trouble. Sometimes we get wrapped up in bad situations. The judge may be right about not being able to get the conviction expunged. In my state of Texas, felonies can not be expunged. You can however after a period of time get an order of non disclosure. It may all depend on the type of offence.

I've been trying for a while to see if I am even considered a "convicted" felon. You see I was charged in a 1st degree felony drug case and plead guilty to receive deferred adjudication. I completed my sentence early and the judge didn't technically find me guilty. My probation officer nor my attorney could give me a straight answer on if I could own a firearm and I can't find a good answer online either. I guess I'll just go to a gun shop and try to buy one.

Anyways good luck to the both of you and you may want to check about that order of non disclosure.

reply to post by EzekielsWheel

I am not a felon but I disagree that people who have gone through the criminal justice system, be deprived of their RIGHT to own a firearm.

"...the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

It doesnt say only if youve never been convicted of committing a crime.

Look up the Innocence Project. Being convicted doesnt mean much in our terribly flawed system.

Ron Paul, Ayn Rand, Rothbard, Hayek, Von Mises, JBS, speak about these concepts, over taxed, over regulated, more rules, more regulations, laws laws laws.

At some point, there will be so many laws, that crossing the street will be a crime.

Oh wait, Officer Apprehends a Perpetrator. The Charge Is Jaywalking.

Originally posted by caladonea
reply to post by qualm91

 

So....I am understanding that the majority of your thread is quotes from ( Jeff Riley, Buckeye Firearms Association Southwest Ohio volunteer)...is this correct?

Please provide links for your sources of information...thank you!

edit on 12-5-2013 by caladonea because: edit

thank you for repeating what the mod said in the initial op - we're all wannabes

reply to post by qualm91

June 2012 (The Sentencing Project) Felony Disenfranchisement Laws in The United States Overview of felony disenfranchisement policy and implications, includes state-by-state table illustrating the categories of persons disenfranchised due to a felony conviction. 3 pages

www.sentencingproject.org...

i was convicted back in 1985 for possession of a "residue" of coc aine - a non-measurable amount and was sentenced to 5 serve 2 - the intake guard asked "what are you doing here?" - women were not sent to prison except for murder, armed robbery, kidnapping, those kinds of crimes -

i'm gathering information concerning this very subject - thanks for the information - S&F

I am a convicted felon due to my drug addiction to prescription drugs. It started out taking vicodines for tooth pain which was prescribed to me and due to my addictive nature, I became addicted rather quickly... Mainly due to alleviating the sickness associated with prescription drugs. My crime was theft or larceny in a building. I do take blame for my addictive behavior however I also blame the government for making these types of drugs so freely accessible. Also due to me not having any money to hire an attorney, I was left with no other option than a public defender who did next to nothing to help me get the case dropped down to a misdemeanor.

I did 90 days in a halfway house and completed my felony probation. And now because of a theft, a non violent crime, I cannot legally own a firearm. This is an absurdity in my opinion. I am still battling addiction however I am now and have been for 4 years been taking Suboxone to help me along path to recovery.

I really feel for you and your boyfriend. My younger brother got into some trouble in his early 20's and he is still feeling the repercussions. Everyone makes mistakes, hopefully we learn, mature, and move on.

You're right though the "system" won't let you. Our nanny state has decided that 1 strike if it falls above a certain margin, and you're out. Forever. That margin is far lower than most people realize. 90% of us have done something dumb that can be construed as a felony on some law book somewhere. If you think you haven't, go read a law book, and cringe.

My advice is to get a really good lawyer now, and keep him on retainer. My little bro could have saved himself years of pain with some early legal advice instead of trusting the county courts. He took deferred adjudication. Then 3 months before it all went away, and he had rebuilt his life, family, and finances, they opened it all back up. It was pay big bucks again or go to jail. This was years later. Then they did it again. Big bucks or jail time.

Finally he hired a lawyer. Yes it was expensive, but he got the dogs back on their leash. They also humiliate you. My bro's original offense years ago was a DUI it was considered a felony because of exacerbating circumstances even though it was his 1st offense at 22 years old. Years later he is a substance abuse counselor. They show up at his work barking out his name and offense like it was yesterday that it happened. TWICE they did this mere months or weeks before the adjudication period was to expire. He was making the county too much money to put in jail. They weren't about to let their gravy train go either. He had to jump through a lot of hoops, and pay the lawyer extra money, and do community service, but he finally got a new hearing from a new judge, and they lowered it to a misdemeanor, and dropped it for time served. He could have done this years ago, but didn't know until he got good legal counsel.

The court is not your friend. They are a state sanctioned extortion racket. Lawyer up, and fight now, or you are probably in for a long nasty expensive ride, and you have to protect your future.

Restricting ownership of firearms has never hindered a serious and violent felon from acquiring them, but it adds another charge to the indictment if ever another arrest takes place.

People want a police state. That's why police states exist. It's part of a deep seated desire in the minds of men to pass the buck, to avoid responsibility, to pay someone else to do the dirty work, to rely on authority. Authorities have convinced ordinary people that they are worthy of trust. People love a slick liar. They will elevate a slick liar and throw down a messenger of truth every time. Truth is the last thing on earth anyone wants to hear and even then they want to hear it along with a pat on the head from a loving God who forgives them for being class A swine before he lets them through the Pearly Gates.

People are disgusting. They have no tolerance. They have no culture. They have no empathy. They have no humanity. They are desperate to insulate themselves from reality. Not everybody of course, but just enough to ensure that America is going to have a fascist police state in its future.

The ideal situation in a fascist police state is to make all activity a crime and then to "privatize" it by charging money for a "licence" to perform any given activity. All politics and even all social interaction then becomes subsumed under the statutes of criminal law.

It's how a modern industrial state is turned into a tribe in the jungle with all power in the hands of a "headman".

I give you the future President of the United States, Wayne Stalin of the New Republicratic Party.

Well that sucks. Did he not pay a traffic ticket? It wouldn't make any sense to allow bank robbers the right to bare arms yunno?

Thank you guys for your kind words and your opinions. To answer a question that you posed for me: My boyfriend and I were both initially charged with the same thing. It is a hard story for me to tell because it is very personal but you guys have shown me love on this thread so I will share it with you.

I had been a drug addict for years. I am only 22 years old now but I had been addicted to pain pills since I was 14. Whenever I met my boyfriend, I was trying to get off of the pain pills but (as anyone who has been addicted to them will know, I saw at least one person on this thread who said they were) the physical pain from pain pill withdraw is absolutely unbearable. It truly is some of the worst pain I've ever felt in my life, not to mention the mental craving. I had never done meth through my entire life but one night I was with my boyfriend at our friend's house. Our friend did meth and I was in a lot of pain from withdraws so I tried it. A couple of weeks later we drove up to West Virginia to visit my mother for Christmas. We were in town for 2 days before we decided to cook a batch of meth. We were arrested that very night.

Now, I realize that meth is a terrible, terrible drug. And I hate to think where I would be right now if I HADN'T of gotten arrested that night. Thanks to that arrest, my boyfriend and I have been sober for almost 2 years, which I never thought I would accomplish.

However, I would like to reiterate that I was, in fact, a "victim" of sorts. Yes, I chose to get started in drugs, but once I started, I literally felt that I could not stop. After I was convicted, (I got misdemeanor possession when everything was said and done) everything changed for me. That's when I truly started realizing how backwards this country really is when it comes to how they treat us.

I got accepted to college, I was going to study Physics, and about a week after I was accepted I got an email that said I could not receive ANY financial aid until a year after my conviction. Now, here's the kicker, it is STRICTLY for drug convictions, felony or misdemeanor. If I had performed armed robbery, assault, any number of other crimes, I still could have received financial aid, but not since I had a drug charge.

I also have been applying to many jobs. I have to show proof to my probation officer that I am applying so I have to copy all of my applications. This is why I HAVE to put down that I have been convicted of a drug crime on all of them. No where has called me back and when I call them they say they aren't hiring (when there are "We're Hiring!" signs in front of their buildings). One guy in particular called me (there was no "have you been convicted of a crime" question on his application) and was talking to me like he was about to tell me to come in right then and get to work. Then he asked, "And have you ever been convicted of a drug crime?" I answered honestly and all of the sudden he started stumbling over his words and said to me, "I'm sorry, we're not hiring."

This is harsh, and cruel. This gives people self-confidence issues and it certainly hinders them from bettering their lives. And this is just my story, imagine how many others have worse ones to share. I am sickened by how we are treated in this country. My boyfriend was in jail with a man who was facing a lesser sentence for rape than he was for drugs. This is too backwards and we need to make more people aware of it.

And I just received something today to add to this story! I just got a letter in the mail that says I have been turned down for health insurance, by 3 different companies. The letters state that I was turned down because of "Substance Abuse". I suppose that in the eyes of the "officials" in this country, once you are a drug addict, you are absolutely below their help.

Originally posted by burnett662
Sorry to hear about your boyfriends trouble. Sometimes we get wrapped up in bad situations. The judge may be right about not being able to get the conviction expunged. In my state of Texas, felonies can not be expunged. You can however after a period of time get an order of non disclosure. It may all depend on the type of offence.

I've been trying for a while to see if I am even considered a "convicted" felon. You see I was charged in a 1st degree felony drug case and plead guilty to receive deferred adjudication. I completed my sentence early and the judge didn't technically find me guilty. My probation officer nor my attorney could give me a straight answer on if I could own a firearm and I can't find a good answer online either. I guess I'll just go to a gun shop and try to buy one.

Anyways good luck to the both of you and you may want to check about that order of non disclosure.

And in answer to this, I cannot. It was a stipulation in the plea agreement that I signed that this will remain on my record indefinitely. They told me that if I did not sign this particular plea agreement that they would bring my case to trial and charge me with the three felonies that I was originally facing so they left me with no other choice in the matter. Thank you for your wish of luck, though. I truly appreciate the support that I have gotten on this thread. I was not expecting it.

reply to post by qualm91


What a sad story; Not preaching for it is true people can be caught in situations they never dreamed possible until it happens to them..

I always told my kids that in my experience nothing good came from drugs. It worked because I had pictures of guys I had played in bands with that showed the before, after, and in some cases deaths or funerals of the guys.

I am personally glad to hear you are clean now and I can only imagine your frustration at wanting to move on and be a productive member of society; to have a better life. Hopefully something will break for you so your dreams and aspirations can become unglued from the mess you find yourself in..
There are many things about the legal system brought up in this thread than should be looked at and reevaluated IMO....problem is I don't see anyone trying to do something to change the B.S. and keep the good.

reply to post by 727Sky


Unfortunately, I don't see it changing any time soon, either. We have, in fact, all become sheep being led by our herder. I think more and more people realize the injustice and crookedness of the system every day, but it's all they've ever known and they feel they cannot do anything about it, so they don't try. I am, I hate to admit it, one of these people. I see it, and I hate it, and I talk about it, but I don't truly do anything about it because I feel incapable of doing so. Which, in truth, I am incapable. It would take a full blown revolution to change anything.

Thank you for your good wishes. It is very frustrating once you find yourself in a situation like mine and my boyfriend's. That is when the truth really comes out about the fact that rights are simply privileges, and can be taken away very, very easily. They say I am the criminal? They are the true culprits.

anything can make you a felon these days

It has been awhile since I have applied for a job. I am a Real Estate agent now which you can't have any felony convictions.

But, what caught my eye was that you said the employer asked, "Have you ever been convicted of a drug crime?"
Is that something new on applications? I have seen the following questions on applications before:

Have you ever been arrested?
Have you ever been convicted of a felony?

But not a drug crime. That would indicate even a misdemeanor simple possession charge would make you ineligible for many companies. Have people been seeing that lately? We had our local city, Jacksonville, back a year or two ago get the Sheriff's office, dept of corrections, and other stake holders together in a meeting trying to find a way to correct these issue because of it causing a high rate of recidivism amongst people recently released. I have said it for a long time that many of the people continue to commit crimes because they can't get a job once they have a conviction.

Now, the conspiracy starts here in that since they know this, is that what they want so that they keep their SYSTEM funded through monies received from the state and federal government to house prisoners, lawyers to defend and prosecute them, etc. etc. like I mentioned before. If they wanted people released to become tax paying citizens that can afford to live like non-offenders, then making arrest and conviction records for certain crimes, such as drug crimes, not public information, would go a long way in correcting this issue.

Sure, certain violent crimes I would want to be known so you don't end up working with a rapist or murder. But, the average drug crime is a possession charge and even having a single prescription pill not in the bottle being a felony in the state of Florida, will ruin a persons chance at gainful employment.

What is a person like this supposed to do? That is why I feel like they are making it a self fulfilling prophecy that recidivism rates are so high in the US as are incarceration rates. As a matter of fact, the US has the highest or next to the highest number of citizens behind bars in the world. Even China and Russia have less that the US if numbers are still where they were a few years ago. That is a sad statement for a supposedly fair and free society.

reply to post by qualm91


My boyfriend has recently become a felon

How proud you must be! And your parents too, they must be thrilled.

reply to post by karen61560


To answer your quite condescending statement, no, my parents were not proud. But since the trouble we encountered we have turned our lives around and are doing very well. I am very proud of my boyfriend because he fought through his troubles and came out better, my parents are also proud, of both of us. Thank you for your input.