My last thread... Secret of life: unconditional love for all of existence

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Originally posted by smithjustinb
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

There is someone doing it. It is you. Not the individual you knew yourself to be prior to realization, but your godself. You are doing it all. So as an individual, you can interpret your role as an individualized perceiver in two ways. The ways I mentioned already.

No one is doing it. There is only this present happening. The 'individual' is the seeking that seeks wholeness - but it is wholeness seeking - it has hidden itself from itself. It is the game, it is the cosmic joke. Wholeness (oneness) is seeing - can the seeing that is happening presently be done? Does seeing have to be done or is it just happening? There is hearing happening - does hearing have to be done?

When you realize you are the creator, you have to decide whether or not that means the individualized mind is the creator or all is one creator. Is there one god or many gods? That is the difference between the two perceptual approaches. Is the individualized mind the creator, or is it the creation?

I am not the creator - there has never been any thing created. The mind is an appearance, if it has never stopped where you are then you might not realize that the speaking mind with it's ideas about who I am comes and goes. Listen to the mind, be aware of what it is telling you about you and see if you can actually find who the words are speaking about.

The way I see it, creation and creator are one. Dont hypocritically say, "there is no two" either. You yourself just mentioned that the individual is an idea,and I agree. It is an idea, a creation. But the idea also creates. It is one with the creator.

The father and son are one. The image that is appearing presently and the seeing of it are one.

There is a moment of separation where the one energy (which is all that is - nothing/everything) contracts and then it feels uncomfortable - the one energy then 'seeks' to escape the feeling. Then it continues to seek but it seeks outside itself because it dislikes the feeling that it is feeling so seeks in other things, pursuit etc. trying anything to get away from that feeling, anything to relieve itself. The trouble is all the time it seeks elsewhere, in things and in time it will not find. The mind will try and solve the bad feeling with ideas and schemes and the mind is trusted to solve the seeming problem of life.

Did you watch the video?

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by smithjustinb

 

Originally posted by smithjustinb
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

There is someone doing it. It is you. Not the individual you knew yourself to be prior to realization, but your godself. You are doing it all. So as an individual, you can interpret your role as an individualized perceiver in two ways. The ways I mentioned already.

No one is doing it. There is only this present happening. The 'individual' is the seeking that seeks wholeness - but it is wholeness seeking - it has hidden itself from itself. It is the game, it is the cosmic joke. Wholeness (oneness) is seeing - can the seeing that is happening presently be done? Does seeing have to be done or is it just happening? There is hearing happening - does hearing have to be done?

Yeah, it does. See, the human body is made up of billions of other individualized organisms who are pre-programmed to carry out a specific function. They work full time to ensure that you can hear, see, smell, touch, and taste. While you do not consciously participate in these functions, and apparently any other individualized function, doesnt mean nothing else is. So yeah, it is definitely all being done through effort.

As you say, wholeness is seeking. Its not a joke though. Its seeking because knowledge creates a picture of itself. It knows that it is, bur not what it is, so it seeks. Its not joking, its serious.

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Can you right now stop hearing? You would have to do something to stop hearing - like putting ear plugs in. Hearing is happening without you consciously doing anything.
Hearing is happening. Seeing is happening - you are not doing it.

reply to post by Itisnowagain


My cells are doing it. Aaaaand I am my cells. So yeah

This whole thread is mumbo jumbo, sorry to say. It's mumbo jumbo because until you have evidence for something that's tangible then nobody can confirm or deny it.

Here's the scoop...

Either creatures came into existence on earth or they were placed here or a mix of both.

But...

We're creatures on earth surrounded by other creatures, great and small.

There're creatures everywhere on earth, of all kinds, with differing inter-creature relationships.

We're not sure if there're non-earth creatures yet.

We live and we die.

Things change and we change.

There's a lot in the universe we do not understand.

It's easy to be wrong.

The end.

I'm not saying I'm necessarily right. I'm just saying that without a means to confirm or deny then anything we say is completely subjective. May as well just exist inside our head without a means.

Since 90% of people believe in god then there's evidence at least that there's belief in god, but this doesn't mean god actually exists. It just means faith in a god is popular.

I get tired of science too and sometimes drift away from it, but anyway. I don't know why I have to be critical. Ultimately, I don't hate anybody. I think we're just a lot of confused creatures.

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There has always been those who are confused

and those who have sat still long enough for any form of confusion to fall away

that which is true, has to be experienced

awareness will always be

the nature of mind is a science, and it has been accurately described and cataloged by many schools of thought throughout the ages

western science is now beginning to grasp what they call the 'extended mind'

its all cycles, we forget, we remember, we forge forward, we forget, we topple over old assumptions, we learn again, and so on and so forth

only a fool reduces what he does not know into impossibility

immortality and infinite possibility lie at the heart of liberation

but who am I? to you, Im just some random on an internet forum, I might as well be some mad man on a street corner claiming to be God

does it matter that you understand? no, not really, all is as it is and it is all just fine as it is now

and if all this knowledge is forgotten, it will spring up again, because it is tied to the nature of reality

you WILL die, I WILL die

all WILL die

yet, awareness remains, without it, there would be nothing to connect the interdependent space of all things, and hold it in place for every moment to pass through with consistency

whether you wish to give thought to it or not

Originally posted by jonnywhite
This whole thread is mumbo jumbo, sorry to say. It's mumbo jumbo because until you have evidence for something that's tangible then nobody can confirm or deny it.

Can awareness be doubted?
Are you aware of these words that are being read? The words may be doubted - but can you say that there is no awareness of them?