Eastern State Penn Ghost Video

Originally posted by RR
Ok now watch it again and notice that there is never an actual "turn" made which may indicate that, if it is in fact a fake, the person under the cloak was walking backward toward the camera then sprinting back away from the camera.

This would be a reasonable way to fake what was seen in the video. They covered an attempt to recreate what was on the video in a follow up visit. But they kept trying to turn around, and had vision problems. Walking in backwards, would allow for full vision as well as recreate the "no turn around".

If the footage is in fact fake then the big question becomes who faked it, the TAPS team leader states that everyone was outside eating when the footage was taken except for the team member who first found it on the tape, the same team member who earlier in the show had been chastised by the team leader for running away from something in the prison that had startled him. If this is the case and a team member did in fact fake it then of course TAPS would loose all credibility and would probably be unable to recover from such a thing.

I don't sit glued to the TV while the show is on, so I don't know who is who. But, would this be the same one that was sitting in the chair on the previous episode doing EVP before the chair moved?

Originally posted by Raphael_UO
I don't sit glued to the TV while the show is on, so I don't know who is who. But, would this be the same one that was sitting in the chair on the previous episode doing EVP before the chair moved?

No that was co-founder of TAPS Grant Wilson who was sitting in the chair right before it moved. The team member in question here is Brian Harnois, the one who founder Jason Hawes makes the bet with at the lighthouse and the one who runs away from the "shadow" and is berated for it by Grant and Jason in the cloak guy episode.

I don't think it so much looks like somebody walking backwards towards the camera then running away, but more like it's a video of somebody running away from the camera, and they play it in reverse first. Although, the snow doesn't really look like it's reversing direction to support this, so *shrug*, who knows. It's creepy, regardless.

Why does everything have to look--instantly--like a hoax these days?

This implies there is nothing in the marketplace but lies and deceit.

Has nobody got any credibility left? Does anybody tell the truth?

[These are purely rhetorical questions.]

Chai

If you freeze it you can see a while "leg + foot" behind the cloak/cape.

Now that doesnt say its fake, for those who are optimists, and it begs the question: why would a hoaxer wear white under the cloak? To be "ghostly"? Naw, if you are gonna hoax you make sure you leave nothing to doubt, as much as possible.

Its an interesting vid. The fact that you cant make it out that well makes your imagination work. And that's where the real scare factory is.

im new here but not to eastren state i have been in the uilding for over 100 hours this year alone.
i can tell you that cell block 12 on the second floor has halways of about 2.5 feet wide and at night its black as black you cant see. this cam is night vision.
so if this were to be a hoax it would have to be some one who can wee in the dark. and be able to run crouched down and a good pace in the dead of midnight black.
i cant say wither way because i was not there that night and wmv is crappy. if i were to be able to get an uncompressed clip i would be able to see more.
i have felt very odd in cell block 12. it is a place i dont feel that comfortable in.
ironicly it is the first cell block in the terror behinde the wall haunted house. but when taps was there they had not begun work on it. I also dont think any of the people at esp a non profit historical site would fake this. now MTV when fear was there i think they faked some things along with making things up.

im going to be up at the penn soon ill talk with the staff and see what they think.

The last bit, where it is the clearest, it seems the tape is in reverse. Is that so? And in the second part, I believe I could see the top of the hood, it seemed to be leaning to the left going towards the camera and the upon its sprint away it seemed to be leaning to the right infering a turn around. It also seemed to me that the white cloth to the left had already moved slightly which would mean that there was already wind along with the fact that there is already much dust still flying around in the air.

This is my first time dissecting a video and I may be wrong on my obersvations but I thought I would post them anyway.

I guess I don't understand.....are these 3 different clips of the same ghost? they're all at different distances away. One far away, one a little closer, then far away again. Unless the ghosts' is doing nothing but hanging out and running back and forth along that piece of walkway, i don't see how it would be so gracious as to give you that many opportunities to film it. Usually they just appear, then their gone. No second chances.

The other thought I had is that if they altered the film to show you 3 different views of the ghost, they propably could have altered it's speed.
So, if someone had just waled the path and they increased the film speed, couldn't this account for the akwardness of movement. If you slowed the film down,looks to me like it would be someone just walking the path.

just my observations

Originally posted by blend56
I guess I don't understand.....are these 3 different clips of the same ghost?

I think its just one clip, zoomed, and played again.

Thanks

It still looks as though it was filmed at normal speed and then the tape speed was increased. Just doesn't seem to be real. No expert though.

I'll agree with you blend56, It also seems as though the second clips speed is different than the first. It does seem like it was speed up in the second one compared to the first. Also I think Brian, the guy who might of had a chance to fake this, isn't to bright. I think it's real just because when slowed down, the entity turns to fast, not in synch with the speed if it was sped up. Not to mention they had to of pretty short and doing all of this while in complete darkness.

Who knows, i've been fooled before

I watched it on TV as well and will have to say the first time I saw the video it looked like a person with light colored pants wearing a cape or cloak. When they went to recreate it, the TAPS guy said he couldn't move fast enough to simulate it. Thats because he's garbage and was scared to move any faster. Though the prison may be haunted, that wasn't the ghost. It most likely was someone who worked there playing a practical joke.

you say the ghost as if there is only one soul remaning in eastern state.
the idea of a practical joke is not all that off base but as some one who has been in that very spot and in total darkness. i am talking about cant see your and infrnot of your face darkness. and having a uneven walkway that is no more than 2.5 feet wide and running as breakneck speed while crouched down is about 95% impossible. even for someone who would spend a great deal of time on location such as a worker this feat would be very great.

test this theroy at home if you have a hallway you can get totaly dark. place a night shot cam at one end get a black sheet and make it look exactly like this clip. no more than 4 feet tall (so you have to basicly bend half way over. if it can be replicated then it can be disproven but i dont think it fits. eastern has no need to use it as a marketing ploy for terror behinde the wall. they sell tickets on tickemaster and sell out 3 nights a week in october. also not a good marketing ploy becuase the episode aired 3 days after tbtw closed for the season.

i have to say im not sure what it is a ghost im wishful but not diving in head first. someone with a sheet or cape i dont think its possible to do that .

Originally posted by RR

The following was taken from the TAPS website regarding the video:


Here are some things to consider when watching this. While it does look like someone in a cape, the figure moves with great speed and does not turn to go back down the hallway, also it doesn't bob up and down & it would have to be about 4 feet tall. If someone was messing with us they would have had to have hidden in there all day, and known where all the cameras were and know when to stop right outside of the field of vision of the DVR camera. Everyone who was there that night was out eating dinner together when this footage was captured.

I DL the video - was it compressed btw? it is really bad quality - and opened it in Windows Movie Maker, slowed it down and increased the brightness.

I then stepped into the movie and took some snapshots that I loaded up in Paintshop pro to try to enhance the details. I did some edge findings etc. but it all looks basically as sh*t anyway... (!)

I don't know if I succeeded with the low quality to begin with, but I would say that whatever it is on that walkway it do seems to turn around.

Here is a snapshot 18.47 seconds into the movie:



Here is a snapshot 18.60 seconds into the movie. ie 13 ms after the picture above




Here is a snapshot 18.73 seconds into the movie. ie 13 ms after the picture above




To me it seems that whatever it is on the walkway it turns clockwise and the white "speck" should be the left hand on whatever it is out there.

When I slowed the movie down, I thought I could see the turn, but the more I looked, the more it got blurred...the quality of the movie isn't the best as I said.

Here is the movie that I slowed down and increased the brightness:


bipedfilm.is-a-geek.com...

Oh, and the snow or whatever it is? It do streams up on certain frames but this could be just the wind playing with it.

I would think this is a hoax, but what do I know?

// k

EDIT: Thanks to Jonnyquest45 for hosting the pictures and edited movie.

[edit on 14-11-2004 by kickass]

send them to me at
[email protected]
and ill put them on my web site.

and to answer your question yes it is compressed. uncompressed video would be huge files.

i have emailed them requesting uncompressed but have not heard back yet.

here are some refrence images of cell block 12 so you can see it in full light.
bipedfilm.is-a-geek.com...

bipedfilm.is-a-geek.com...
bipedfilm.is-a-geek.com...

my god im moving twards a fake now!

I keep seeing references to the difficulty in running "hunched over". A person of short stature would be running straight up, and have no problems. Also, the mechanics of the left leg kicking out of the cloak look awful solid to me. I know spirits are supposed to be able to take corporeal form, but that looks like a person running to me.

My biggest source of skepticism about this show is that the team is remarkably good at getting phenomena on tape regularly.
What gets better ratings?
1.A bunch of guys running around in the dark and finding nothing.
2.A bunch of guys running around in the dark finding paranormal phenomena.


[edit on 11/26/2004 by eaglewingz]

[edit on 11/26/2004 by eaglewingz]

Why would an staged hoax leave such a huge flaw in the story? The flaw being the white pants leg as seen when the person turns around.

Ok lets take a look at this. You had one shot to pull off being a ghostly entity in the camera lens of a security camera. So you decide to wear a dark, black cape...and white pants? Was the desire to wear Khaki pants so strong that you would risk blowing the entire operation?

It just seems like such an obvious flaw that I'm starting to believe that this footage is real. Where in the ghost handbook does it say ghost can't wear khakis? You can be deceased and have bad taste at the same time.

To things at the moment I am waiting for the slow mo version to load so I will edit.

sorry for the long time but this is my edit it looks a bit fake to me. it still could be real but it is now within editing ability

second when does this show come on I want to see it I have the sci fi chanel but when is it on thanks.

[edit on 28-11-2004 by elemtalsage]