'Appalling irresponsibility': Senior scientists attack Chinese researchers for creating new strain

Never thought about a Zombie/Virus apocalypse beginning anywhere other then America.
One that begins in China? Sounds a little better. At least we'd be able to fortify and quarantine North America in preparation. Also we'd have an idea of what we're dealing with as we observe from a safe distance.

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thanks need to work on that

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Lol. Not a problem, bro. It's not your fault. I've noticed that lately, posting links with the (text to be shown) as the same URL to the story causes them to misdirect.

(NOTE TO MODS: You might wanna get on that.)

But to answer your question... The biggest worry is for the virus to become fully adaptable to human hosts. And if scientists keep screwing around in the lab, making all these changes to an already deadly strain... that's exactly what we're going to see happen.

this is why humanity makes me sick to my stomach. Basically a bunch of animals who have forgotten about soul and heart.

perhaps the theory that majority of humans have no soul and are autotomotans(Sp?) is correct

Typical Chinese- copy everything but understand nothing.

(...12 Monkeys)

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I don't think this is a "Vet" lab so to speak, more realistic that this is in fact a Gvt funded research lab.

Vet labs (even university vet labs), would not have the facilities to work with this type of virus as you would need a maximum containment P3 of P4* laboratory with strict measures of bio-confinement to work with even such viruses as influenza, and that, my dear friend, costs humongous amounts of money.

I am not on my usual computer so please excuse if i cannot embed a YT video (otherwise i crash) but please visit links :

www.labmanager.com.../articleNo/1153/title/Biosafety-Levels-1--2--3---4/

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEB123Z2BdI

* = Highest level of security

Kindest respects

Rodinus

Originally posted by Blaine91555

As much as I like a good Walking Dead People movie, I don't think we will ever see real Zombies.

I don't know about that. Just think about what the Russians tried to do, back in the day. How about Josef Mengele ?

Anything is possible. Hoping that that type of crap stays in the movie theater.

Originally posted by Covertblack

No, no, they are announcing it so when it "accidently" escapes the lab and kills millions/billions, they can say whoops but we did everything we could to contain it.

Covertblack, looks like they didn't do a very good job at Boston's Bio-Weapon testing lab -here's Jonathan King (Professor of Molecular Biology at MIT) discussing an outbreak of biological weapons agent in the city and it looks like it's not the first time officials have attempted to cover things up.

Don't count on the US Centers for Disease Control (CDC) to tell the public about biological weapons accidents. CDC's refusal to divulge information about the Boston University tularemia incidents will come as cold comfort for the tens of millions in the US who live close to (proposed) biological weapons labs..

Boston, Biological Weapons and the New Arms Race.

And the difference between Chinese scientists and American scientists creating biological 'weapons' or strains of viruses is what?
BOTH are wrong end of.

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Wow, wasn't last week's episode of Bones something like this? Some guy create some new horrible strain of virus, creates the antidote, releases the infection on the world, so that he can make all kinds of money on it, when his company is the the only one, which is able to save the world with this life saving vaccine.

Sheesh... When will they ever learn. Oh, even worse, what if things don't go as originally planned. You know the swat team comes in, wipes out evil genius, not knowing he has an antidote, and the world goes on to complete and utter annihilation...

Something you guys are overlooking, and jumping into doom porn.

1) This can happen in nature, both virus are well connected in nature, it is a matter of one get in contact with others. For example, someone who got bird flu is already a walking melting pot for both virus.

2) We don;t know if Bird flu will acquire the gene from the Human Flu to get access to the Human to Human transition. it might as well get genes like how to make Protein X rather.

3) Purposely mixing them is dumb as fudge.

Originally posted by 727Sky
Who knows what goes on in some lab located in some secret part of the world?

Some of this stuff is like a kid taking a machine apart to see how it works hoping they can put it back together again. Man I hated when halves were pulled apart and springs shot out in all directions!

If nature doesn't do the culling then we may do it to ourselves.

The sobering part of this remark is that we ARE a very real part of nature.

Although we're looking more like the nasty viral infection type of nature without which all the other nature could happily thrive. No wonder people confuse The Matrix for prophecy.

Originally posted by StarsInDust
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Wow, wasn't last week's episode of Bones something like this? Some guy create some new horrible strain of virus, creates the antidote, releases the infection on the world, so that he can make all kinds of money on it, when his company is the the only one, which is able to save the world with this life saving vaccine.

Sheesh... When will they ever learn. Oh, even worse, what if things don't go as originally planned. You know the swat team comes in, wipes out evil genius, not knowing he has an antidote, and the world goes on to complete and utter annihilation...

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May i suggest to you that you watch a little less TV?

Reality is not as you see it on the screen!

Kindest respects

Rodinus

I find this outcry totally ridiculous. Certainly, these viruses should not be deliberately combined, but for British scientists, or for that matter any western association of experts, to complain is utterly hypocritical! For decades British and American research into viral warfare, pathogens, and the like, has out stripped and out terrified the entire bloody planet, and that has only been when the rare security lapses that have allowed us to peek behind the biohazard curtain, have occurred. Most of the time we have no idea precisely what is being created and where because these things fall under the aegis of national security, about which the common man supposedly has no right to be informed.

Pot, kettle, black.

don't they have anything better to do them so called "scientists" ???
they are criminals, right out, of the worst category.
as we would not already have enough plagues on this planet.

I remember the outbreak of mixomatose, a "strain" created in labs to eliminate an animal considered a pest:
rabbits in australia.
how dumb can mankind be to do something like that.
of course the "strain" migrated somehow to europe.
I had some vast rural property in france, I rembember those poor rabbits walking around half blind having their eyes pecked out by crows, until they miserably died of starvation or under some car. and with mixomatose they could not be hunted and eaten anymore.
and they spread the disease also to domestic animals.
how can you try to eliminate rabbits ?
dumb dumber dumbest
and it goes on and on
this planet is a criminal asylum.

FYI - It's not just the Chinese doing it. Once China shipped their live samples, everyone everywhere got on it. The big controversy involves "lack of sharing credit and data" - again. Again, the CDC's commercial partnerships, this time with Novartis and the J. Craig Venter lab, are shutting out the country that shared the samples.

Scientists Create Hybrid, Air-Transmissible Bird Flu Strains

Following a moratorium on "dangerous" flu research, new studies reshuffle the molecular mechanisms that allow bird flu to infect humans.

...The journal Science is publishing two papers today that describe the mechanisms avian flu viruses could use to alter their structure and spread among mammals, including humans. One of the papers studied guinea pigs, which are not necessarily the best way to study the human response to flu—but studies on ferrets, which are a good proxy for people, were halted by a year-long moratorium. That hiatus recently ended, so more papers in this vein are likely to follow.

Silent spread

…H7N9 is “definitely one of the most lethal influenza viruses we have seen so far.” …A May 1 paper in The Lancet clearly brings out the complexity of H7N9’s origin. According to the study, the virus has originated from “multiple reassortment events” and might have evolved from “at least four origins” involving migratory birds and poultry, and has evolved to at least “two different lineages.”

…According to Nature, Novartis in Basel and the J. Craig Venter Institute in Rockville, Maryland planned to use the data to make H7N9 vaccines but without informing or involving the Chinese team. Though the issue seems to have been ironed out, the episode brings back memories of what Thailand faced following the H5N1 outbreak. In 2007, the country refused to share samples after an Australian drug company developed a vaccine using the Indonesian strain but without their knowledge or consent. This episode confirms that GISAID, launched in 2008 to bring in more transparency and engagement, is struggling to fully deliver on its promise.

Originally posted by trenck
don't they have anything better to do them so called "scientists" ???
they are criminals, right out, of the worst category.
as we would not already have enough plagues on this planet.

I remember the outbreak of mixomatose, a "strain" created in labs to eliminate an animal considered a pest:
rabbits in australia.
how dumb can mankind be to do something like that.
of course the "strain" migrated somehow to europe.
I had some vast rural property in france, I rembember those poor rabbits walking around half blind having their eyes pecked out by crows, until they miserably died of starvation or under some car. and with mixomatose they could not be hunted and eaten anymore.
and they spread the disease also to domestic animals.
how can you try to eliminate rabbits ?
dumb dumber dumbest
and it goes on and on
this planet is a criminal asylum.

I am sorry to prove you otherwise trenck, but you are mistaken when you say that Myxomatosis can be spread to other animals (apart from the occasional domestic rabbit due to unproper care that is)... this is absolutely NOT true (i am a veterinary surgeon with over 25 years of experience and also work in close collaboration with the national office of hunting and wild fauna (ONCFS)), one of my jobs is to help the ONCFS collect information on wildlife species populations as well as detecting any heath problems that may occur in the general wildlife population.

The strain didn't migrate to Europe... In mid-1952 it was deliberately introduced into France by a retired physician who occupied a rabbit-infested estate near Paris. In autumn 1953 it arrived in Britain, initially near the town of Edenbridge in Kent.

At first Ministry of Agriculture officials tried to contain it. Once this proved impossible it was allowed to run its course; before long perhaps 99 per cent of Britain’s wild rabbits were dead.

www.wellcome.ac.uk...

HOWEVER... I too live in France in the countryside in an area that is very popular for hunting (The Sologne area), apart from the odd case from year to year, this sickness is practically eradicated from France.

The rabbit population went considerably down about 12 years ago throughout the WHOLE of France and is now and a very rapid increase, so i wouldn't worry too much.

members.iinet.net.au...

Kindest respects

Rodinus

Originally posted by neo96
Created in a veterinary lab.

Why anyone would think, " Hey let's take some bird flu virus, and mix it up, and see what we get.".

(visit the link for the full news article)

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The answer to your question is simple.

Population control.

China has already tried the "one child" per family legislation.

Population still growing, and some even secretly have more than one kid.

How do you solve an over population problem?

So many people driving cars in China today, there's smog everywhere and air quality so bad it's hard to even breathe.

A new viral strain could rapidly reduce the population and return the air to breathing quality for the rest in just a matter of months.

So, maybe they are exploring alternative solutions to their overpopulation problem.

Originally posted by Covertblack

Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni
This is good news!

Now start worrying about the ones we dont know about.

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No, no, they are announcing it so when it "accidently" escapes the lab and kills millions/billions, they can say whoops but we did everything we could to contain it. Mea culpa.

And they'll be doing biological containment drills right before it happens too

H1N1 limped forth and petered out at the border of Mexico, leaving nothing in the US besides dozens of previously panicked and vaccinated citizens. After that flop (compared to what people were afraid was going to happen), I find pandemic warnings hard to take seriously.