Man Arrested For Drinking Ice Tea in Parking Lot

Originally posted by kimish
reply to post by Zaanny

 

I agree with that but because of the lack of material from the beginning we don't know what transpired to que the officer to come out and talk to X.

Profiling

Originally posted by six67seven
This is simple:

the guy (cop) created a criminal where one previously didn't exiist.

He immediately jumped to "trespassing" which is the go-to offense if a person is not on their own property in questionable situations, like this. His 'tough-guy' came out front and center rather quickly, didn't it?

The owner of the property establishes whether or not a person is trespassing, if not, then visual displays are either present or not for more information. signs.

Originally posted by WaterBottle
reply to post by phishyblankwaters

 

I still wanna know how common it is to film people drinking tea in a parkinglot. Personally, i feel like there's more to this story that we're not getting.

This is the digital age. It is extremely common to film yourself hanging out with friends. I know I have.

Hanging out with friends in the parking lot of a liquor store?

Originally posted by WaterBottle

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A man is standing next to his car in a parking lot, a supposed plain clothes officer comes up to him

edit on 2-5-2013 by WaterBottle because: (no reason given)

Man...all I can say...that's one brave cop.

reply to post by kimish

(s)He'll be back with more Partial videos to suit his/her agenda.

So you are asking us not to overlook your HYPOTHESIS that there might have been something else, but you are overlooking the whole VIDEO based on your CONJECTURE? And then you go off again about hidden agendas. Troll much?

Originally posted by SQUEALER

Man...all I can say...that's one brave cop.

Unless he knew he wasn't in any danger

My guess... this was staged for street credit and exposure, and the cop was in on it, or is that being racist?

Wow @ some of you guys immediately rushing to defend the cop in this situation. Here we have it completely SPELLED OUT from A to Z in this video, so simple a child could understand it, and yet people still don't get it?? I am equally appalled and fascinated by the lengths the human mind--even brilliant ones-- will go to defend whatever backwards-ass prejudices they've engrained. It truly is like a lawyer, ready to defend whatever you've chosen to believe.

Hey racists, if you are still in denial about your racism please reread EXACTLY what you wrote with scrutiny, and understand that this is indeed what the very core of racism looks like in 2013. By the way, if you have to guess if I'm talking about you or not, then yeah, I am probably talking about you.

probably asked this morons to leave a hundred times after they just filmed this stupid music video in the parking lot...same clothes and looks to be same parking lot...check out their website...laughable...Link

Click here for more information.

If this is real it is down right crazy.They did not do a thing wrong.

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except to say that some people are convoluted, and uneducated and wish to follow the norm. [email protected] if you'd like to further the discussion

This appears to me to be fake. The real cop just pats him down takes the other guys word for it investigates nothing, doesnt talk to witnesses doesnt talk to store owner, doesnt appear to even get the guys name and run it or anything. Just puts him in the car and drives off. And he didnt even take the cuffs off and give them back to the plain clothes cops.
The guy who upped the video also has other produced videos, such as music videos, and a commercial.
Its fake.

The real crime is wasting tax payers money using the cop car and policeman's time to make a stupid promo.

That's all it seems to be these days with Cops. Personal!!!! The difference...now they're killing people.

Anyways...I was watching a program called Vegas Jail and one thing that I kept seeing over and over was these Cops and their Mouths!!!! They had to make sure they got over on anyone that dare speak to them in a manner they don't approve of. Some of these cops were worse then 2 yr olds!! When they were losing the put-down battle then they would either stick the person in that new chair they like to use. ( you cannot move at all ) or, they throw you into a side cell which keeps you from going home sooner. You also see the vids of cops on the streets acting like this. You either kiss their ass or your going to get hurt one way or another.

Personally, if I ran the show and I seen any member of my staff engaging a prisoner like they do w/ petty remarks because they got their feelings hurt by someone that does not want to be in jail and they're mad so of course they're going to be mouthy...but do not engage them!!!! If the prisoner cannot control their mouth then they go into a side cell until they can...simple. But to sit there an argue...it just wouldn't happen with my crew. You cannot take it personal!!!

Originally posted by Nephalim

Originally posted by six67seven
This is simple:

the guy (cop) created a criminal where one previously didn't exiist.

He immediately jumped to "trespassing" which is the go-to offense if a person is not on their own property in questionable situations, like this. His 'tough-guy' came out front and center rather quickly, didn't it?

The owner of the property establishes whether or not a person is trespassing, if not, then visual displays are either present or not for more information. signs.

Unbelievable.

The owner of the property does not determine whether someone is trespassing simply by singling someone out and declaring that person to be a trespasser.

The parking lot is a premises open to the public. Unless and until the man is told that he must leave or be subject to a charge of trespassing, he has every right to be there. Drinking an iced tea is not an illegal activity.

Neither a bona fide cop nor a citizen, such as the rent-a cop has any right to interfere with the man's lawful activity in the absence of reasonable suspicion that he's committing a crime. The man had no obligation to let the rent-a-cop smell his drink or even engage in a conversation with him.

The rent-a-cop exceeded his authority and was 100% in the wrong under the known circumstances. His unfounded suspicion does not give him any basis for what he did.

It isn't illegal for someone to be filming another person. So what if someone was filming the guy drinking his iced tea? So what?

maybe that establishment or maybe that particular rent-a-cop has a reputation for engaging in baseless harassment of citizens who are doing nothing illegal, such as drinking an iced tea next their car in the parking lot, especially citizens of color.

This thread is so full of failed arguments. Based on what we have as evidence as viewed on Video this guy will walk and get $$ in return. The supposed Poooolice as he described himself in the video never once pulled out a badge to ID him as so. He left the evidence behind to potentially be tampered with while he escorted the subject to the squad roll which he didn't need to do, the officer in the squad could have done so by him self. The guy was obviously a rent a cop but posed falsely as a police officer. A rwal cop shows ID on demand.

This rent a cop is lucky that everyone didn't pounce on him and beat the crap out of him. Anybody can walk up to me and say they are Poooooolice but I want proof and until then I would not cooperate or submit like this guy did.

Should the guy just have left the premises, YES becuase it just isn't worth all the BS.

Without all the evidence it is hard to make a decision 100% but based on what I see on video he skates.

Originally posted by kimish
OK, bs. How hard is it to put alcohol into an open can?? Not hard at all. To my knowledge carrying an open alcohol container in public is illegal. All that X had to do was let the officer smell the can. Instead he was defiant. This is why many people get arrested for petty stuff, they're stupid and try pressing their luck.
Chances are that X has a rap sheet as long as his leg too. SMh.

ETA: Arizona tea is also popular in many subcultures. Codeine (illegal without prescription/or illegal to abuse) is used in the tea. OP< I know you are aware of this so stop the race baiting.

If I'm drinking a beverage, have not done anything wrong, and am in no way breaking the law when approached, the cop has absolutely ZERO right to demand to smell my drink.

Sure, it would be a simple end to the issue by just letting him sniff my tasty beverage, but then again, he had no cause to ask in the first place, therefore, he can take a walk.

That is like a cop pulling you over for no other reason than to ask you where you're going; it's none of his business to ask you that and he has instantly violated your rights by stopping you without cause.

I can't believe how accepting people are of things like this in this day and age.

As for why one guy would be recording a friend drinking an iced tea, who the hell cares? If I want to record a telephone pole, waiting for it to do something interesting, that is my business, and no one else's.

reply to post by jude11


Pick and chose you battles. Look for a hole and attack.
I've backed everything I said earlier. I may not put my thoughts into words well, but you all know what I mean. Take advatantage of a cripple, don't be a cock, you know what you doin,.

Don't muck with me, Homey.

Kimish:

Maybe you just read the OP and one or 2 of my posts and decided to reply...

No. Maybe I watched the video and read all posts up to making my own?

Kimish:

...I've answered everything you've stated in your last post.

How could you have answered anything? You took, and have taken a particular stance, one of utter conjecture, and have possessed it like it was fact. No conclusion you arrived at applies to what actually transpired in the video. You've made up a fantasy scenario to fit your ill-conceived perceptions. You have in fact, made the same error of assumption like the cop in the video, and instead of gracefully acknowledging your error and mistake, you have argued your stance with further conjectural thinking.

Do you know the difference between fantasy and reality? You cannot treat 'what if' scenarios the same as 'what did' happen. At no point in the video does the alleged cop produce the necessary evidence to support his claim to be a cop. Until evidence is produced, no one should submit to an authority that is claimed. It doesn't matter if he's an actual cop, he has to produce the evidence that he is so. You seem to struggle with that concept, or perhaps, ignore it altogether? Either way, your conjecture is utterly annihilated!

The cop should have approached the black guy holding his badge and shield up to identify he was a cop before he even first spoke to the guy drinking from the can, but he didn't do this, why? Could it be (and I am assuming here) that he didn't have the badge or shield on him? In which case, he has no authority. The authority of a cop does not lay in the person, but in the badge or shield, if he does not have them on his person, he's just another citizen, and one can treat him as such.

Ahabstar:

Some may call it hanging out waiting for a friend to show up. But it is also considered loitering in front of a liquor store. Being outside of the car, dancing around drinking a drink that isn't easily recognized at a distance but being the size of a tallboy can (24oz) while a friend is videoing it could be consider suspicious activity that warrants closer inspection.

That in of itself, could be considered as reason for a person with the relevant authority to approach the guy to establish rythme and reason for his being there, but the approach has to be backed up with evidence produced in the first instance to establish immediately one's authority; it sets up a relationship for reasonable cooperation. The black guy may have acted differently if this was established beyond all doubt.

The alleged cop acted bullishly and bombastically, which was entirely the wrong approach, and did not produce any evidence of his authority.

Ahabstar:

Since this was a cop (or even a hired person to perform security) he had the authority to order him to leave the property.

No evidence was produced at the time to support any such claim, the black guy's resistance was right, and I might add, conservatively restrained. As I have already stated earlier...one does not submit to claims of authority, but to supporting evidence of it, none was produced during the altercation. Even if it is uncovered later that the guy is a cop, or works part-time as security at the store, it still remains an irrelevant issue, because it was not established at the right time, and in the right way.

How can I put this to you all so that it sinks in...

DO NOT SUBMIT TO CLAIMS OF AUTHORITY, BUT TO EVIDENCE SUPPORTING THE CLAIM!

Ahabstar:

Depending on how the guy acts with the uniformed officer will determine if he has to spend the night in jail...

I'm sorry, what uniformed officer, where did he come from? Perhaps, you meant to say..."Depending on how the guy reacts to 'a' (and not 'the') uniformed officer..."