The Fall of the U.S. As We Know It?

I have been surfing the internet over the last three to four months looking into anti-government sentiment. I have looked on MSM and alternative news sites primarily looking at user comments to see what real people say. I have noticed a sharp increase in anti-government comments across the board, even on yahoo and MSN websites. I only bring these up to lead into my actual topic.

At what point of distrust will the American Government cease to be of any use? Without respect and trust in the authority of the officials governing you how can they have power at all? Will the revolution that everyone has been talking about in hushed voices and from anonymous post be one of demand for political change?

I will start by saying I believe that no Government can maintain power without trust, if people don't trust the judges or police crime will rise because more people will not care. I have changed my voter registration to libertarian as a statement to both major parties that I will not support lies and deceit in any way. I think now is a time for change, the change I want is honesty and integrity, it means more than just what words you say, it means saying the things you don't want to just to be honest with people.

Tell me what you think.

Distrusting the government is already of no use. We are past the point of no return. But that's just my opinion.

It seems as though nothing will change. Kids are too brainwashed these days to go against what the government is doing, and the kids are our only way out of this hell hole. And of course, the government already took care of that problem with TVs, computers, and of course, video games.

America will become nothing more than what Nazi Germany was. Congress will keep passing as many laws as though want, because of the "it's for our safety" excuse. And so, we'll be living like a bunch of dogs in cages. Freedom will become a thing of the past.

But that's just my two cents.

Originally posted by extraterrestrialentity
Distrusting the government is already of no use. We are past the point of no return. But that's just my opinion.

It seems as though nothing will change. Kids are too brainwashed these days to go against what the government is doing, and the kids are our only way out of this hell hole. And of course, the government already took care of that problem with TVs, computers, and of course, video games.

America will become nothing more than what Nazi Germany was. Congress will keep passing as many laws as though want, because of the "it's for our safety" excuse. And so, we'll be living like a bunch of dogs in cages. Freedom will become a thing of the past.

But that's just my two cents.

Well I'm not that old and was raised with video games and tv and I'm awake so I think all it will take is more involvement by those of us willing to share. One of the best selling points in both TV shows, movies, and video games is the story, so my guess is all we have to do is make the truth interesting to talk about, make freethinking fun and challenge everyone to prove something not just take it on faith. At least that is how I'm trying to raise my small kids.

The point will come when people no longer are affected by normalcy bias. Right now everyone looks around sees the neighbor has a job, the services are still running etc so they just wait and hope someone else will fix it.

I know in the state I live in it is not uncommon at all to overhear people at the market talking about such things. Ive heard police officers talking about the govt and eventual collapse so I think it is fast approaching but the masses wont be moved to act until the reality of the situation is confronting them outside their front door.

Also OP you are not the only person noticing this. The government is aware of this as well and are going so far as to warn people about all of the anit-govt sentiment and attempting to link it to any and every societal ill. They play down events and even warn us not to "give in" to conspiracy theories. The writing is on the wall.

Originally posted by RagnarDanniskjold
At what point of distrust will the American Government cease to be of any use?

I think it's maybe more important to ask at what point does their usefullness cease to be of use for the American People as a whole rather than the Elite Corporate Monarchy/Military Industrial Complex? To that I'd say it's pretty much there already. In fact I almost don't remember the last time any action was taken by them that wasn't some form of subversive tactic against this country and it's people.

Without respect and trust in the authority of the officials governing you how can they have power at all?

The same way they always have and always will, BY FORCE!!

Will the revolution that everyone has been talking about in hushed voices and from anonymous post be one of demand for political change?

I'd say they pretty much go hand in hand wouldn't you???

reply to post by mOjOm


Greed and corruption - the gov't has been doing it for years.

Greed and corruption - the illegal among the citizenry has embraced this - whether it's cheating for welfare benefits, or corporations and insider trading scams - there's nothing believable anymore.

Add to that a third world invasion from mexico - not just mexicans, but anyone else that can walk across our ungaurded borders to fleece the taxpayers.

The federal reserve - I don't think I need to say anymore.

The US is a house of cards falling down - and everyone is looking to either take what they can get - or hoard for survival.

No one with any kind of sense trusts anything those idiots in DC say anymore.

To help establish the connection between government and trust is money. While money continues to function then there will still be enough trust within government to function. Most people will still have food on the table and a roof over their head so no need to rock the boat too much. If the economy should become an utter mess and start to impact the public ability to trade then things will heat up.

reply to post by RagnarDanniskjold

Well I'm not that old and was raised with video games and tv and I'm awake so I think all it will take is more involvement by those of us willing to share.

All kids these days know is to play video games, watch TV, and be on the computer. But that's just from personal experience, I'm not saying it's a fact.

One of the best selling points in both TV shows, movies, and video games is the story, so my guess is all we have to do is make the truth interesting to talk about, make freethinking fun and challenge everyone to prove something not just take it on faith.

And that's the problem. TV could be used to educate children, but instead, it's being used to deter children away from real problems. Now I'm not saying you shouldn't have entertainment on TV at all, but a little entertainment here and there wouldn't hurt. Maybe if people didn't spend their entire day on TV, television wouldn't have to educate people, because people wouldn't be using their time up and would actually be looking at the real problems.

I'm sure when you were growing up, you didn't sit all day playing video games, and watch TV. Which is why you're on this site right now! To get knowledge about the real problems.

Originally posted by Happy1
reply to post by mOjOm

 

Greed and corruption - the gov't has been doing it for years.

Greed and corruption - the illegal among the citizenry has embraced this - whether it's cheating for welfare benefits, or corporations and insider trading scams - there's nothing believable anymore.

Add to that a third world invasion from mexico - not just mexicans, but anyone else that can walk across our ungaurded borders to fleece the taxpayers.

The federal reserve - I don't think I need to say anymore.

The US is a house of cards falling down - and everyone is looking to either take what they can get - or hoard for survival.

No one with any kind of sense trusts anything those idiots in DC say anymore.

The culture of deception and greed is not just one affecting Govt. Its sad everyday to wake up and see corruption in the media, in schools, in police, in corporations but what makes it worse is the trickle down to the common man. I cant even play games without rampant cheating from other players. You watch sports and you see cheats. Its everywhere. People do a crap job and only look out for themselves. There is no sense of civic duty or even responsibility towards your fellow man. The signs are all around us. Hell I am a fool for not selling everything and getting out while I can but I guess I am one of those civic minded types.

Originally posted by extraterrestrialentity
reply to post by RagnarDanniskjold

 

Well I'm not that old and was raised with video games and tv and I'm awake so I think all it will take is more involvement by those of us willing to share.

All kids these days know is to play video games, watch TV, and be on the computer. But that's just from personal experience, I'm not saying it's a fact.

One of the best selling points in both TV shows, movies, and video games is the story, so my guess is all we have to do is make the truth interesting to talk about, make freethinking fun and challenge everyone to prove something not just take it on faith.

And that's the problem. TV could be used to educate children, but instead, it's being used to deter children away from real problems. Now I'm not saying you shouldn't have entertainment on TV at all, but a little entertainment here and there wouldn't hurt. Maybe if people didn't spend their entire day on TV, television wouldn't have to educate people, because people wouldn't be using their time up and would actually be looking at the real problems.

I'm sure when you were growing up, you didn't sit all day playing video games, and watch TV. Which is why you're on this site right now! To get knowledge about the real problems.

I get ya and no I didn't spend all day but what time I did was spent with or around my parents and during that time they did use it to educate me. As my father always told me when I wanted to use cheat code or get a walkthrough guide for my games "What is the point to playing a game you dont play?" I involve myself in my childrens lives the same way . I thank you for a great conversation.

Originally posted by NihilistSanta

Originally posted by Happy1
reply to post by mOjOm

 

Greed and corruption - the gov't has been doing it for years.

Greed and corruption - the illegal among the citizenry has embraced this - whether it's cheating for welfare benefits, or corporations and insider trading scams - there's nothing believable anymore.

Add to that a third world invasion from mexico - not just mexicans, but anyone else that can walk across our ungaurded borders to fleece the taxpayers.

The federal reserve - I don't think I need to say anymore.

The US is a house of cards falling down - and everyone is looking to either take what they can get - or hoard for survival.

No one with any kind of sense trusts anything those idiots in DC say anymore.

The culture of deception and greed is not just one affecting Govt. Its sad everyday to wake up and see corruption in the media, in schools, in police, in corporations but what makes it worse is the trickle down to the common man. I cant even play games without rampant cheating from other players. You watch sports and you see cheats. Its everywhere. People do a crap job and only look out for themselves. There is no sense of civic duty or even responsibility towards your fellow man. The signs are all around us. Hell I am a fool for not selling everything and getting out while I can but I guess I am one of those civic minded types.

I agree with your points about everyone elses actions but "If they jumped of a Bridge would you?" kinda comes to mind. I am not saying your following derectly but their actions are because they cant succeed otherwise which is just as defeatest as what your saying. I say all of of sould go back to the golden rule and be the example its hard but anything thats worth it is hard. To me being American means standing up for the little guy, our country was founded by a minority that was just seeking to not be interfered with. My America means being honest and straight with people no matter what, family always comes first, and god. I know not all people believe in god but real or not it is what this country started for and even if he is no more real than the Easter Bunny that belief deserves our thank for inspiring the founders of this great country to do the right thing.

reply to post by mOjOm


Thank you for answering, I cant argue your opinions at all but I will clarify the last question was meant more as will it be a peaceful or violent change?

reply to post by NihilistSanta


How far is our "legal system" - meaning police on the street, all the way up to the supreme court - beginning to look like Mexico?

Pay a bribe and get out of jail.

reply to post by RagnarDanniskjold


I'm living the golden rule. I just see the mainstream actions of others, and realize where this is going - and where it's going to end.

There's going to be a lot of murdered, genocided people in the US soon - and I'm sure I'm going to be one of them, simply because I will be honest.

Gold is being hoarded and worthless paper put into circulation in its place.

Americans see single family homes that 10 years ago costed 200k now cost over a million.

1/3 America is on welfare, and growing. Massacres, terror acts seem more ominous, with very young kids 6,7,8 routinely being cause in the crossfire of this state of 'war'.

America is under attack. It's collapse is to blame on a certain group of outsiders, an image of rich folks with oil, coming to America marrying our woman, abusing them cheating on them and to top it off, terrorizing us as jihadists.

People are going postal on one another. Well, at least the number or international military bases are growing.

Originally posted by RagnarDanniskjold
reply to post by mOjOm

 

Thank you for answering, I cant argue your opinions at all but I will clarify the last question was meant more as will it be a peaceful or violent change?

I see. I wish I had an answer too, but I doubt many do, or atleast one which is more exact than others. I will say that most people probably want change without violence almost every time. After all, violence change usually effects those involved in a negative way so most often other methods are desired. There are only a very few involved who actually profit from violent change and they are typically the only ones who prefer that method over other non-violent means.

However, the more a system, of whatever type, becomes established in it's methods and it's control over itself and it's surrounding systems the more rigid it becomes against change in general. Life and reality on the other hand is an endless continous cycle of change however, which will never be in total harmony with something which tries to establish itself as a constant. Eventually, the rigid system will have to give way to change and the more establised it has become the more violent that change will probably be as it gives way under the pressure from resisting for so long.

A picture is worth a million words.....

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New member, .. checking for information on anti-government sentiments?

I smell a government operative. Jus sayin.

Originally posted by RagnarDanniskjold
I have been surfing the internet over the last three to four months looking into anti-government sentiment. I have looked on MSM and alternative news sites primarily looking at user comments to see what real people say. I have noticed a sharp increase in anti-government comments across the board, even on yahoo and MSN websites. I only bring these up to lead into my actual topic.

At what point of distrust will the American Government cease to be of any use? Without respect and trust in the authority of the officials governing you how can they have power at all? Will the revolution that everyone has been talking about in hushed voices and from anonymous post be one of demand for political change?

I will start by saying I believe that no Government can maintain power without trust, if people don't trust the judges or police crime will rise because more people will not care. I have changed my voter registration to libertarian as a statement to both major parties that I will not support lies and deceit in any way. I think now is a time for change, the change I want is honesty and integrity, it means more than just what words you say, it means saying the things you don't want to just to be honest with people.

Tell me what you think.

edit on 1-5-2013 by RagnarDanniskjold because: grammar

what do you mean "cease to be of any use"? representative democracy has worked pretty well, i don't see it going anywhere.

people always think of the government as some foreign body, alien to us normal folks, but they are us, we are them.
til we start remembering that, we will never fix this problem, over the last 60 years our government officials have made a lot of effort to distance themselves from the average american. to make themselves into plutocrats.

we need to remember that they work for us, not the other way around! they are only there because we voted for them, but we will never gain control until we as a people decide that corporations are not people, and demand election reform.
sadly we don't care, we are fine with the crap we have now because they say what we want to hear.

why are anti-government comments a concern, they always crop up when the government does stupid crap, but it's a right to criticize the government.

Originally posted by Happy1
reply to post by NihilistSanta

 

How far is our "legal system" - meaning police on the street, all the way up to the supreme court - beginning to look like Mexico?

Pay a bribe and get out of jail.

i don't think we are there yet.
a few judges are that corrupt but not every judge.