Barack Obama says Guantanamo Bay prison must close

I am pretty sure he promised to close that facility "within a year" of his election. That didn't happen.

1. The recent few posts had been focussed upon the President, on what he had done or not done over the gitmo issue.

But the CRITICAL matter is not the President, but the PRISONERS.

Those are dangerous captured jihadists whom have vowed to kill innocent men, women and children to further their master's agenda, anywhere, anytime. The entire world is their Area of Combat, as proven by the radical militant jihadists atrocities around our world.

Although they had not been caught in the act of killing innocents, or had suicide bombed themselves along with others, it is a no brainer to detain and hold them as long as possible, for these folks are no longer humans. They are incapable of reason and will do everything possible to kill and kill, as many others whom had released had done.

Only a few go straight, but does the world dares take that chance? All it takes is just one jihadists to killl and maim innocent loved ones, and they strike anytime and anywhere.

Most nations would not take that chance, and not even Congress, thankfully. While this group is detained, other measures are being done to eradicate the scourge of terrorism elsewhere - such as getting the communities to help, religions to reject radicalism as NO religion authorizes the killing of innocents in peacetime, or using innocents as body shields, investigating radical links to apprehend the islamic radicals, education of the young, etc.

As mentioned before, if anyone who is of sound mind, would you dare to take responsibility, act as guarantor to free them, and if they commit crimes, would you be willing to live in gitmo for life, for pushing for the freedom of such animals?


2. As for the President, he is only human, and in the US, it is not a tyranny or dictatorship, but a governance of the People by rule of law and most critically of all - check and balances to ensure that when a decision is made, it is sound and do have the support of the freely elected representatives and the People, because all mortals are flawed and capable of making the wrong decisions, and if in a position of power, such a decision will cost lives with tragic consequences.

When he made the decision on gitmo years ago, it was based upon empathic reasons, and not necessary pragmatic ones. Even today, he continues to mouth empathic reasons to want to close down gitmo, but fortunately, he does not rule alone.

There are more saner and practical heads in Congress, whom had enough of being fooled by blooding heart empathy in the past which resulted in the loss of countless lives to the scourge of terrorism, fighting this atrocity with arms tied behind one's back through the use of empathic laws which those animals and their supporters had NO respect for and had only laughed at our stupidity for decades.

Blame the president or praise him, it doesnt truly matters. What matter critically is that citizens must be protected and not fooled or manipulated into making empathic stupidities. Enough is enough.

High time to change the script.

This seems like a good thing, and I suppose it is, but until the US government is severely altered to prevent clandestine organizations and political cliques from having too much power and pull, these types of things will just continue. And you know what will happen next? They will definitely keep things under wraps more often. So let's close Gitmo and start sending people to some top secret camp that no one knows about. I mean the trials at the camp are a joke. Even the judge basically said so, considering all the things that had gone on. These prisoners were not even allowed attorney-client privileges, among all the other abuses. And to think that only a few of them are actually guilty of anything wrong.

And you know what, even those that are guilty do not deserve that type of treatment. That is not what our justice system is about here in America. There are anti-torture regulations for a reason. The very fact that we need them is sad enough, considering for most people human decency is enough to prevent such actions. That should tell us something about our government.

Why close Club Gitmo?
It ain't so bad.

Even the bombers' Mom wants US to send her baby boomer there.

reply to post by buster2010


I didn't know that the gitmo bill needed a super majority to pass the Senate, what was the final vote count?

This belongs in this thread:

US drone strikes being used as alternative to Guantánamo, lawyer says

The lawyer who first drew up White House policy on lethal drone strikes has accused the Obama administration of overusing them because of its reluctance to capture prisoners that would otherwise have to be sent to Guantánamo Bay.

www.guardian.co.uk...

Obama says Gitmo must close because obviously killing them outright is a better alternative.

Don't have to worry about trials, or military tribunals.,

Least the guy who opened Gitmo was a tad bit more humane, as drone strikes have drastically increased under the current administration.

Can anyone in this thread explain the need for both? If obama signed a EO why does he need an act of Congress? If obama needs an act of Congress to close gitmo, why did he sign a worthless EO?

Is obama a liar or an idiot?

Concentration camps, where people are held without a trial, are the worst thing that happened to the western world since 1933.

If a government bends the law to a point, where innocent ppl are imprisoned, said government loses all the credit it built over time.

The USA is an oligarchy like Russia, with a thin layer of fake democracy on top of it.

Originally posted by Carreau
Can anyone in this thread explain the need for both? If obama signed a EO why does he need an act of Congress? If obama needs an act of Congress to close gitmo, why did he sign a worthless EO?

Is obama a liar or an idiot?

Basically, he signed an order to close it but we can't release the people there. Which means all the prisoners need transferred. Every place the prisoners tried to be moved failed. State/federal/local jails refused them, other countries refused them, no one wants the prisoners. As a result, Guantanamo has to stay open simply to house the prisoners. It will take an act of congress to force existing prisons to take the prisoners.

The men will never be transferred to US soil.

The prison will remain open.

These men are being punished. Period.

Ancient Rome took the safety of every single Roman citizen deathly serious. An attack on one, was an attack on the empire. This provided a cloak of relative safety for citizens of the empire abroad and at home.

America is punishing these men, making an example of them.

Whether that is ok is for you to decide for yourself.