The Book of Elxai: What was the Early Church hiding??

Originally posted by LiveForever8
reply to post by Akragon

 

The fact of the matter is; the book only had to mention (or even intimate very slightly) that Jesus was a mere mortal and it was a candidate for destruction. This or any one of the dozens of others details that do not conform with the official story concocted by the Council of Nicaea in 325AD.

Either that or Jesus was an alien. Take your pick.

Well he wasn't an alien... that's just silly..

But what exactly does the council of Nicaea have to do with anything related to this book?

reply to post by Akragon


Well, the Council of Nicaea is where it was decided that Jesus was in fact the Son of God - a divine entity, and not just a man. The Council's purpose was to define unity of beliefs for the whole of Christendom.

So, if the book in your OP stated anywhere that Jesus was just a man then that was enough for it to be destroyed.

reply to post by LiveForever8


True...

Weird how they didn't decide to destroy it until 900 some odd years later though... Considering the book was apparently known within the second or third century...

reply to post by Akragon


Well it might have just been a rumour up until that point. Or perhaps it got lost or was hidden from the Church until it was finally discovered and destroyed. Numerous reasons why it could have survived so long, after all, we're still digging things like this up in deserts and finding them in ancient libraries.

reply to post by Akragon


I'm reading journalist, former atheist Lee Strobel's

THE SEARCH FOR THE REAL JESUS.

It's clear already that such purported "early" document expose's against the standard Biblical truths and historic accuracy of the Bible--the anti-Biblical 'documents' are fraudulent in a variety of ways. Some of them are out-right outrageous hoaxes. Others are ignorant extrapolations piling bias on top of flimsy inference on top of nonsense.

I expect more of such stuff . . . and eventually the fallen angel critters are purported to have 3D "historic" holographic videos "proving" that THEY created all the religious figures of history--including Jesus--for "social engineering" purposes.

AUTHENTIC CHRISTIANS know The Lord's Voice as He stated in the NT. "My sheep know my voice." They have a RELATIONSHIP with a Person that transcends the deadliness of RELIGION.

They need not fear nor be bothered by all manner of fraudulent nonsense. Christ warned that the GREAT DECEPTION of the END TIMES would be SO GREAT that WERE IT POSSIBLE, it would deceive "even the very elect." Such should be of no surprise to authentic Christians.

Those who are addicted to their own biases, lusts, addictions, rebellions, idolatries, hedonism etc. will always find excuse to rebel against God and His truths. The sort of "document" described in the OP is merely one of a late crop of such stuff. The pile of horse biscuits will be getting deeper and deeper the closer we get to Armageddon.

Those looking for justification for their rebellions, idolatries etc. will latch onto such "documentation" with glee and a vengeance. Those not swallowing such nonsense will be fiercely derided as ignorant, unmodern, etc.

Nevertheless . . . as The Book declares . . . "The fool has said in his heart, there is no God."

So if I wrote another Gospel today and said it was divinely inspired should it be considered as canon?
I doubt anybody would consider it valid except a few nutters.
The Gospels and letters were written by men who were reputable, not big angels or what ever.
Many of the letters (epistles) in the bible are still considered questionable by apologists.
Luther stated that James was a book of straw.

reply to post by BO XIAN


So who decided which books were fraudulent? Man? Or did god pull up a chair and give input?

If you say divinely inspired man then you will probably hear me smack my forehead from here.

Apparently by that guys logic even the "elect" back in the day were just as wrong as they are today. The idea that fraud was alive and well, written into books that needed destroying way back then oh but beware fraud will be worse in the future and only we know divine truth now is laughable at best.

reply to post by Akragon


This part:

"revealed by an angel ninety-six miles high, sixteen miles broad and twenty-four across the shoulders, whose footprints were fourteen miles long and four miles wide by two miles deep."

Sounds like a code..

96 / 24 = 4
96 / 16 = 6
24 x 16 / 96 = 4
96 x 24 / 16 = 144
96 x 16 / 24 = 64
96 x 24 x 16 = 36,864
Foot prints:
14 x 4 x 2 = 112
14 x 2 / 4 =7
14 x 4 / 2 = 28
112 / 7 = 16



google that number haha.. "In fact, there are 36,864 different ways to make a Whataburger with special requests like grilled onions, jalapenos, triple meat and extra cheese."

I think those who controlled the bible tried to remove the burger reference because they were running the chick fila game the whole time.. Yep that's right.

Seriously though is there no way to find the actual text? Anything to pull from it that I could look at and find interesting?

I tend to stay away from the topics involving religion, but this is one that I have had interest in for a long time. I have always wondered why so many texts about Jesus and his time here on earth were destroyed. I have many theories, but one of my theories about why many of the texts were destroyed, and it has nothing to do with the fact that they were written poorly, or that they were "junk" as some would call them. I think it has more to do with the fact that Jesus said that our temple was within ourselves, and that we could worship freely outside the confines of a church.

Free thinking and interpretation is not something the church could allow. They had to maintain control of the texts that were published in order to control the entire religion. It seems to have worked so far. Look at how powerful the church has grown since those days. The other thing they cannot lose is the inflow of money, which if people did not need the church any longer would end that as well.

I do think some of the texts contained very controversial writings that went heavily against what is commonly taught and written about today, but those texts would be destroyed or hidden for similar reasons.

Elxai, the Hidden Power, was in reality one of the many names of the Sophia or Wisdom, the Holy Ghost...

Iexai was the Christ, the King, the spouse of Elxai, the Hidden Power, or Holy Ghost, or Sophia; He was perhaps the concealed Divine Triad of the Holy Four of Marcus, the "Triple Man" of other systems. In this connection it is interesting to notice that Iexai is explained by some scholars as meaning in Hebrew the "Hidden Lord." Can it then be possible that there is some connection between the name Iexai (or Jessai) and the Iessaians or Jessaeans to whom Epiphanius refers, as Hilgenfeld supposes? And if so, what conflation or syncretism is there between the general term Iexai or Jexai (Hidden Lord) and the Jesus of history? For "Jesus," says Marcus, is only the sound of the name down here and not the power of the name; "Jesus," he declares, is really a substitute for a very ancient name, and its power is known to the "elect" alone of the Christians.

... The Name Iexai... The Hidden Lord ... "race of Elxai"

"My sons, go not to the image of the fire, for ye err; for this image is error. Thou seest it [the fire], he says, very near, yet is it from afar. Go not to its image; but go rather to the voice of the water!"
This is evidently an instruction not to visit the Temple at Jerusalem.

The Iexai... I've Explained Connecting Abbas Image... And the separation from the Sacrifice Of Blood...

... The Voice Of Water ... When Abba Teaches Everyone Respect ...

"Water" as the "source of all things," not of course the physical element, the "image" of the Water, but the "Water of Life," the Life (Sophia) being the spouse of the Light (Christos),— she who was the Mother of all..

The word All... Abbas Living Light ...

The "voice of the water" may very well be taken as a mystic expression for the "voice" of the Holy Spirit, in brief the "voice of conscience," as may be seen from many verses of the later penitential psalms, in which the physical sacrifices are set aside and the doctrine of the truly spiritual sacrifice of the heart inculcated. What else can this "voice" be than the Bath-kol, the "heavenly voice" to which the prophets gave ear, according to these same mystics and later Talmudism?

That the "fish" (ichthus) was one of the earliest symbols of the Christ. Not only so, but the early Christian neophytes were called "little fishes," and even at the end of the second century Tertullian is found writing: "We little fishes (pisciculi), according to our Fish [Ichthus), are born in water."

... The Word Fish ... Father Is Showing Himself ...

" Offspring of the Heavenly Ichthus (Fish), see that a heart of holy reverence be thine, now that from divine waters thou hast received, while yet among mortals, a fount of life that is to immortality. Quicken thy soul, beloved one, with the ever-flowing waters of wealth-giving Wisdom [Sophia], and receive the honey-sweet food of the Saviour of the saints. Eat with a longing hunger holding Ichthus in thy hands."

we must remember that the prophet Nahum, a name meaning "rich in comfort" or the "comforter," is called the Elko#e ("Nah.," i. 1), a name given in the Greek translation of the so-called Seventy as Elkesaios. Moreover Jerome and Epiphanius (or pseudo-Epiph.) tell us that this prophet was born at a village in Galilee called Elkesei. It is, further, to be remembered that Cephar-naum means the village or town of Nahum, and here it was that Jesus began his ministry, and where he specially laboured. Moreover we read in the narrative of the first evangelist (Matt. "And he entered into a ship, and passed over (the Lake of Galilee), and carne into his own city"— which the parallel passage in Mark gives as Capernaum. What curious coincidences for a lover of Talmudic and allied riddles!

... The Father Abba ... The Son Jesus ... The Holy Ghost Sophia ...

Originally posted by Celt1
Elxai, the Hidden Power, was in reality one of the many names of the Sophia or Wisdom, the Holy Ghost...

Iexai was the Christ, the King, the spouse of Elxai, the Hidden Power, or Holy Ghost, or Sophia; He was perhaps the concealed Divine Triad of the Holy Four of Marcus, the "Triple Man" of other systems. In this connection it is interesting to notice that Iexai is explained by some scholars as meaning in Hebrew the "Hidden Lord." Can it then be possible that there is some connection between the name Iexai (or Jessai) and the Iessaians or Jessaeans to whom Epiphanius refers, as Hilgenfeld supposes? And if so, what conflation or syncretism is there between the general term Iexai or Jexai (Hidden Lord) and the Jesus of history? For "Jesus," says Marcus, is only the sound of the name down here and not the power of the name; "Jesus," he declares, is really a substitute for a very ancient name, and its power is known to the "elect" alone of the Christians.

... The Name Iexai... The Hidden Lord ... "race of Elxai"

"My sons, go not to the image of the fire, for ye err; for this image is error. Thou seest it [the fire], he says, very near, yet is it from afar. Go not to its image; but go rather to the voice of the water!"
This is evidently an instruction not to visit the Temple at Jerusalem.

The Iexai... I've Explained Connecting Abbas Image... And the separation from the Sacrifice Of Blood...

... The Voice Of Water ... When Abba Teaches Everyone Respect ...

"Water" as the "source of all things," not of course the physical element, the "image" of the Water, but the "Water of Life," the Life (Sophia) being the spouse of the Light (Christos),— she who was the Mother of all..

The word All... Abbas Living Light ...

The "voice of the water" may very well be taken as a mystic expression for the "voice" of the Holy Spirit, in brief the "voice of conscience," as may be seen from many verses of the later penitential psalms, in which the physical sacrifices are set aside and the doctrine of the truly spiritual sacrifice of the heart inculcated. What else can this "voice" be than the Bath-kol, the "heavenly voice" to which the prophets gave ear, according to these same mystics and later Talmudism?

That the "fish" (ichthus) was one of the earliest symbols of the Christ. Not only so, but the early Christian neophytes were called "little fishes," and even at the end of the second century Tertullian is found writing: "We little fishes (pisciculi), according to our Fish [Ichthus), are born in water."

... The Word Fish ... Father Is Showing Himself ...

" Offspring of the Heavenly Ichthus (Fish), see that a heart of holy reverence be thine, now that from divine waters thou hast received, while yet among mortals, a fount of life that is to immortality. Quicken thy soul, beloved one, with the ever-flowing waters of wealth-giving Wisdom [Sophia], and receive the honey-sweet food of the Saviour of the saints. Eat with a longing hunger holding Ichthus in thy hands."

we must remember that the prophet Nahum, a name meaning "rich in comfort" or the "comforter," is called the Elko#e ("Nah.," i. 1), a name given in the Greek translation of the so-called Seventy as Elkesaios. Moreover Jerome and Epiphanius (or pseudo-Epiph.) tell us that this prophet was born at a village in Galilee called Elkesei. It is, further, to be remembered that Cephar-naum means the village or town of Nahum, and here it was that Jesus began his ministry, and where he specially laboured. Moreover we read in the narrative of the first evangelist (Matt. "And he entered into a ship, and passed over (the Lake of Galilee), and carne into his own city"— which the parallel passage in Mark gives as Capernaum. What curious coincidences for a lover of Talmudic and allied riddles!

... The Father Abba ... The Son Jesus ... The Holy Ghost Sophia ...

I thought Abba sang Gimme! Gimme! Gimme! (A Man After Midnight).??

Humor is fine except when one's knowledge is lacking...

As Jesus Cried Out On The Cross... Abba Father His Dying Words...

As Lilith she cried out the Same Name...

As the Name Noah... No Outcasts Allowed Here... And by the Water (Voice) They Perished...

Oh and "Dancing Queen". That was a cracker.

"What does it mean that God is our Abba Father?"

Answer: In Scripture there are many different names used to describe God. While all the names of God are important in many ways, the name “Abba Father” is one of the most significant names of God in understanding how He relates to people. The word Abba is an Aramaic word that would most closely be translated as “Daddy.” It was a common term that young children would use to address their fathers. It signifies the close, intimate relationship of a father to his child, as well as the childlike trust that a young child puts in his “daddy.”

While most people, at least those who do not irrationally deny the existence of God, would claim that all are “children of God,” the Bible reveals quite a different truth. We are all His creations and under His authority and Lordship and will all be judged by Him, but being a child of God and having the right to truly call Him “Abba Father” is something that only born-again Christians are able to do (John 1:12-13).

Understanding that not all people are children of God and that becoming a child of God only happens when you are adopted by God through faith in Christ Jesus (Galatians 3:26) is important for understanding how and why God deals with people differently. If we are born again (John 1:12, 3:1-8), we have been adopted into the family of God, redeemed from the curse of sin and are “joint-heirs with Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:17; also Galatians 4:7). Part of that new relationship is that God now deals with us differently, which includes His chastisement when we sin (Hebrews 12:3-11). Because of that new relationship, Christians may sin, but they cannot be comfortable or content living a life of habitual, ongoing sin. If people are living a life enslaved to sin and are comfortable in that sin and without the chastisement of God upon them, then we know they are “illegitimate and not sons” (Hebrews 12:8). In other words, they are unbelievers.

The misguided but popular concept that all people are children of God and can truthfully call Him “Abba Father” is simply not true. Just as children do not choose to be adopted or choose who will adopt them, neither do Christians choose to become children of God. Instead, God chooses them. He predestines them “to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will” (Ephesians 1:5), having been chosen by God from “before the foundation of the world” (Ephesians 1:4).

It is life-changing to understand the full force of what it means to be able to call the one true God our “Daddy” and what it means to be joint-heirs with Christ. Because of our relationship with God, we know He no longer deals with us as enemies; instead, we can approach a holy God as our heavenly Father with “boldness” (Hebrews 11:19) and “full assurance of faith” (Hebrews 11:22). We have that confidence because of the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit who “bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together” (Romans 8:16-17).

The benefits of being adopted children of God are many. Becoming a child of God is the highest privilege and honor that can be imagined. Because of it we have a new relationship with God and a new standing before Him. He deals with His children differently than He deals with the rest of the world. Being a child of God, adopted “through faith in Christ Jesus” is the source for our hope, the security of our future and the motivation to “walk worthy of the calling with which you were called” (Ephesians 4:1). Being children of the King of Kings and Lord of Lords calls us to a higher standard, a different way of life and a greater hope.

As we come to understand the true nature of God as revealed in the Bible we should be amazed that He not only allows us, but even encourages us, to call Him “Abba Father.” It is amazing that a holy and righteous God, who created and sustains all things, who is the only all-powerful, all-knowing, ever-present God, would allow sinful humans to call Him “Daddy.” As we come to understand who God really is and how sinful we are, the privilege of being able to call Him “Abba Father” will take on a whole new meaning for us and help us understand God’s amazing grace.

So one would wonder why a jewish book of any age would be mentioning Jesus when theJews are still waiting for their mesiah and do not recognize Jesus as special in any way. Going out on a limb here and saying these two books never existed.

reply to post by 727Sky


I know that you said you're not a Bible scholar, but you're not even close with this:

Book of Mary Magdalene, Judas, and 14 books known as the Apocrypha were either removed from the King James Bible or have become something of a rarity. Most of the agnostic writings were totally discarded from the King James version and demonized.

There was never a book about Mary Magdalene or Judas, or any Gnostic texts (I assume that what you mean, I can't imagine what an agnostic writing would be,) included in the Bible. The Apocrypha appear in the original King James Bible, it was later editions that removed them, to be in concordance with Luther's Bible -- it was Martin Luther who removed those books from the Old Testament, because there were minor passages that conflicted with his theology, and he used the excuse that those books were written in Greek, not Hebrew, and therefore not authoritative.

Finally, contrary to popular belief, the Roman Catholic Church had nothing to do with the King James Bible -- James was a Protestant, not a Catholic. As a result, Catholic Bibles still have the Apocryphal books in them.

reply to post by Celt1


Nice post . From my point of view: Do not follow only follow the teachings that have been created from description of the source. Go to the source and find out yourself. You have to seek to find in this game of hide and seek, and if you give up the seeking early without all your big questions unanswered then you will never find greater understanding and physical proof. Happy seeking.

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When road is carved up yonder
I hope you see me there
It's in the water, it's where you came from
It's in the water, it's where you came from

And the crowd begins to wander
And they cry to see your face

It's in the water, it's in the story of where you came from
Your sons and daughters in all their glory it's gonna shape 'em
And when they pledge and come together, and start arising
Just drink the water where you came from, where you came from

The road it was carved from nothing
Never sold yourself away

It's in the water, it's in the story of where you came from
Your sons and daughters in all their glory its gonna shape 'em
And when they pledge and come together, and start arising
Just drink the water where you came from, where you came from
It's in the water where you came from
It's in the water where you came from
It's in the water where you came from

And when they pledge and come together and start arising
Just drink the water where you came from where you came from

reply to post by Celt1


From my point of view. Remove the thing about having to have faith in Christian religion and I agree. There are a lot of people with a lot of different views who get saved even atheists but they will no longer be atheist after those experiances.

I would gladly call both Buddha and Jesus my soul brothers and all the other messengers that have been sent. I do not have the same feelings for Paul because I do not like his views and understanding. If he has evolved further and lost his dualistic ideas that he preaches then fine.