The REAL purpose of I.Q. Testing

reply to post by ErtaiNaGia

Oh please... these people think that being a football player is an act of genius.

You asked for people who disagreed with your definition, I simply provided you with names.

Trees posess communication skills, would you consider them intelligent?

Not really, but according to your own description of intelligence...

communication
Communication is not Intelligence, it is a Capability of intelligent entities... not the same thing.

They have a form of intelligence, although it is rudimentary.

And no... ants do not have problem solving skills... you are misinterpreting the meaning of "Problem solving Skills"

Ants

So is sunrise and sunset..... would you state that the earth is intelligent

No but I never claimed that music was "intelligent". My claim is that music is the product of an intelligent agent.

Bah... a specious argument.

being able to make music is not a form of intelligence, it is an application of intelligence.

That you do not comprehend the difference is the problem.

No I see what you are saying, I never claimed that the ability to make music was a form of intelligence, I said that it was a demonstration of an intelligent agent. My claim is that someone creating music has qualities becoming of an intelligent individual, someone who has exceptional ability to think abstractly.

SOME music... yes...

But not ALL music... As my previous example illustrates, Musical ability is not an indicator of "High Intelligence"

While I would agree, such a subject is simply a matter of opinion.

Weed out? How is that achieved? Wouldnt that strategy backfire? As your population gets dumber, other countries have the engineers whom develop better weapons.

reply to post by ErtaiNaGia




Pretty much sums up America.

reply to post by Openeye

You asked for people who disagreed with your definition, I simply provided you with names.

And only one of those actually fit the bill... and he thought that being a football player was an act of genius.

The other two just pioneered different teaching methods, and disputed "Skull Sizing" as a legitimate measure of intelligence.... hardly qualifies for "Giving an alternate definition of intelligence" now does it?

Not really, but according to your own description of intelligence...

communication
Communication is not Intelligence, it is a Capability of intelligent entities... not the same thing.

That is correct.

That you don't know why Symbolic language applies, and chemical pheromones don't is the problem.

Ants

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

With ants obviously being unable to use the human version of the game, the scientist created a diamond shaped maze made up of 64 hexagons, where there were 32,768 possible paths to get to a food source, while some were allowed to explore the maze with target of food for a certain amount of time. Only two of these paths were regarded as the shortest paths and therefore representing the optimal solution.

The ants were quickly able to solve the Tower of Hanoi by finding the shortest path around the edge of the maze, and even when the way was blocked the ants were soon able to find the second most efficient route.

So... finding the fastest way to a source of food = Complex mathematical calculation, to you... eh?

Hahahahahaha

You so crazy...

No but I never claimed that music was "intelligent". My claim is that music is the product of an intelligent agent.

And you have yet to explain why birdsong isn't music.

I said that it was a demonstration of an intelligent agent.

So, you understand the difference between a skill that intelligence is applied to, and "A Form of Intelligence"?

Do you?

reply to post by Kang69

Pretty much sums up America.

Well, I see that SOMEONE has been paying attention.

You need to take like 6 different IQ tests, covering various human intellect to determine your real IQ.
Soz for English is not my native tongue

reply to post by Johnkie

Soz for English is not my native tongue

That's okay, Señor.

reply to post by WaterBottle


It sucked. First couple days were kinda fun. The teachers had left their car keys in their coat pockets. I switched them all. They did not do that again. The only benefit I got was my pick of the lost and found. But how many single shoes and mittens can one boy use? This was before kids had cell phones or even Walkmans. So never any electronics.

School was torture for me. I quit the day I turned 16. I could not take it another day. No child should have to deal with what I went through. No child.

reply to post by Merinda

Weed out? How is that achieved? Wouldnt that strategy backfire? As your population gets dumber, other countries have the engineers whom develop better weapons.

The point is, that this is an attack whose source is NOT in the target nation... but whose AGENTS are inside the target nation.

Development school doesn't teach you as much as it programs you to conform. In my opinion, the same size desks all set in rows facing front, the regimented classes with annoying bells or horns, the teachers who punish children who stand out... grading is a measurement of how well you conform to the "curriculum". IQ tests measure how you are progressing along that curve.

Timmy works and plays well with others.

Becoming a rebel and later an outcast saved me from the system.

Thank God

reply to post by ErtaiNaGia

So... finding the fastest way to a source of food = Complex mathematical calculation, to you... eh?

Do you usually put words into peoples mouths?

Where did I say they can solve complex mathematical problems?

The article just reinforces the fact that they can solve problems, that's it, and that is all I claimed.

And you have yet to explain why birdsong isn't music.

Music is classically defined as organised sound, it has intent.

Birdsong is bird vocalization...not music.

Another study

The only possible way it could be described as music is from a place of pure aesthetics.

Music has harmonic intervals!

Again Tempo Rythym Meter Melody and Harmony.

It is a human phenomenon!

Originally posted by AlphaHawk
reply to post by ErtaiNaGia

 

Greetings!

How do they weed out the high IQ people?

Why are organisations like MENSA around if high IQ people are being weeded out?

Well,If you keep them in one place,or within an easily recognisable group,they can be identified/targeted relatively quickly.

reply to post by ErtaiNaGia


Perhaps I do not have the correct insight but I can not see the connection between HIQ people and the "abortion" of their genes. It is not like the government pursues them telling them not to have children.
Though I have not read the entire thread yet. Perhaps someone has given an answer to this.

reply to post by Openeye

Do you usually put words into peoples mouths?

Where did I say they can solve complex mathematical problems?

Alright, fair enough.... Mea Culpa.

The article just reinforces the fact that they can solve problems, that's it, and that is all I claimed.

And, as I have already stated.... you seem to not understand what "Problem Solving" means.

Problem solving is about logical reasoning... not just "Doing something"

Your article has the ants finding the shortest route to food through a maze.... They don not understand the maze, or path optimization, or the "Towers of Hanoi", and it's ludicrous to think so.

They didn't solve a problem... they just ate some food.

Music is classically defined as organised sound, it has intent.

Are you saying that the Birds have no INTENT behind their music?

I was under the impression that Birdsong was an artistic creation to impress the opposite sex.... therefore... Intent.

The only possible way it could be described as music is from a place of pure aesthetics.

Music has harmonic intervals!

IT's all well and good of you to declare that music is proof of intelligence because of mathematics, and then disregard any music that doesn't fit your theory on what music is....

So very convenient!

What about a heartbeat? IT has harmonic intervals.

reply to post by LiberalSceptic

Though I have not read the entire thread yet. Perhaps someone has given an answer to this.

Yes, Here is one aspect: en.wikipedia.org...

I just had to post this vid showing some pretty d*#n clear intent of the sounds of a bird.
Amazing! The Lyre Bird.
Apparently some kid has been close to the bird with one of those raygun toys

reply to post by ErtaiNaGia


Thank you very much.
And please excuse me for posting before reading the entire thread. Sometimes one becomes a bit to eager

I can imagine that HIQ people would be among the more easy to bring together on a "list", since it is a category that allot of people would like to belong to, and membership in various groups are quite sought-after.

Originally posted by AlphaHawk
reply to post by ErtaiNaGia

 

What you call impotent, I would call benevolent, because lets face it, if they were anything but benevolent, they'd be placed in the same place as the Bilderbergers and the CFR, amongst others.

Evil scary guys out to get us!

But since you call them impotent, they mustn't be, all 110,000 members.

Including these two:

A Sacramento preschooler has become one of the youngest members of the high IQ Society of Mensa.

Four-year-old Tiara Abraham followed in the footsteps of her 7-year-old brother Tanishq, who joined Mensa at around the same age.

Tiara's parents said they had her tested after she showed signs of a high IQ. Tiara took the WPPSI-III standardized IQ test and scored in the 99th percentile.

www.news10.net...

Why weren't these two kids weeded out?

I'm confused, didn't you say to acquire targeting information to use to weed intelligence out of the gene pool, so that humanity will become progressively dumber, and easier to "Manage/Control" by the Global Bankers.?

They did an IQ test and their high IQ is being encouraged and nurtured.

Or... Tiara was weeded out... of society, out of common community and rounded up into the controlled environment of Mensa.

But I'm just quibbling for the sake of it, the argument to the above argument was rolling around in my head and wanted to be let out.

reply to post by ErtaiNaGia

Problem solving is about logical reasoning... not just "Doing something"

Well then I would ask when does "doing something" become logical reasoning?

Because arguably some form of reasoning is being used.

Are you saying that the Birds have no INTENT behind their music?

I was under the impression that Birdsong was an artistic creation to impress the opposite sex.... therefore... Intent.

Then you were mistaken. Birds do not "create" their songs they are learned.

Research has indicated that birds' acquisition of song is a form of motor learning that involves regions of the basal ganglia. Further, the PDP has been considered homologous to a mammalian motor pathway originating in the cerebral cortex and descending through the brain stem, while the AFP has been considered homologous to the mammalian cortical pathway through the basal ganglia and thalamus.[50] Models of bird-song motor learning can be useful in developing models for how humans learn speech.[52] In some species such as Zebra Finches, learning of song is limited to the first year; they are termed "age-limited" or "close-ended" learners. Other species such as the canaries can develop new songs even as sexually mature adults; these are termed "open-ended" learners.[53][54]

So all bird songs are forms of imitation, not that of artistic creation.

"Music" on the other hand is the product of creation, an intelligent agent actively designed the piece to be performed.

mu·sic [myoo-zik] noun 1. an art of sound in time that expresses ideas and emotions in significant forms through the elements of rhythm, melody, harmony, and color.

Music is not simply sounds (i.e. a dog barking, or a person speaking).

I can't see this happening at all. I mean, it's not like you're taken out and shot or sterlized if you have a lower IQ than average?