Citizen Hearing on Disclosure of Life outside of Planet Earth

Originally posted by MrFantastic1
UFO nutzoids need to get out of their closed little cycle in which all their information comes from XYZ little blog and ABC tiny message board repeating myths in a closed circuit loop and learn about the world around them; learn what words like "evidence" mean.

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Generalizing anyone who believes in aliens as a "nutzoid", well done. Trying to wind people up I guess, very mature of you. What are you, 5 years old? I hope you're still alive when the truth comes out, and believe me, it'll be ok in court if that happens.

You're scared of the truth I guess. It's ok, it's a big thing, I can see how it can make people flip out. But there's no need to act like a petty kid throwing around disrespect when it's a subject treated seriously by a lot of intelligent people all over the world.

reply to post by MrFantastic1


It's not our fault that greedy and manipulative powermongers (GovCorp, and yes, it's well known that they manipulate what happens in science. If you want to deny that then you have serious issues to deal with.) won't allow the scientific field to research this area properly and give it more respect. But of course, to you that's just me making up stuff to deflect from the "fact" that we're all a bunch of "nutzoids."

Wake up to the world a bit more I'd suggest. (with respect, of course.)

Originally posted by robhines


Generalizing anyone who believes in aliens as a "nutzoid", well done.

see:

You're scared of the truth I guess. It's ok, it's a big thing,

No, you are. You're scared at having to accept the reality that humans will have to act maturely, like adults, and solve their own problems. That there are no white-masked aliens about to swoop in to save the day. You're frightened about a world that is terrifying to you - that you don't understand, about which you're confused. You are desperately hoping there is some higher power guaranteeing your safety. You are terrified at the idea that all of this could be snuffed out in an instant tomorrow and no Pleiadians will rush to your rescue.

Time to grow up and face the reality of the human condition like an adult.

Excuse the horrible use of text speak which I deplore but for once I think its apt..

OMG

What have they done to my beautiful UFO circuit, it was small but mostly honest and now its filled with greedy loons and nut cases.

Greer, a charlatan hoaxer (and proud body builder.LOL), a man whose sole aim is to cash in on UFO stuff.

Nick Pope, a joke, a man who claims he was a chief investigator yet in reality he was nothing more than a filing clerk. He sits there spouting the same stuff but alters it a little to make him sound more important.

Stanton, used to have a great deal of time for this man but sadly he has become just one of the money crowd.

Its a small wonder that people refuse to take this seriously, running around in kids headbands, FFS.

It makes me so bloody annoyed, people like my wife and I who saw something we will never be able to forget or understand who get lumped in with this crowd, I seek no money or fame, I don't give a rats backside if people believe me or not, its mine and my wife's experience.

A small wonder why the government do not bother to release info, there's no pressure on them to do it when you have loons like these. I saw tech that was unlike anything before our experience and since, even the newest and most secretive craft had nothing on the thing we saw, I don't even understand how it was able to fly, the size was beyond belief.

But back on topic, sadly the speakers we see on these event's mean well but their stories often change, some have been picked apart but there's a core of them I do believe but what chance have they in this sort of circus..

Originally posted by cornucopia
my grandfather worked for nasa and became a director of mufon...

Greer said his uncle worked for NASA and he became director of CSETI

I have had close encounters of the second and fifth kind

So has Greer!

first case was documented with professional artist renditions...

Hey, again, just like Greer!!

I can communicate with some of us out there, can I prove this? maybe..maybe not for some, but can you prove I can't?

Holy crap! Greer again!!

You've been drinking way too much Koolaid, Corn!!

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So if these people at the top of the "circuit" are a bunch of greedy fakers they might eventually be rooted out. Or something might come along to make sure that their attempts to bring ridicule to others that believe backfires in such a way that they'll probably remember it very clearly for the rest of their lives.

It's 2013, not the 1950's, and things could change very quickly and very soon.

Originally posted by robhines
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So if these people at the top of the "circuit" are a bunch of greedy fakers they might eventually be rooted out. Or something might come along to make sure that their attempts to bring ridicule to others that believe backfires in such a way that they'll probably remember it very clearly for the rest of their lives.

It's 2013, not the 1950's, and things could change very quickly and very soon.

edit on 30-4-2013 by robhines because: typo

These people are rooted out everyday. After the last event "Dr." Phil Imbrogno was shown to have made up his Ph.D. The link I provided earlier showed one of the Ph.D.'s at THIS event got his doctorate from a diploma mill (www.parapolitical.com...). Each time one of them gets exposed there's someone waiting in the wings to move in and take their spot. It's a revolving door. And the UFO nutzoids patiently wait for each new character to take their place ... before, they too, slink move back into the shadows as they're discredited.

There's no central verification authority checking credentials - the UFO nutter crowd is so incidental and marginal on the fringes of society that media don't care. Sorry the discrediting doesn't get served up on a silver platter. But, if you follow this field long enough, you learn that - eventually - everyone gets discredited. Everyone.

Originally posted by MrFantastic1
No, you are. You're scared at having to accept the reality that humans will have to act maturely, like adults, and solve their own problems. That there are no white-masked aliens about to swoop in to save the day. You're frightened about a world that is terrifying to you - that you don't understand, about which you're confused. You are desperately hoping there is some higher power guaranteeing your safety. You are terrified at the idea that all of this could be snuffed out in an instant tomorrow and no Pleiadians will rush to your rescue.

Time to grow up and face the reality of the human condition like an adult.

Posting a picture of someone that even I think might have many issues isn't going to help you here. (Although he might actually be a decent guy, who knows?) Besides, picking out someone like that is a very old and well known tactic. You're generalizing again, did you not think about what I posted? Instead you're just confirming parts of what I said for me.

Sorry, but the most important thing to me isn't aliens, it's meditating. Something that if done properly makes you more aware of what's going on and also helps you deal with reality like an adult. In fact it's very good at doing that and it's been well known for thousands of years that this is the case. Science has a lot of respect for it too.

So maybe go back to what I said and have a think about it.

Originally posted by robhines
Sorry, but the most important thing to me isn't aliens, it's meditating. Something that if done properly makes you more aware of what's going on and also helps you deal with reality like an adult. In fact it's very good at doing that and it's been well known for thousands of years that this is the case. Science has a lot of respect for it too.

LMAO, I've done Vipassana meditation for more than 10 years. You can meditate and also be a sane, stable, rational, well-adjusted person who doesn't believe charlatans telling him about friendly aliens who want to offer a more efficient vacuum cleaner.

Meditating doesn't mean you have to be a kukoo lunatic out in woo-woo land.

Originally posted by MrFantastic1
But, if you follow this field long enough, you learn that - eventually - everyone gets discredited. Everyone.

It's very likely that this won't always be the case. You should maybe ask yourself how it's possible that a field like this which has unimaginable consequences for humanity if something is proven is in such a complete mess, and who benefits from this. I guess you won't, but there's always the chance you might do one day.

Look at the people running this planet and decide for yourself what they stand to lose if we find out that we're not alone. Please think about it.

Originally posted by robhines

Originally posted by MrFantastic1
But, if you follow this field long enough, you learn that - eventually - everyone gets discredited. Everyone.

It's very likely that this won't always be the case.

No, it's quite likely it will always be the case.

Pseudo-sciences usually die (see: alchemy).

Please think about it.

"woo woo woo! I don't need to deal with social problems - because I know space aliens will save us! I'm freeing myself of adult responsibility and going to live in my imaginary woo-woo land! wooooo!"

Originally posted by MrFantastic1
LMAO, I've done Vipassana meditation for more than 10 years. You can meditate and also be a sane, stable, rational, well-adjusted person who doesn't believe charlatans telling him about friendly aliens who want to offer a more efficient vacuum cleaner.

Meditating doesn't mean you have to be a kukoo lunatic out in woo-woo land.

This is exactly what I was trying to tell you in part, that I don't have to be insane just because I have an interest in this. Maybe we have our wires crossed?

Slightly concerned that you've done vipassana for 10 years and you're ridiculing people like this though!

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Originally posted by MrFantastic1

"woo woo woo! I don't need to deal with social problems - because I know space aliens will save us! I'm freeing myself of adult responsibility and going to live in my imaginary woo-woo land! wooooo!"

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I just told you I meditate. Maybe you don't understand how seriously I take my meditation and how much it means to me. (Anapanasati meditation mostly.) You're probably on a wind up though so fair enough, I'm not taking your bait to the point that I get wound up, I just find you confusing to be honest!

Metta

Originally posted by robhines
I just find you confusing to be honest!

With all due respect, is it safe to say you're frequently confused?

Originally posted by MrFantastic1
You don't have to be insane - you've made a choice. The woo-woo alien crowd are (mostly) not sick in the medical sense. They're simply not well educated and don't understand how to apply logical reasoning or critical thinking. They deserve our pity.

Ok, many people who follow this are living with huge delusions, I get that, but you're still generalizing. Not all people that believe in aliens have a lack of a decent education or mindset.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

Originally posted by robhines

Originally posted by MrFantastic1
You don't have to be insane - you've made a choice. The woo-woo alien crowd are (mostly) not sick in the medical sense. They're simply not well educated and don't understand how to apply logical reasoning or critical thinking. They deserve our pity.

Ok, many people who follow this are living with huge delusions, I get that, but you're still generalizing. Not all people that believe in aliens have a lack of a decent education or mindset.

True, some are just scam-artists trying to make a quick buck.

What difference is this going to make? The only thing it may do is put a bit of pressure on the military and the other departments of the government to release what they know, but I doubt this will happen. They are used to outside pressure, and by this point they are used to claiming that records do not exist, and that releasing information could compromise national security, and thus they are not going to be pressured into anything. Having had a sasquatch sighting, I love to use that as an example. It is obvious, if you believe the many witnesses who have given sworn testimony over the years, that certain government agencies have been involved in quite a number of sasquatch related incidents, yet they will not admit this fact.

It has not been agencies like the CIA or anything, but mainly environmentally based agencies, fish and game related, etc. My point is there has been testimony from people in the military and the government itself attesting to this very fact, as well as the fact that these animals exist, but despite this plethora of testimony, nothing is ever acknowledged. The same will happen with the alien question. Especially since there is the possibility that much of what is seen in the sky is of a military nature. I know that since there is abundant testimony of people claiming to see strange things in the sky, that there really are things being seen in the sky. It would be foolish and illogical to assume all of these people are lying.

But I cannot get past the fact that saucer technologies have been militarized by this point. Even before WWII there were saucer shaped crafts in the works, and I personallly believe that with all of the stolen patents and ideas from scientists drafted into military work, that advanced propulsion systems have been created. I do not think we would have needed alien help to achieve this milestone either. So I am just saying that it is quite possible what people are seeing is not alien in nature. But then there is also the fact that much testimony revolves around people actually seeing aliens. Granted however that this testimony is far less abundant than that of people simply seeing strange things in the sky. So my question is whether there is enough varied testimony, from enough people, to suggest that aliens really are being seen. Once a large number of credible people, people without a history of mental illness, people who maintain responsibilities and lead productive lives have attested to seeing alien beings themselves, then we really have to accept that this is fact.

But if that point has not been reached as of now, much of what is being seen in the sky could still be attributed to misidentifications, military aircraft, especially advanced and secret aircraft, ball lightning, lights caused by earthquakes or fault activity, and even other lights of this nature that we do not understand as of now. Volcanic activity, atmospheric activity, etc. could cause lights to appear in the sky as well, and possibly even move around and look to be intelligently controlled. I am not saying this is what everyone is seeing, but there is not really any way of knowing for certain.

So the main point I would like to make is that without a direct admission from the government, we will never know for certain, unless aliens land and make themselves known. So no amount of personal testimony, even if that testimony is accurate, is going to prove the existence of alien life. Even testifying before Congress itself will not get anything done, because despite the laws that are in place in the United States, the government agencies who would be in charge of dealing with aliens does not answer to Congress, the president, or anyone else. Well obviously there is someone in charge, but there is not any oversight outside of the organization itself, and maybe not even the project itself.

Originally posted by MrFantastic1
With all due respect, is it safe to say you're frequently confused?

Is this where you try to confirm or label me as one of the "woo-woo" people? I have confusion from time to time, I don't think it's that frequent. I'm human. You should maybe work on right speech too if you follow the eightfold path along with your vipassana.