Boston Bomber Photoshopped Leaving Scene

reply to post by amraks


I do get paid for it. Can I ask what photo-manipulation experience you have?

Can i guess "none"?

Thank you Rogue, I've been waiting for another professional to review this and give me some facts, thus far the only opposition to it I've seen is people like other simply saying "There is no evidence here".

I do still disagree with you, while the compression explains the patching artifact perfectly, it still does not explain the fingers, changed tone, and potential cloning of the brick wall. At most it is a contributing factor to the causes of these problems. What do you make of the fingers and arm being displaced? I found no evidence in the rest of the picture of such a thing happening. No motion blur, no out of place parts. What's the likelihood that only he has a compression artifact displacing an entire appendage out of a large crowd of running people?

Might I also point out that if someone doctored this picture, they themselves were probably a pawn, not a conspirator. I find it very easy to believe they would leave hints at their work out of bad conscience.

Edit: I've been working professionally for about two years, so I'm honestly far from you're most experienced designer, but I do it for money.. hence the word professionally, and I've never had a complaint from a client. Thank you for insulting me though, kind of you Rogue.

Originally posted by roguedesigner
reply to post by amraks

 

I do get paid for it. Can I ask what photo-manipulation experience you have?

Can i guess "none"?

edit on 27-4-2013 by roguedesigner because: (no reason given)

I have a bit of experience and I can tell you this photo looks tampered with. but I am not going to claim I am professional like you are claiming. Its like trying to tell a girl how big you shoe is over the Internet it sounds lame.

I can see no artifacts in image. I see a few motion blurs being used to smoothen off clothing "suspect 2" none of the other people have this around them.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


His presence there didn't make him guilty of anything either, yet they started a manhunt for him and his brother off of a couple pictures of them with backpacks and a video that may or may not exist. They are suspects the same as Dzokhar and Blue Robe Guy until REAL evidence is found. I'm not accusing anyone, I'm questioning everyone, for all we know, someone put that bomb there and stood right by it so we wouldn't believe a victim caused it.

reply to post by SkepticPerhaps


Hey Skeptic, if you took what I said as an insult to your professionalism then I apologise unreservedly for that. But for what its worth, you're right and I think this is something that people simply need to agree to disagree on.

Sorry Rogue, I misread

"I do get paid for it. Can I ask what photo-manipulation experience you have?

Can i guess "none"?"

Which was posted for Am. So I guess that's between you two.

As everything is, it's an agree to disagree subject in the end, but do humor me, I'm an open-minded person. You are quite educated on your profession, honestly more so than me, so what do you make of his arm being displaced? Can you honestly chalk that up to a compression artifact personally?

I'm not here to have a argument.
I am just stating what I see and its what skepticperhaps is seeing.
The suspect has so many things wrong with him out of all them people in that picture.
I know there is a few missing faces in that photo but that is due to smoke and distance of these people.

reply to post by SkepticPerhaps


To be honest I can't chalk it up to either argument, either for or against, and say with 100% certainty that I'm correct. Do we even know the original source of the image? Is it a still frame from a video file? That would possibly explain "ghost" artefacts, for example. The only thing I will say for certain is that we're dealing with a very low res image, with lots of noise, distortion and some heavy duty compression there. Personally I wouldn't base anything conclusive on it, but that's just me.

For the record, I'm always open to discussion on the validity of this photo. I believe it is doctored, but I've been proven wrong before. The point of this post is for people like Rogue and Am to post their opinions as Professionals and Amateurs in photo-editing, and give factual statements regarding photo-editing regarding the problems discussed in this picture. If you believe you have a plausible explanation for these things, please explain them in detail. Anyone saying "There is no evidence here." Or otherwise discrediting my claims without supporting statements will simply be ignored and shunned, as you are encouraging ignorance.

What a new and original idea for a thread! Thats crazy I haven't heard or seen any of this before. I wonder why it is only 3 people discussing it instead of the million people that visit this site. Maybe it is because you are a week late and most likely wrong.

I'll continue the search for it, but if anyone comes across the original source of this image, please post about your findings. Who took it, with what, did they put it online or someone else? These are the real questions left to answer.

To anyone who is withholding the desire to investigate this picture due to the resolution and compression of the file, I have only one thing to say:

Regardless of if this photo was doctored, they have used this event to further take away the rights of American citizens. Between tanks down the streets of Boston, lock down of an entire city, and a 19 year old American being charged without ever being read his Miranda Rights. If this photo is doctored, it's one of our last chances at fighting back against the tyranny surrounding us. No matter how extreme you believe that tyranny to be today, I know you can feel it, and it can only grow without us to stop it.

Originally posted by Haysues
What a new and original idea for a thread! Thats crazy I haven't heard or seen any of this before. I wonder why it is only 3 people discussing it instead of the million people that visit this site. Maybe it is because you are a week late and most likely wrong.

Or maybe because its a weekend and depending on the weather in some places, people are out enjoying their weekends.

were as, were I am its windy and raining. Not much to do than find out the truth.

So really you are sad just signing up to these forums and posting to this thread first, in disagreement speculating we are a bit late, who cares people are still looking at JFK footage.

go away and "c"hill some where else.

reply to post by Haysues


Most likely implies there's a chance we're right, which means you're joking about a potentially innocent 19 year old who may never be able to speak again if he gets to live past the next month. Similarly, this arose a week ago and has not stopped being debated since, I opened this thread because I had found more inconsistencies in the picture beyond what was originally mentioned. Namely the possibility the strap is completely visible as is, regardless of manipulation, as well two similar dark spots on the wall which fit together like a modified clone stamp.

Don't attempt to claim you're intention was to keep the forums cleaned up, if that was so you'd have been polite as well as left a link to another thread where this has been discussed.

Edit: And please no one give hate towards any of the suspects on this thread, no one has been proven guilty, and a 19 year old kid causing all these innocent deaths isn't a lot different from a 24 year old in a jet dropping bombs on civilians overseas. If he did do it, he's still just a kid, capable of change. Punish him and move on.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin

Who knows perhaps they once went to a “CRAFT” conference and got given a free hat. Or maybe its not even a CRAFT hat and the guy just wore a Punisher hat to work that day. Really it doesn’t matter because there presence there does not make them guilty of anything.

Lol, I'm sorry, I just had to repost this, it's still making me laugh.

Originally posted by SkepticPerhaps
reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin

 

Who knows perhaps they once went to a “CRAFT” conference and got given a free hat. Or maybe its not even a CRAFT hat and the guy just wore a Punisher hat to work that day. Really it doesn’t matter because there presence there does not make them guilty of anything.

Lol, I'm sorry, I just had to repost this, it's still making me laugh.

I am going to wear a batman cape to work Monday, you know its professional to do this.

But all seriousness hopefully someone serious can come along and have a crack at the picture.

In all seriousness what have you covered in this thread that the other 10's of threads on this topic haven't covered? Anything? I don't care about cleaning up the boards, that's what the mods do. I only posted because I think it's ridiculous to start yet another thread talking about the same thing when you don't even add anything new to the equation. And then to boot you have 2 people agreeing and 1 person actually discussing with you and you treat that 1 person like garbage.

Have fun you 2, talking to each other and giving each other stars.

Well I don't deny the brothers did it, nor do I deny that the bombs were real and did real damage, but in regards to the photo only, there seems to be something going on with it that is not correct. First, the guy who took it just happen to take one picture of the bomber and nothing else is a little hard to believe. Not taking a picture of the rising smoke or field of injured but one picture of the bomber is pretty damn odd.


This picture below also shows a problem with the lines in the brick wall that suggests the photo had been doctored. It leads me to think the photo is fake, more along the lines of someone trying to make money off of it more than a Government conspiracy doing a bad Photoshop job to support a false flag scenario.

I have to wonder why all the terror attacks have to be staged though.

I mean, either security is brilliantly good everywhere and that is why a real terrorist would never be able to execute their half-assed plan, so the TPTB have to use these patsies who have been brainwashed into their crazy acts.

Or the security is really lax and all the crazy gunmen and bombers are for reals.

Or the security is *made* lax just for that day to enable and facilitate some loon who the govt has been tracking for some time - so the terror act is real, but preventable - but not prevented so that TPTB can use it in their favor.

Which is it?

The high frequency of such attacks and also the fact that they seem to happen around times of great debate between governments and the electorate about how much freedom of movement to sacrifice in return for security makes me tend towards the problem-reaction-solution concept, that it is indeed being done on purpose.

Quite likely that these nutjobs are being tracked from every angle (internet, phone, and other surveillance) and the 'best possibility' is chosen, and the state "allows it to happen" in those particular cases, so that they can further their xyz 'nefarious agenda'.

I've already pointed out my new contributions, and I'll do it again.

The strap looks visible on the left side without any photo manipulation at all. It appears to simply be there, and I haven't seen anyone notice that.

I've also noticed a significantly similar dark formation of brick on the upper portion of the wall which looks cloned and modified behind him.

Can you show me articles or threads where these particular things have been discussed? I'd like to read them, no joke. I'm actually disappointed I've had two flamers come and go and only three people to discuss this, and only one has discussed one of the new contributions.

reply to post by Xtrozero


Best reply yet. That photo is wonderful, thank you for pointing that out, I didn't think to test the vertical alignment of the bricks that far back. I'd only done the horizontal.

Also I'd agree that it's quite likely this was done for money or publicity, but I don't see too well how, as it's all over the net, the original source won't pull much traffic overall, and it doesn't much matter - if - it's every version out there, as that means we still don't know what's in the real picture.