Why the biblical religions are dangerous?

i know i am going to gain a lot of flak over this post simply becasue many people are blind to the facts surrounding this. it is ofen a knee jerk reaction of many of the religious to take such exposure personal without researching the facts, but i am going to post this anyway, because it is key to understanding the danger we all face from ignorance...

so what am i trying to say exactly? well lets get a few things out of the way. no i am not an athiest, i just do not believe that the hebrew bible is a true and honest depiction of the creator. and i also have a background in theology and the antiquities, so i have been doing this research for a while. some of it i did for a thesis at a religious school, and i was told to either change my paper, or face severe reprecussions, so i left...and this was one of the many things that actually proved to me that this particular religious and theological school was no good, and that religion is anything but a friend of free thought and speech...

with that short introduction to my qualification on the topic i want to move on to the actual meat of this post.

so what is wrong with the bible and why do i not think it is a true picture of the creator? i think this hinges on several points, but there are a few that come to mind immediately and are going ot be the focus of this topic.

1. the old testament documents their god yahweh as being the most murderous and evil of gods in history if we take the bible as 100% truth, and that is counter to what modern day theologians have to say about the same god, who the basis of their religion is off of...they would have us believe that this god was always the same, and is all these good things, but the bible itself is telling on this, one only has to read it to find it out, and look objectively instead of through the rose colored glasses of doctrine and dogma...

so why is this god so murderous?

lets take a jog through history...where did the names of EL and yahweh come from? why are they important as a starting point for research> simple, they were not original to the israelites, or rather the judahites, the predate them. in canaanite theology or mythology, El was the chief of the gods...this was the one over the council of the gods, what was later referred to as the elohim...now this is a misleading word, because later to account ofr the israelites only believing in one god they had to misuse the word elohim, which is plural, and redefine it so that in its common usage it became another name for god...this is a deception and only part of the conspiracy behind it. but i digress a bit so im going ot get back on where the rest of these names came from...

El was the chief of the gods, and we also have the elohim, but where did yahweh come from? well, as many of the ancient cultures did, they attempted to explain the seasons, the sun and other phenomenon around them, the human experience in anthropomorphic terms, that is they gave these things human traits and bodies...they thought that by offering something to the god they could complete a transaction and gain favor, so crops would grow, the sun would shine, rain would water the crops, etc...but eventually, as with all religions, people become desparate at times and resort to very brutal practices...no religion i hav researched yet has excaped this in one form or another...and when it comes to war it is even more brutal in many cases...

well, yahweh was the canaanite god of war...he was bloodthirsty, this was the only way to please this god, by an offering of the blood of a sacrifice...why is this important to understand? well certainly they could not credit the creator, the chief of the gods El with killing folks, so thye did something much akin to the psychological mechanism we find in the abuse of the mind, called compartmentalization...this is what we used to call MPD, or now call DID (dissociative identity disorder) only this was to split off a new personage to account for these other things that were sometimes less desirable or even seen as an evil...it was a coping mechanism...

so this is where yahweh comes from, he is given a different personality from EL, and he has a totally different requirement to be properly worshiped...he required blood...

interestingly enough, this god el, had a son named adonai who was slain and sacrificed on the alter, and in commemoration people began sacrificing their first born to gain favor with the gods...this later became associated with yahweh, the god of war, and later still with another personality that was split off into the god molech...so it is no wonder that yahweh required abraham to sacrifice his own son, suddenly the eyes are wide open about who this god is...they have taken El, and recombined him with yahweh, and molech, but made sure they eliminated the child sacrifice portion of the deal even if yahweh himself still killed whoever he wanted to...(as we see in exodus and even later)

so why did israel or judah eventually choose this god of war?

the area of israel and judah have always been on the borders of larger empires and nations, and the land in between them was strategically improtant to many, because it contained the trade routes between the east and the west of the known world in that hemisphere...so it was constantly in a state of war, and many were fighting for the control of these trade routes...so, since this area was always at war with sporadic luls in combat where the people enjoyed peace, there was always this danger of war, of being faced with death, and enslavement, of being taken over by new masters who were possibly nastier than the previous government, so it is not hard to see why people would long for victory in battle and turn to this god of war, making him the centerpiece of their cult...

they also remembered the days they spent in egypt, and their exposure to monotheism there, which they equated with unity, singleness of thought, national identity, and focus...so it was a very natural progression for them to also think that one war like god would deliver them from the enemies around them...

so what did they do? they set out to force the cult on the rest of the people who identified themselves as israelites...now this did not happen overnight, nor was it the unanimous religion adopted by all in israel and judah, actually it was more gradual and after many years of regret, superstition over why they kept losing, and losing loved ones, and something had to be done...so they systematically, although never permanently, set out to destroy all the evidence that could link this god to the errible personalities associated with molech, and the true origins of Yahweh and el...(cont)

reply to post by studythem1

so why did israel or judah eventually choose this god of war?

They didnt choose Yahweh. Yahweh chose them.

If you think the Old Testament judgements were bad, wait till he returns. It gets much worse for those that refuse salvation, and side with evil.

You will curse Him instead of repenting because of what you see coming to the Earth. No point in complaining about the Old Testament, his wrath will be complete this time around.

interesting ... thank you for posting ... hope you have flame retardent clothes as the good christians will be along shortly to deny and call for blood as usual when they are faced with truth ... s&f

Could the OP please post some academic references to back up the claims?

Yahweh was not a Canaanite god as far as I could tell searching several sites on the Web, including but not limited to Wikipedia. Quite a few indicate this lack of connection specifically suggesting that it is a frequent false claim. There appear to be a number of other "facts" and allusions in the OP's post which are at odds with the same sites (derivation of Elohim among them) which are central to the claims in the OP.

I can't make the claim that any of the sites I visited are especially academic either, but they clearly have a lot more knowledge of the topic of Canaanite gods than I do. +They generally agree with each other to a large extent, but not with the OP.

Biblical religions?

Satan is the author of religion, NOT God.

You've confused Religion with God.

They are OPPOSITES.

God HATES Religion.

"...in the Old Testament, God actually calls religious people whores" ~ Jefferson Bethke

Originally posted by studythem1
religion is anything but a friend of free thought and speech...

You are correct about that.

Virtually every denomination and every Bible college has been infiltrated.

The easiest way to bring down a house is to discredit it from within.

"Every major religion in the world has been manufactured or infiltrated by the Illuminati..."

The Vatican has infiltrated, or neutered and spayed, virtually every denomination and organization in Christendom. Fundamental Baptists, and a few Brethren, Pentecostals, some Wesleyans, Bible churches, Orthodox Presbyterian, some Brethren, and all Fundamental Bible colleges. OPUS DEI-- War on Protestantism

The Real Conspiracy the Jesuit infiltration of Christianity

"...the goal is to infiltrate it with their compromising philosophies and attempt to destroy the Church from within."

Satan has infiltrated organized religion

Religion is a major tool of the Illuminati agenda

Where do you see Jesus in your theology?
Was He the Messiah depicted in the OT or was He something different?

I had some witnesses stop by yesterday And I asked them why they pray to Jahove. They were like well he was the creator. I said "huh Jupiter created the universe?". And I gave them a little lesson on research. I tried to tell them the word god comes from gad who is jupiter/zues.
Then I pointed out that scripture says the "messiahs" name will be the same as joshua's, or yashua, and that he said when he comes back just call on him and you'll be saved, so if your calling "save me jesus save me" he's going to wonder why your asking the gardner to save you and not him (no offence to gardners or people named jesus). Well this pretty little girl tells me its whats in my heart abd he will know. So to them you can call out any name and thats good. "save me fred save me". She said she wasn't going to entertain any of it cause she has been studying her whole life and is sure she has it right. She is a whole 16 years old.

I am beginning to think the op is right though,while haveing valuble info scripture seems to be a mish mash of stories from previous times. I think we are all playing a big game of "Bible" and the creators of the game are playing too but they wrote the rules so its fixed. Its all about a one world gubbermint and that seems to be where we are headed. One day we will bend to lick the boots of is RA el or no soup for you.

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Well, Yahweh is the beginning and the end. The praise and worship of Yahweh was corrupted by demonic teachings. In the beginning, even though Eve and Adam sinned, they still praised the true God.

However, angels started mating with women and teaching men false religions, demon worship and sacrifices.

So no, Yahweh was in the Beginning ( creation ), and he will be in the end, the only true living God. These other teaching are demon worship, either of the Nephilim and men of renown, or false teachings of Fallen Angels. Yahweh was before these false gods.

And then at last, the sign that the Son of Man is coming will appear in the heavens, and there will be deep mourning among all the peoples of the earth. And they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

I believe this will be one, the tribulation is finally over, and two, they finally get to see the true and living God and regret their doubt and sins.

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So for me, it's hard for me to really take these discussions seriously because Yahweh is the Beginning and the End, the Alpha and Omega. Most of these other religions were created falsely when angels mingled with men, and can be traced back to Babylon.

Just trying to give perspective. No insults intended.

Originally posted by milkyway12
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so why did israel or judah eventually choose this god of war?

They didnt choose Yahweh. Yahweh chose them.

If you think the Old Testament judgements were bad, wait till he returns. It gets much worse for those that refuse salvation, and side with evil.

You will curse Him instead of repenting because of what you see coming to the Earth. No point in complaining about the Old Testament, his wrath will be complete this time around.

edit on 27-4-2013 by milkyway12 because: (no reason given)

The venom in your post says it all It always amazes me how religious, caring, kind, compassionate saved people have this sinister nasty terrible, vindictive side. Just read any thread connected to religion on here and I am sure it will show. But back to the OP Can you give me a bit more info on the origin of this/these god/s please as I was of the understanding that it started way back some 4000 BC or so in sumer and the writings were then used by accadians (sp?) and away it went

Inducing the separation into types of people, then attaching labels to the sides. Once these groups herd together they conspire and begin to plot the others demise for the good of their own group based on fear and ignorance.

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If you saw venom in my post, then that is a personal perspective in regards to your thinking of Christians ( imo ), and certainly not what i was thinking or intended in that post.

It may be your perspective that needs some modifying.

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I am not angry at anyone for not believing the way i do. Honestly, it's not a big deal to me. I believe most people that are going to be saved are saved. I just speak on the subject because i enjoy talking about it. Your beliefs aren't my problem, and you can have it.

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Nope, your post, imo showed how vicious supposedly religious. peaceful people really are, it showed a longing for someone or something to come down and cause havoc and nastiness on many many people. To me it showed someone just hoping for torture to be delt to normal people. But don't feel too bad, as I said before, check out any religious post and the theme will resound through

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I do hope for the Son of God to show his face. All those beings willing to bow and be saved and repent of all sin will be removed. All those facing God's wrath are evil, vial, and side with the destruction and chaos of Satan. So yes, may all of you be destroyed during the tribulation that wish only sin.

However, God has given you one of the easiest ways out ... regardless of your sins... i mean, you dont even have to do anything except HOPE and try.

God told you thousands of years ahead of time he will unleash his wrath upon all of the EVIL in the world. All those left on Earth are EVIL and have chosen their side in the war between good and evil. Deny him, and you side with Satan.

This is why you will have no argument at the throne of judgement. YOU have heard the word of God and his warnings. You will die on Earth for his wrath upon evil, and then you will die the second death for eternity and be forgotten in the lake of fire.

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I mean he has told you thousands and thousands of years in advance what is going to happen and how to avoid it. So all of the GOOD will be removed, only evil will reside. ( Except for the remnant of Jews who are sealed. )

However, once the Tribulation occurs, you'll know what happened, and you can still repent. But you'll probably die during the tribulation for your beliefs. . God tells us many will know what has taken place, but will take the mark of the beast because of their weakness.

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No point in viewing the wrath of the old testament, it gets worse in our generation. A lot worse.

People need to stop looking on his wrath in all honesty, he gave you a way out of it ALL. God said you know what .. this is MY creation, i shall send my ONLY Son, innocent of all evil, to die for my creation that has become corrupted. I will suffer for my sinful creation, they will kill me, but i will show them i am Lord of death and Life and arise three days later.

Problem is, you dont want no part of God's salvation. Then the judgement that falls and the pain that tears through will be on your head alone. It is YOUR fault for the suffering you will face, sorry. Sounds personal.

Again, people forget that not ONE SINGLE person has to suffer during the tribulation if all of his creation repented. They would be saved if they just asked, and hoped on their Lord.

Originally posted by studythem1


so what did they do? they set out to force the cult on the rest of the people who identified themselves as israelites...now this did not happen overnight, nor was it the unanimous religion adopted by all in israel and judah, actually it was more gradual and after many years of regret, superstition over why they kept losing, and losing loved ones, and something had to be done...so they systematically, although never permanently, set out to destroy all the evidence that could link this god to the errible personalities associated with molech, and the true origins of Yahweh and el...(cont)

Thats all well and good but not born out even in their own history. They in fact rejected Yahweh while they were a nation or two nations more precisely and took up with molech and baal. There was no link between molech or baal with Yahweh. You need to spend a good bit more time in the history and the prophets of Israle before you fire off this type of nonsense.

For example, it was a total product of baal and molech whorship to burn children in the fire. Yahweh even asked them through a prophet "when did I ever ask you for these sort of sacrifices?".

I happen to believe that the Christs, or Buddhas, including Christ Yeshua, came to Free our minds from the religions, and show us the real way back home and ascension. And naturally they play a game with our souls, they used him to lead people to the wrong side, and lay seige to their souls. They grafted him into the bible. And for all intents and purposes, anyone that would become his Higher Self, superman in the system, to the extent of Christ, if those words and deeds were true, is definitely Immanuel, God/Goodness with us. But he also told us to pick up our mats and follow him and that which he did we could do and more.

Our hearts respond to the message of love and helping others, and then bang we read about Abraham trying to sacrifice his son and God telling Moses to set aside some men to swoop into their own village and kill their own families/friends/neighbors by the thousands for they had strayed. Of course I would have strayed too, I'd be running like mad, eyes bugged out in terror, screaming "They're psycho's!" and looking for a real Spiritual Belief and a safe place to be. Because THAT AINT GOD. Big Wings Help. Big Horns Hurt.

When one goes agianst their own discernment, and what they know love is, to follow a church or biblical authority, they won, they layed seige to a soul and overcame its discernment and sovereignity, and their God and heaven switched hats and location.

But they haven't won, for most people still think of God as The Highest Love and Goodness in Existence in the Reality and Truth and are not following the old testament.

As for who Els are, they're Annanuki, and they flew in Ruach's! So this isn't even about our true Spiritual Family, and Home. Its more about the cosmos. Oh, and they're not all Annanuki, unless that word doesnt differiate in Sumar, and Hopi land, because both cultures used it an ocean apart. If it means all who come from the sky then all Ets are Annanuki's and Els.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
Ex-Vatican Translator, Mauro Biglino's Alternative Creation/Translation Theory

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Excellent. Thanks for that insider-view of seminary training.

I agree with you. Karen Armstrong is one of the most prolific writers and speakers on this subject.
Check out her book A History of God: The 4,000-Year Quest of Judaism, Christianity and Islam
Free download PDF. This book will surprise anyone who hasn't had higher learning in the Abrahamic religions and how they came about and developed. Another great one is The Evolution of God, by Robert Wright. His writing is delightful and easier to read than Ms Armstrong's very serious scholarly work, but between the two of them there's a LOT of information worth knowing!!

When are you going to "(cont.)" ? Star/Flag. Thanks for contributing to the cause of denying ignorance and telling the truth.
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they also set out to eradicate any connection that yahweh had to his once consort, asherah, who was the goddess of sexual celebration, and was worshiped in the romantic high places where they planted a tree and people would openly copulate...this was not acceptable so it had to go...

here is an interesting thing though...her symbol just happened to be a 7 branched tree...and today the link can be directly made to the menorah, which is kind of a secret wink to her, even though most jews do not even know it...

it is also telling that in the temple mount there were, as recorded in the bible all these shrines and altars to all the gods i mentioned and more...they would be destroyed only to be replaced again...and this happened over and over, so israel was far from a monotheistic society, even though they would like to portray that in the bible, it was not true...the archeological record backs this up also...

so now that you know what the origins of judaism are, and ultimately christianity, and even islam, we are finding out who this yahweh, the god of abraham was, he was a god of war, a bloodthirsty god who demanded blood sacrifice, and dealt out death as readily as anything else...it is also strange to note that eventually the idea of hell came around, as a place of fire and brimstone, that all too easily connects to molech...and we also see the story of el or yahweh sacrificing his son adonai, as a direct source for the story of Christianity, and other similar traditions of a son of a god dying, or being sacrificed...

now on to the other reasons i think this is a very dangerous religious ideology that has branched off into the modern iterations or abrahamic religions...

the entire old testament is filled with killing...it was as if it was a national past time...i already mentioned that yahweh, or the other names he goes by, was the most murdering of them all, he even killed more israelites than any one character, and that record would stand til Hitler took the trophy in WW2...

so why is this dangerous? because, god is supposed to be cuddly and forgiving...at least that is what the preachers would tell you, or theologians, or doctors of theology...or even the average christian...

but they ignore all the bad things he did because, well he is god! so god gets to break his own rules, but we will find out that this hypocrisy is not just limited to killing...it is also true when it comes to free will...in genesis we find out that god hates free will, so much that he forbid adam and eve from learning the difference between good and evil...god had something to hide, so when they learned they were being bamboozled, and kept ignorant on purpose, he punished them...that is totally in violation of one of the assumed principles of the abrahamic religions, whic is we have freee will, that god gave us this gift and we should exercise it...but then if adam and eve did exercize it, why were they punished? why was the person who opened their eyes to the truth then punished also? isnt this the actions of a tyrant? to lie to us and keep us ignorant? to punish us if we find the truth? to punish those that break us out of our delusion?

now at this point i have heard peple say im a luciferian, and i can see where from a christian point of view this might be a valid idea, but im not advocating that idea at all...i believe that lucifer, or the illuminati of the day are actually the ones posing as god...why? they already demonstrated their use of a sceret society...the hidden meaning of the menorah and the practice of kabbalah, are just two examples of this secret society and rites they practiced in secret, and the face they showed the public in their surface lives ...

now why is this all dangerous?

lets look at the psychology of it...

an ambitious elite wants to control the levant to get the riches from the trade route and bring back the fabled glory of solomon, one which they largely politically concocted, becasue the temple was still a den of paganism even under solomon, and they still ignore the fact that peace time was usually the result of intermingling with the surrounding pagan nations that were just as pagan as them, until a sect keeps re-emerging and demands they all commit not only political suicide, but genocide to throw off their oppressors...they wanted to fight tyranny with tyranny...yep you read that right...


insane...

but what about where this insanity came from?

well lets look back in the old testament again for more clues...(cont)

and please wait for me to finish...already the zealots are attacking...

Originally posted by studythem1
1. the old testament documents their god yahweh as being the most murderous and evil of gods in history if we take the bible as 100% truth.

If you are talking about the Great Flood then He only destroyed the flesh of the nephilim.

The nephil spirits (ghosts, demons, giants, ancestral guardians etc) still existed after the flood, continue to possess humans and walk amongst us today as mentioned with Goliath in Numbers 13:33.

You say 'murderous' yet He sends in help 2000 years ago to guide us sinners back to His everlasting love.

This is a lot more than that predictable loser Lucifer has done in the past 20 centuries.

You have a choice now, Jesus Christ and paradise or the mammon in the lake of fire. Take your pick.

the problem with the psychology of the religion starts from the very beginning...we find that through examination of other texts contemporary or predating genesis that there are things not mentioned, and even that the text was redacted to better fit the politics and ideology that judaism finally became...and this was to make it appear to be one continuous work, but they were pretty sloppy at it, but this is not really a psychological issue...

the psychological issue starts in the portrayal of god...immediately after giving a summary of the origin of man, god is portrayed as a very mean spirited individual...who dislikes free will, and dislikes the truth, and punishes man almost immediately for trying to discover the truth...so adam and eve were trying to expose conspiracy, and this is immediately vilified...

but he does not stop there...

all through exodus, leviticus, numbers, deuteronomy, and on and on and on...it is clear this is not the god of compassion, that he kills just about as many israelites in the wilderness as he does anyone else...

this is a tool of fear...

this picture we look at without the cloud of propaganda, or the rose colored glasses of theology and fluffy marshmellows to blind us, shows a much more human god, one who is evil...one akin to an abuser or a pimp, or even the handlers who sexually abused kids under mk ultra...

the god of the old testament is a tyrant, and you had better fear him or you will die a miserable tortuous death, be killed by his followers, and your women and children killed or raped...and this is in the bible! no wonder people still have this mentality today that you had better not question the authority of the bible or the church or the preacher, etc...its the psychology of thugs and tyranny...

so it is no wonder why these evil types of men keep resurfacing over and over...they have tricked society into thinking that the psychology of fear is acceptable, and this opens the mind to tyranny...

and both Christianity and Islam have become the defacto heirs to this tyranny...

this is why these religions are dangerous...because in spite of the modern lip service they pay to freedom of speech, and thought, they actually do the opposite...

why is that?

because of the psychology of terrorism they drill into the mind through the old testament...

Constantine loved it so much he used it to forge the roman empire in his day into one cohesive unit...he already saw through the charade they tried to pass off as monotheism, but was actually the merging of some gods into one, and did the same thing with christianity...

does Christianity have to be this way? no...

it is only suspect because of what a tyrant did to it...

this is a problem, because most people would be lost without a compass if they did not have a book tell them what to do...

heres a clue...jesus taught, but he did not need a book...he traveled light, he did not walk around with a torah strapped to his back...

he was probably a lot different than what the composite of jesus became in the new testament, which was redacted and edited to fit this fear model in the old...

instead he taught, he used psychology much differently than the abusers of the old testament and the contemporary abusers of his day...the theocratic tyrants known as the sanhedrin who believed murder was ok as long as it was biblical...

he proved that you can change the world simply by being nice to folks, and you dont need a sacrifice to do that...


this is why they wanted him dead...becasue he challenged their theocratic tyranny...he debated with them in the temple grounds...he tried to get them to pick out the good in the old testament and forget about the abusive psychology of the pretender who claimed to be the almighty but was exactly the opposite...

they probably more than likely remade him into the same sacrifice to molech, a god they publicly detested but still secretly worship in their secret society, which has made its way all the way from israel to the bohemian grove...


so this is the source of all our woes to this day, the source of all the suffering on the planet can be linked to this tyrannical group of religions and its secret link to the very things they claim to detest and be against...

this is why the psychology of it all is dangerous, because it leads the "sheep" to destruction...it sides with them as long a they are useful, then vilifies them when they are not any more...it is arbitrary and unjust...

see any patterns here? CIA? Mk ultra? the illuminati?

if you do not then there is nothing i can do for you until you decide to decompress and deprogram...

that is all i have for now...