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New Rochelle Marine Disputes Defenders of 'Ground Zero' Mosque in New York City
By Robert Cox on Wed, 09/22/2010 - 15:17
(NEW ROCHELLE, NY) -- The ongoing debate over the controversial Islamic community center and mosque planned for the site of what was to have been a Burlington Coat Factory retail outlet in lower Manhattan, has left Peter Parente frustrated. Parente, 42, a U.S. Marine honorably discharged in 1993, was part of the small team of construction workers assigned to clear plane wreckage from the building located at 45–47 Park Place in the days after 9/11.
Sitting at the kitchen table in his modest three-bedroom home in the Halcyon Park section of New Rochelle, Parente is uncomfortable talking about the proposed community center and mosque. He said that his service in the United States Marines was dedicated to defending the Constitution and the American way of life, and while he recognizes the First Amendment right of the organizers to build a mosque on the site, he struggles with coming to peace with the plan. But his eyes light up and there is no hesitation when asked about proponents of the mosque who dismiss critics by claiming that the building is not really that close to Ground Zero.
"I was there", said Parente. "I smelled death. I tasted death. It was in the air that we breathed as we worked. Don't tell me that the building is not near Ground Zero. It was all around us."
WTC_DebrisField_150.pngOn September 11, 2001, United Airlines Flight 175 struck the South Tower of the World Trade Center. A part of the plane's landing gear and fuselage came out the north side of the tower, crashed through the roof of the building at 45–47 Park Place and down through two floors before becoming embedded in the ceiling of the third floor of what was a five-story building.
It was that piece of wreckage that first attracted Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, 61, the man behind building the proposed 13-story Islamic community center and mosque, to the site. The presence of Park51 "where a piece of the wreckage fell sends the opposite statement to what happened on 9/11", Imam Feisal told the New York Times last December before the controversy began.
For Parente, that wreckage is personal. Several days after the World Trade Center attack Parente was part of a crew from Forthright Development Company of Mamaroneck, NY, the company hired by Burlington Coat Factory to renovate the building as part of a planned retail store in lower Manhattan. When the building was struck on 9/11, Burlington hired Forthright to go back into the building where they had just completed work and remove the wreckage of Flight 175 from the badly damaged building.
Parente tells of arriving on the scene still worried about the fate of Michael Curtin, his close friend and former Gunnery Sergeant who had been in the area of the attack and reported missing. Sergeant Major Michael Sean Curtin's remains were recovered from Ground Zero in March 2002.
The crew of 15 men made their way into the building with great care, cautiously edging their way up the idle escalators to reach the third floor of the severely damaged structure. There was water everywhere recalled Parente. The sprinkler system had been activated when the building was struck and most of the store merchandise had been ruined.
"It was a mess. The landing gear must have weighed about half a ton and when it hit that building it was like one of those "bunker busters", slicing through the roof and straight down into the heart of the structure. It was sticking out of the ceiling on the third floor. All of us on the work detail got real quiet thinking about the people on that plane."
After securing the large chunk of landing gear with ropes, Parente and the rest of the crew pulled and yanked on the strut, rocking it back and forth, until the ceiling gave way. The landing gear came crashing down into the men's clothing section of the never-opened store.
Parente and the other men, pulled the strut away from the merchandise shelves, laid out boards across the escalator steps and set up winches to haul the plane part towards the escalators and then carefully lower it to the level below. To keep it steady while they lowered the strut down the escalators, Parente sat astride the strut to keep it balanced. At each floor they had to drag the strut across the floor, around to the other side and then down the escalator, repeating this process until they reached the ground floor. They then dragged the landing gear out onto Church Street where they had a truck waiting. The crew lifted the 1,000 pound hunk of metal into the back of a Ford Econoline van.
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Originally posted by GenRadek
Could it be possible, just possible, that the cable came from one of the elevator shafts from the WTC Tower as the aircraft punched through? What if a piece got snagged as it severed elevator cables in the chaos of the debris going through and out the other side? Just a thought folks.
Or as it was said here:
The commissioner noted that a piece of rope intertwined with the part looks like a broken pulley that may have come down from the roof of the Islamic community center.
Medical examiner to search for human remains amid landing gear debris near World Trade Center
edit on 4/27/2013 by GenRadek because: link
Originally posted by ParasuvO
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Originally posted by GenRadek
Could it be possible, just possible, that the cable came from one of the elevator shafts from the WTC Tower as the aircraft punched through? What if a piece got snagged as it severed elevator cables in the chaos of the debris going through and out the other side? Just a thought folks.
Or as it was said here:
The commissioner noted that a piece of rope intertwined with the part looks like a broken pulley that may have come down from the roof of the Islamic community center.
Medical examiner to search for human remains amid landing gear debris near World Trade Center
edit on 4/27/2013 by GenRadek because: link
It could be possible, just possible that this piece of the plane was one of the many super heavy pieces ejected far, far away from the buildings as they exploded violently in patterns that looked anything but a collapse.
I think you are on to something Radek, this piece as well as almost all the other pieces WERE in the Towers, until the most violent building destruction EVER SEEN flung pieces everywhere, and actually pulverized over half of the entire complex into a powder so fine, you would be inclined to think that gravity had become 50 times stronger suddenly, and with great anger and supernatural power rendered all the steel obsolete !
I guess this is how all of this debris was scattered all over the city , by the incredible kinetic energy that was harnessed , like a battery that kept getting stronger, STRONGER as time from the planes impact passed by !
It would be easy to see if this is even possible find out the height of the impact. Then you take the height of the building on the ground zero side. This is the distance the landing gear fell. Sense gravity is a constant around 10m/sec^2 you can figure how long the object was traveling. Now find out the distance to that building. Distance/time=speed. Now if that speed is lower than the impact speed and I'm going to say alot lower do to deacceleration from the impact and wind resistance than its plausible.
To do no damage to the top of the buildings no score marks on the wall and the very small width of the allie. It's like making a basket in bball not hitting the backboard or rim from hundreds of feet away. I was just stating if some one wanted to prove mathematically that's the way to do it. If your good with math you could figure out the vectors involved and find the angle at wich this object would had to have made its approach at in order to achieve not hitting anything. I can tell you just thinking it threw with a thought experiment the angle of approach it would have to achieve isn't realistic when coming from one of the planes impacting the WTC.
Originally posted by AceWombat04
Why wait over a decade to plant evidence? Why is it unbelievable that it went unnoticed for all this time in a back alley, but believable that no one could notice people planting authentic seeming (complete with serial,) extremely heavy debris in said alley? What benefit does its discovery at this time have in terms of bolstering the official story? What will this do to dissuade conspiracy theorists that the evidence prior to this didn't? What justifies the time, effort, and expense to fabricate this ostensibly fake debris?
I'm not asserting that 9-11 wasn't an inside job, because I'm undecided and skeptical toward both the conspiracy theories and the official story. I don't know what happened, and I would be lying if I said otherwise. I'm just asking questions.
Peace.
Originally posted by DragonFire1024
Oh hi. It's over 10 years later, but hey we just found this "clearly visible" Boeing landing gear. I guess what I learn from this: Don't rent a building in the NYC Financial district anytime soon. They don't get "inspected" for over a decade.
Originally posted by Cosmic911
Originally posted by CasaVigilante
reply to post by tommyjo
At first I thought it was 2 8's as in 6588 4045 But I think you are correct in saying that is it 65B8 4045
Howabout the letters though? are they to be read as - BOEING CSTG ?
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Death_Kron .........no offense was taken.
edit on 27-4-2013 by CasaVigilante because: (no reason given)
CSTG = Casting
65B84045 is the part no.
Depending on the aviation supplier you look at, it's either a clamp or holder.
Could that last 8 be an S?
Originally posted by Nyiah
I'm not in the camp that believes 911 was a FF or inside job, etc. I firmly believe it was sloppy bureaucracy & extremist whackadoodles that did it.
But this is just BS. There's no way after nearly 12 years that this just sat there unnoticed in a back alley in one of the busiest people-laden cities in the world. Maybe someone grabbed themselves a disaster souvenir back then, and decided to dump it now. Or maybe it is a stragetic placement of wreckage years later for whatever reason. Either way, it smells funky to have been "just found".
Originally posted by Onami
www.bbc.co.uk...
This is too funny, it also has the serial number of the plane. Good plant boys, good plant.edit on 26/4/2013 by Onami because: (no reason given)edit on 26/4/2013 by Onami because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Cinrad
My first thought when I read the headline was "that's right, its late April, they need to keep the terror going, keep the old wound open like, remind everyone of their deeds". The more trauma it causes, the more power they get out of it the sick bastards.
Originally posted by Cinrad
I only have free to air TV here which is about 15 channels. But I really couldn't find anything on last night that wasn't about death or disaster. There has been a disaster/apocalyptic movie on every day for the last few weeks, last night it was all about killing and two disaster movies.edit on 27/4/13 by Cinrad because: (no reason given)