The Orion Connection: Can we Deny it?

reply to post by CrypticSouthpaw


The only thing a crustal pole shift would do as far as the stars, moon, other planets and sun are concerned is change where they are in the sky.

They won't change how the constellations look. Only star movement will do that.

Where and when they rise and the RA and Dec coordinates would change.

However, there is absolutely no geological evidence that the Earth's crust has ever done a crustal shift.

A lot of people seem to think that our crust sit's on a mantle that is liquid rock. It's not. It's more of a plastic play-dough.

As Harte mentioned, if you try and have the crust suddenly slip to where we "flip" the energy release would indeed turn our entire crust molten. There would not be anyone to survive that.

If instead someone tries to suggest that it happened over millions of years, then all I have to do is point to the Earth's magnetic field (which does flip around). The direction of the field would not change since it's generated by our core.

It leaves it's mark on molten rock. We've mapped out the flipping of the magnetic poles just fine......and the rocks show that.
IF our crust were to "flip" over a very long time....that flip would be recorded in these rocks. We'd see the magnetic lines of force recorded in other directions besides North to South and vice versa. We'd see some recorded East to West, etc.

But they don't. Because our crust while moving around on plates, has not "flipped" to where the physical north pole is now the physical south pole.

reply to post by eriktheawful


www.cyberspaceorbit.com...

Not according to the Okanagan Natives who have the legend from Mu, and the tall whites, and how the stars and suns misbehaved while obvious crustal change occurred.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

There is testimony from all parts of the world that the side which is now turned toward the evening once faced the morning.

In the second book of his history, Herodotus relates his conversations with Egyptian priests on his visit to Egypt some time during the second half of the fifth century before the present era. Concluding the history of their people, the priests told him that the period following their first king covered three hundred and forty-one generations, and Herodotus calculated that, three generations being equal to a century, the whole period was over eleven thousand years. The priests asserted that within historical ages and since Egypt became a kingdom, "four times in this period (so they told me) the run rose contrary to his wont; twice he rose where he now sets, and twice he set where he now rises."
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Plato wrote in his dialogue, "The Statesman" (POLITICUS): "I mean the change in the rising and setting of the sun and the other heavenly bodies, how in those times they used to set in the quarter where they now rise, and used to rise where they now set ... the god at the time of the quarrel, you recall, changed all that to the present system as a testimony in favor of Atreus." Then he proceeded: "At certain periods the universe has its present circular motion, and at other periods it revolves in the reverse direction. ... Of all the changes which take place in the heavens, this reversal is the greatest and most complete."

Plato continued his dialogue, using the above passage as the introduction to a fantastic philosophical essay on the reversal of time. This minimizes the value of the quoted passage despite the categorical form of his statement.

The reversal of the movement of the sun in the sky was not a peaceful event; it was an act of wrath and destruction. Plato wrote in POLITICUS: "There is at that time great destruction of animals in general, and only a small part of the human race survives."

reply to post by Unity_99


Hmmmmmmmmm........

Physics and science.......or....... some folk tale.

Let me think on that one......I don't suppose the folk tale explains how the Earth violated the laws of physics and made KE=1/2*V^2 not true?

While I do enjoy ancient stories, and a lot of history is based upon the translation of many of these tales, there comes a time when a tale is just that: a tale.

You don't need to believe me if you don't want to, but make sure you don't slam your car into a wall because KE=1/2*V^2 seems to be alive and kicking for most mangled cars......crashed jets.....and many, many other moving objects that suddenly stop.........or takes a LOT of energy to move it, like the destroyed wall, tree..telephone pole.....that the energy from the car that hit it transferred to.

reply to post by Akragon


Interesting presentation, although allow me to present our evaluation in an easy to understand form that will reveal its meaning and purpose

The Giza Pyramids are engineered mathematically and celestially to a precision that equals the present, and because they conform to a precision that can only be attained in this knowledge, then it can be assumed that they would conform to the know standards, and be provable with math, geometry, celestial mechanics, and access to the interior chamber

The image presented in part for your review, shows that geometrical lines and references are visible in the presentation clip of our colleague, and that anyone with this knowledge can ascertain the same results using the standards of knowledge



What is not known is the significance of the Giza Pyramids as a date marker and positional reference, is that it marks the point where the earth passes the galactic and celestial cross

The significance of this crossing will become readily apparent, and all of the events that we are witnessing and experiencing where known thousands of years in the past, and the crossing of this point marks an important phase of the earth

Continue with your efforts, and consider the sound principles of reason that were applied to evaluate and arrive at this conclusion, and if you would like to consider reviewing our other samples and consider joining or participating in the public research

reply to post by Akragon


You my friend, are probing at the fact that our human history goes back WAYYY FURTHER than we've ever been taught. This subject fascinates me more than any other, and I've been studying ancient human history for the past 10 years. I suggest you keep an open mind to ideas of psychic-powers, reincarnation, and even "god" to help you understand how deep our history is. I also suggest taking an Afro-Centric perspective, simply because that's where our oldest, salvageable connections to humanity are located.

This video is a cool intro into alot of supernatural concepts and their relation to our history
www.youtube.com...

In conjunction with the above video, I HIGHLY recommend the "Metu Neter" series of books from author Ra Un Nefer Amen.

I also recommend the "Law of One" Material that is available in its entirety on the web. Ra's dictation can seem somewhat obscure, but I've found it to be corroborated by numerous other sources. I use this material for cross-checking.

I hope you enjoy some of the above material, and I hope we can figure this out together!

There were many records across the globe about the long day/night which lasted for nearly three days, where the earth stopped then somehow flipped. The Piri maps suggest the ancients knew our lands before the great Ice age, including the poles which at the time were lush and green.
There are no records on Earth showing that the Egyptians built those pyramids, the fact is if you were to take the pirameter of Giza and divide it by twice the height you get the exact measurements to the number of Pi, to fifteen digits !! Did the Egyptians even know about Pi ?
The fact also that the pyramid is dead centre of land mass of the world, how would a race of peoples know that unless they had extensive knowledge of the whole Earth at that point in time ?

Before the Egyptian pharoh which had a dream upon where he would re-discover the Sphinx which was buried in sand The Sphinx had a different face, which has been more or less proved, and it again proved it was much older than first suggested like the pyramids iit was the pharoh who had defaced it and put a tribute to his father on there, i would also suggest it was him who perhaps patched up the weathered pyramids, not built them.

Also the Giza at one time had a cap, not only that the side would have been smooth as it showed signs of chalky residue, no bricks would have been visable, so when functioning with the gold on the cap would have made it an awesome site, the fact it also kept Earths natural temp of precisely 68 degrees Faranheit is also something to consider, why would so much trouble be gone to for a tomb ?
The simple answer is, it wasn't.

Originally posted by monica1968
There were many records across the globe about the long day/night which lasted for nearly three days, where the earth stopped then somehow flipped. The Piri maps suggest the ancients knew our lands before the great Ice age, including the poles which at the time were lush and green.

The Piri map has been debunked so many times (and not just on here) that it's not even funny anymore.

There are no records on Earth showing that the Egyptians built those pyramids, the fact is if you were to take the pirameter of Giza and divide it by twice the height you get the exact measurements to the number of Pi, to fifteen digits !! Did the Egyptians even know about Pi ?

You see what you had to do there, right? You had to make the pyramid TWICE it's height to get Pi......twice it's height.
A more clever engineer would have made it so that you get Pi by using it's actual height.....

The fact also that the pyramid is dead centre of land mass of the world, how would a race of peoples know that unless they had extensive knowledge of the whole Earth at that point in time ?

This is one of my favorite ones.

There is NO center of land mass for the entire Earth. Sorry. Earth is a sphere, and you can not make accurate map of the earth by laying it flat to get a center, without distorting the map in the first place. Because of that:
I can make any spot on the Earth the "Center Of Landmass". This has been debunked here on ATS many, many, many times over.

Originally posted by monica1968
Also the Giza at one time had a cap, not only that the side would have been smooth as it showed signs of chalky residue, no bricks would have been visable, so when functioning with the gold on the cap would have made it an awesome site, the fact it also kept Earths natural temp of precisely 68 degrees Faranheit is also something to consider, why would so much trouble be gone to for a tomb ?
The simple answer is, it wasn't.

All sides of them were smooth. They were encased in limestone at one point.....most of which was pulled off and used to build a lot of structures in what is now known as Cairo.

Now.....exactly HOW do you think the pyramids were keeping the Earth's temp at 68 deg??

I think you need to go back and reread about the pyramids.....the temps INSIDE the Great Pyramid stays at 68 deg F.

Not the Earth.

reply to post by eriktheawful


Well i for one would take Albert Einstein's viewpoint on this, he himself researched the maps and was in his words "electrified" by the whole notion, he did a foreword to Hapgood's book, go to www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/oldsite/article.asp?ID=82

Originally posted by monica1968
reply to post by eriktheawful

 

Well i for one would take Albert Einstein's viewpoint on this, he himself researched the maps and was in his words "electrified" by the whole notion, he did a foreword to Hapgood's book, go to www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/oldsite/article.asp?ID=82

Most people would.....especially when he wrote that forward, plate tectonics had not been understood that that time.

Had Albert been around when they where, I imagine we would have seen a different forward.

reply to post by eriktheawful


What? Im not talking about flipping it. Im saying it drifts from different locations on the earth. Im not saying that the north becomes the south and the south becomes the north thats kinda rediculous.

But if you want to get in to crust layers of rock and what not. It pretty much jutts horizontally or on an angle.
The entire worlds rock is not flat and if it was we would not have mountains. So those poles moving and you saying that we would have evidence of it? Well we kinda do.

A pole shift does not the south pole becomes the north pole. It simply means that the north or south pole start drifting off to other continents. The north is still up and the south is still south. But the planet itself would shift. And If its any colsolation. The flood would of been something that would of screwed with the pole shift or perhaps even caused the pole shift. As the air currents were taken up by volumes of water. They had to be re-istablished, This is where theories of the moon comes in. Because the thing is we didn't have such a massive ocean before all that water kind of appeared on our planet from no where. Many theories mention the asteroid belt being a planet that was destroyed consisting of salt water. Which flooded our planet and increased the ammount of sodium causing droughts and deserts to appear in certain locations because to much salt in the ground and plants wont grow.

We know that many places in the passed were not deserts. And we know the flood is estimated 11,000+ years ago. We can put 2 and 2 together and find out that the reason why there is so little farming land on earth is because the earth at one point was a giant tropical ball. Basically a green planet. But that all changed and now we are blue -_- sigh. I hate blue.

If you still feel like arguing about the poles drifting here read this.

www.mnn.com...

It would be kinda dumb if the poles stayed still... Yet we had a procession. Kinda does not make sense.

Magnetic north shifting by 40 miles a year, might signal pole reversal The magnetic pole is moving faster than at any time in human history, causing major problems for navigation and migratory wildlife.

The magnetic north pole is currently shifting at a faster rate than at any time in human history — almost 40 miles a year — and some experts believe that it may be the beginning of a complete pole reversal, according to the Independent. The changes are beginning to cause major problems for aviation, navigation and migratory animals that use the Earth's magnetic field to orient themselves. Some airports have had to change the names of their runways to better correspond to their current direction relative to magnetic north. Ever since the magnetic north pole was first discovered in 1831, geologists have been tracking its progress. Unlike true north (which is marked by the Earth's axis), magnetic north is constantly on the move due to changes in the planet's molten core, which contains iron. Throughout most of recorded history, the pole has been positioned at or around Canada's icy Ellesmere Island, but if it keeps moving at its current rate, it won't be long before it sits above Russia instead. The thing that really makes the pole's current movement so unusual, however, is the speed that it is shifting. In the last decade alone, movement has increased by a third, throwing off compasses by roughly 1 degree every five years. Changes that fast have already caused major headaches for the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration. Tampa International Airport in Florida has just spent a month renaming all of its runways, which are named after the degree at which they point on a compass. Similar changes were recently made to runways at Fort Lauderdale and Palm Beach, and across the country runways now need to be renamed at least once every five years. The shifting pole may also become a grave concern for migratory wildlife, such as birds, turtles and other sea creatures that use Earth's magnetic field to navigate over great distances. It's unclear if these animals are capable of recalibrating their navigational instincts to compensate for the changes. The rapid shifting of the pole's position has prompted some experts to speculate that the Earth's entire magnetic field may be preparing to "flip," whereby all compasses invert and point south instead of north. It may sound radical, but in geological time, pole reversals are relatively common. Though they typically occur once every 400,000 years or so, it's been 780,000 years since the last flip. Scientists disagree on how a pole reversal would effect ecosystems around the world, but some alarmists warn of a planet-altering catastrophe, whereby earthquakes and monumental tsunamis threaten the Earth for decades. Though such radical doomsday prophecies cannot be completely ruled out, the vast majority of scientists are tempered by calmer predictions. "Reversals typically take about 10,000 years to happen," said Jeffrey Love of the U.S. Geological Survey. "And 10,000 years ago civilisation did not exist. These processes are slow, and therefore we don't have anything to worry about."

^ you were saying sir.


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reply to post by CrypticSouthpaw


You are talking about True Polar Wander which is well established (and would be a lot greater if it were not for our moon that helps anchor us, read up on Mars to see more extreme examples of polar wander).

There is NO evidence of global flooding +11,000 years ago. There IS evidence of areas that suffered major flooding as the last ice age came to an end. Ice dams that held back large volumes of water would suddenly give out and would help release these waters that would cause major flooding in some areas.
Other flooding was much slower as the sea levels raised as more and more ice melted that was on land (not on water.......when the ice in your glass melts, it does not make your glass water level rise).

Our oceans have been around for billions of years. Fossil records show this.

Where did our water come from? there are many prevailing theories on this, and the idea that it all came from a planet that the asteroid belt used to be is not even on the list.

There's a good reason for that:

There is not enough material in the inner asteroid belt to make a planet. There is only enough material there to make up only 4% of the mass of our moon, let alone a planet!

Here, some reading on it:

Asteroid Belt Formation

In 1802, shortly after discovering Pallas, Heinrich Olbers suggested to William Herschel that Ceres and Pallas were fragments of a much larger planet that once occupied the Mars–Jupiter region, this planet having suffered an internal explosion or a cometary impact many million years before.[23] Over time, however, this hypothesis has fallen from favor. The large amount of energy that would have been required to destroy a planet, combined with the belt's low combined mass, which is only about 4% of the mass of the Earth's Moon,[1] do not support the hypothesis. Further, the significant chemical differences between the asteroids are difficult to explain if they come from the same planet.[24] Today, most scientists accept that, rather than fragmenting from a progenitor planet, the asteroids never formed a planet at all.

reply to post by CrypticSouthpaw


oh gods, here we go again:

We have Magnetic Poles, and Physical Poles that are our axis of spin.

Please do not get the two mixed up!

Yes our magnetic poles move. The move and THEY actually flip (or reverse).

I'm not confused about that at all.........

reply to post by eriktheawful


Is it possible that the ice age could of happened Just after the flood?

That's interesting about the asteroid belt. But i have a theory that Suns absorb the 4 physical elemental states Gas(air) Light(fire) earth ( physical matter ) and water ( liquids and ice). From what i understand a sun is there to provide light and to stabelize an area of matter clutter.

My theory along with this is that when a sun absorbs to much debris it implodes on its own gravity, the force being strong and fast enough of a snap to rip each atom apart revealing its guts and sucking it into a singularity that is darkness around us.

If there ever was a planet there, Over time, would not the matter either be sucked into other planets and the sun? And only leaving some remains behind?

Because we did find fossils on mars. My theory about that is that water also flooded mars as well. But the conditions there are not well enough and the water was absorbed into the Iron and frozen in the caps. Perhaps the Atmosphere has chemicals that bond with the H20 to turn it into a nauxious gas. More like Acid rain that evaporates.

I have no idea tho just a theory.

Originally posted by CrypticSouthpaw
reply to post by eriktheawful

 

Is it possible that the ice age could of happened Just after the flood?

That's interesting about the asteroid belt. But i have a theory that Suns absorb the 4 physical elemental states Gas(air) Light(fire) earth ( physical matter ) and water ( liquids and ice). From what i understand a sun is there to provide light and to stabelize an area of matter clutter.

My theory along with this is that when a sun absorbs to much debris it implodes on its own gravity, the force being strong and fast enough of a snap to rip each atom apart revealing its guts and sucking it into a singularity that is darkness around us.

If there ever was a planet there, Over time, would not the matter either be sucked into other planets and the sun? And only leaving some remains behind?

Because we did find fossils on mars. My theory about that is that water also flooded mars as well. But the conditions there are not well enough and the water was absorbed into the Iron and frozen in the caps. Perhaps the Atmosphere has chemicals that bond with the H20 to turn it into a nauxious gas. More like Acid rain that evaporates.

I have no idea tho just a theory.

You are aware that there are stars much, much more massive than our sun, correct?

Stars

If your theory were to be correct, then it would have been impossible for any of our planets to form within about one light year from our sun (the sun's gravitational influence is negligible after that point).

While it is possible for material to leave the asteroid belt and spiral into the sun, the amount that we are talking about would be a massive amount. Such influence like that would have prevented the formation of the inner planets.

Would you kindly post a link that shows where we discovered a fossil on Mars? I would be greatly interested to see where I missed that news, as it would be 8 inch tall letters screaming head lines in papers around the world.

Most of the water that was on the surface of Mars is no longer there because it has sublimated as Mars lost it's atmosphere to where it is today, only a very small fraction of what it once was.

reply to post by eriktheawful


i was just referring to that thread on ATS where the rover crossed what appeared to be like a bone yard.

And i think that the Orbit where we are caught in the gravitation and pulled into a spiral. The way that i view this if a planet were to stop suddenly it would get pulled into the gravitation. Since the earth is being propelled around the sun as well as the other planets and comets. What im thinking is that huge hunks of frozen ice that lost its orbit when the supposedly planet blew up. Would just drift into the sun.

And yes its very interesting that there are much larger suns. But what i think is that those suns are made of different combinations of elements.

In my oppinion a sun will keep expanding until the planets around it have been outlived and moved on. The reason why i think this is because certain molecules can have varrying ammounts of density. So if you were to have a sun made of extremely dense elements than anything absorbed into it would be tightly compacted as its burned and converted into energy.

So in my oppinon again, I don't think this would require a set scale for suns. Some suns are hot blue, some suns are white some suns are red. From what iv read people call them stages in star development. But i just think those are elemental composites and how much matter its absorbing effect its radiance and scale.


If this process did not exist than we would be cluttered in to much matter. As matter is converted from dark energy and dark matter through extreme processes of energy transition and exchange. If suns did not have elements of black holes, than i can't really see the universe existing for very long. But i guess we are just begining to uncover these things so maybe in the future you may read about it in an article.

Originally posted by CrypticSouthpaw
reply to post by eriktheawful

 

i was just referring to that thread on ATS where the rover crossed what appeared to be like a bone yard.

And i think that the Orbit where we are caught in the gravitation and pulled into a spiral. The way that i view this if a planet were to stop suddenly it would get pulled into the gravitation. Since the earth is being propelled around the sun as well as the other planets and comets. What im thinking is that huge hunks of frozen ice that lost its orbit when the supposedly planet blew up. Would just drift into the sun.

And yes its very interesting that there are much larger suns. But what i think is that those suns are made of different combinations of elements.

In my oppinion a sun will keep expanding until the planets around it have been outlived and moved on. The reason why i think this is because certain molecules can have varrying ammounts of density. So if you were to have a sun made of extremely dense elements than anything absorbed into it would be tightly compacted as its burned and converted into energy.

So in my oppinon again, I don't think this would require a set scale for suns. Some suns are hot blue, some suns are white some suns are red. From what iv read people call them stages in star development. But i just think those are elemental composites and how much matter its absorbing effect its radiance and scale.


If this process did not exist than we would be cluttered in to much matter. As matter is converted from dark energy and dark matter through extreme processes of energy transition and exchange. If suns did not have elements of black holes, than i can't really see the universe existing for very long. But i guess we are just begining to uncover these things so maybe in the future you may read about it in an article.

edit on 29-4-2013 by CrypticSouthpaw because: (no reason given)

Last reply from me on this subject because we have completely derailed the OP's thread, which is about the pyramids and Orion's belt, and that's not fair to them.

There are many giant stars out there, and what they are made of is easy to see since the light from them can be split and the spectrum read. It shows what elements make up those stars.

Consistently and not surprising, the majority of them and other stars is made up of: Hydrogen. There are heavier elements there too as they hydrogen get's fused into these other elements, but not anywhere near as much.

The color of a star is dependent upon the amount of heat it has. That's just simple physics. Look at a blow torch when it's first lit, it will be yellow orange, then as the gas is adjusted it turns blue.

A black hole is formed when a large enough mass collapses in on itself. Our sun is not a large enough mass for that. The physics and math shows that you need at least 8 solar masses to have that happen. Much larger stars have that mass.

Our sun is so small, that it won't go nova when it dies. Instead, after it swells up to a red giant (because it's fusing helium at that point), will simply out gas. Ejecting large quanities of itself (forming what we call Planetary Nebulas), and will keep doing so until all that is left is it's small core.

Not sure where you got the idea that we would have too much mater. And I don't want to know, at least not in this thread, as we have derailed it and taken it way, way off topic. If you want to continue to discuss this, you should start your own thread on this subject.

Originally posted by eriktheawful

There are no records on Earth showing that the Egyptians built those pyramids, the fact is if you were to take the pirameter of Giza and divide it by twice the height you get the exact measurements to the number of Pi, to fifteen digits !! Did the Egyptians even know about Pi ?

You see what you had to do there, right? You had to make the pyramid TWICE it's height to get Pi......twice it's height.
A more clever engineer would have made it so that you get Pi by using it's actual height.....

And even then, the number that was claimed is not pi at all, it is the ratio 22/7 (it's closer to 22/7 than pi by a factor of over a thousand,) which is the result of manipulating the angle the pyramid was built at with the bolded portion of the naive post above.

BTW, this same calculation for Kafre's pyramid yeilds "almost exactly" three. And this is because the manipulated ratio for that pyramid is 21/7.

So, no pi at all in any pyramid.

Harte

Originally posted by CrypticSouthpaw
Obviously procession dosn't turn the world upside down. But there was said to be a pole shift last ice age.
That pole shift could of moved the poles to where they currently are. Egpyt has been linked with stone monuments of importance around the world through calculated meridians.

"There was said...?"

Many things have been said. Some of those things are said by idiots.

There has never been any physical pole shift since the crust cooled after the Theia impact 4.5 billion years ago, assuming that the giant impact hypothesis for the origin of the Moon is correct..

Harte