First Case Of New Bird Flu Found Outside China

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Then there is the very sad and tragic case of the young man in the above link from Virginia, USA, who appears to have died in similar condition to the policman in Germany and the young lady in Swansea.

Is this the usual manner in which flu kills suddenly and a regular pattern for the disease? I am no doctor and so not experienced in flu mortality but for this time of the year I would have thought flu would be dying out.

These sad cases appear to be young and fit individuals.

nothing but fear porn to help sell the vaccines that they are now about to tax... View the Jane Burgermeister videos for what Baxter and friends are up to... keep your immune system healthy... and turn off the fear...
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Deaths from the flu are normal. Mortality rates confirmed at 20-30% are *NOT* normal by any stretch of statistics or past strains. It may very well not remain this virulent, but right now? China has good reason to be downright scared ...and so do we if we're observant and intelligent. When a hospital with 100 known patients sees 22 die....it's a major major problem.

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Good stuff.

H7N9 has been out in the world for a good while - predictable that it's popping up in other countries, not just China. Looks like China's set to take the heat on this one though - they're on the defensive because of SARS.

Damage control: the spin.

Scientists confirm new H7N9 bird flu has come from chickens [tsk]

Yuen's findings do not mean all cases of human H7N9 infection come from chickens, or from poultry, but they do confirm chickens as one source.

…Other so called "reservoirs" of the flu virus may be circulating in other types of birds or mammals, and investigators in China are working hard to try find out.

…"Further adaptation of the virus could lead to infections with less severe symptoms and more efficient person-to-person transmission," the scientists wrote.

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So the H7N5 is a combination of three viruses and has been able to travel 400 km.

Do viruses normally 'combine' in this manner and could it be airbourne?

China will only be giving updates on their cases once a week now so it will be interesting to see what a difference occurs and hopefully a slow down or gradual disappearance as summer (hopefully) comes.

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So the H7N5 is a combination of three viruses and has been able to travel 400 km.

H7N9 has travelled a helluva lot further than 400 km - it first appeared in Minnesota in 1988 - since then it's spread to several countries in domestic poultry (trade) and wild birds (migrations). See: Organism Influenza A virus (A/turkey/Minnesota/38429/1988(H7N9)) EMBL ACZ48625.1.

The "triple" assortment refers to swine, bird and human virus hybrids.

Do viruses normally 'combine' in this manner and could it be airbourne?

Such 'combinations' seem to be happening fairly frequently now - but contrary to science dogma, the ability to swap genes between species, genuses, families and even kingdoms has been around since life began.

I personally suspect a less-lethal clade of H7N9 already is airborne in North America - but China's H7N9 version obviously is NOT airborne yet. ...If H7N9 recombines again, which it no doubt will, things could get very interesting, biologically speaking.

There are now 127 cases of H7N9 confirmed and highly suspected according to Flutrackers - and China just reported the 24th death. A 4 year-old may have caught the infection from his father. H5N1 bird flu is breaking rules too - heat usually kills flu viruses but Thailand reports H5N1 bird flu has developed heat resistance (like H1N1 swine flu).

China reports 24th death from new bird flu
4-yr-old whose father has bird flu also infected
Virus seems to have developed heat resistance

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That's roughly a 19% kill rate..........nearly the same as the spanish flu.

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This story is now going main stream, I wonder if it is to cause fear and panic or if there is really something to this one?

Originally posted by Elliot
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That's roughly a 19% kill rate..........nearly the same as the spanish flu.

spanish flu was only 2% kill rate.

reply to post by camaro68ss

Thank you. I stand corrected. I always believed it was 20%.

However, it appears that spanish flu killed at a 2.5% rate compared to a usual 0.1% rate.

This makes the 19% kill rate very troubling to say the least.

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This story is now going main stream, I wonder if it is to cause fear and panic or if there is really something to this one?

Hmm. 20% (H7N9) and 60% (H5N1) kill rates are something. People in China are panicked, not so much the rest of us half way round the world. Flu is not nothing, but nothing much can be done, not really - authorities know vaccines are a last ditch effort and come too late in pandemics. But there's nothing else they can do. That's why they do it. And we all know the problems with vaccines - especially the ones produced in haste.


FYI - H5N1 still hasn't gone away AND it's developed heat resistance - which means "flu season" is extended. ...What if H1N1, H5N1 and H7N1 start swapping a few select genes? Won't be pretty.
Virus seems to have developed heat resistance

And if you're really interested, nobody knows nuthin about H7N9.

Preliminary Report: Epidemiology of the Avian Influenza A (H7N9) Outbreak in China

CONCLUSIONS
Most persons with confirmed H7N9 virus infection were critically ill and epidemiologically unrelated. Laboratory-confirmed human-to-human H7N9 virus transmission was not documented among close contacts, but such transmission could not be ruled out in two families.

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I do not know what heat resistance means?

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It means that in warmer temperatures when the virus would likely die out, it may not die out as fast as it used to.
So anyone coughing and sneezing it all over the place, would leave the flu bug around longer for it to be picked up and spread.

M.

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Heat kills normal flu, so flu season is winter - the new strains are "heat resistant" and spread in summer. ...Don't know if that changes recommended cooking temperatures - but for sure cook eggs and all meat thoroughly.