Oz X-Files : “authenticated sighting”, “appear to be inexplicable”, USA “very interested"

Originally posted by Aleister
reply to post by IsaacKoi

 

Did you run across any aboriginal sightings, either in the period of the documents or in tribal tales or historical records? With the dark skies and large wilderness areas of Australia the aboriginal testimony would likely include both new insights and unique ways of describing the events.

I join everyone else in saying what a joy it is to see such a well documented, researched, and time-consuming thread. Thanks for thinking of this project, and, more importantly, following up on this large endeavor. A few Foster's raised to you!

Had the Same thought as you Aleister.

That would be a fantastic addition to this vast compilation of material. Undoubtedly, the Aboriginal people must have relevant information on this.

Not to sound ungrateful for the trove of data already presented here... but if Mr. Koi finds the time and resources to look into...I'm sure I can speak for everyone in that we'd love to see it.

Originally posted by Aleister
Did you run across any aboriginal sightings, either in the period of the documents or in tribal tales or historical records? With the dark skies and large wilderness areas of Australia the aboriginal testimony would likely include both new insights and unique ways of describing the events.

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Originally posted by topdog81
Undoubtedly, the Aboriginal people must have relevant information on this.

Not to sound ungrateful for the trove of data already presented here... but if Mr. Koi finds the time and resources to look into...I'm sure I can speak for everyone in that we'd love to see it.

Hi Aleister and topdog81,

Bill Chalker wrote a relatively detailed article back in 1996 entitled "Australian Aboriginal Culture and Possible UFO Connections" - see:
www.project1947.com...

Aboriginal myths incorporate the idea of "sky-beings", with the Wandjina being among the most interesting to consider. The Wandjina have been preserved in a fascinating oral tradition and in a large collection of rock paintings scattered throughout the Kimberley region of northern Australia. The paintings have received all manner of interpretations from stylised representations of a pervasive myth system to naive "ancient astronaut" theories. It is however fascinating to see that the indigenous tribes viewed the Wandjina as "the spirit in the cloud." Indeed, the unique painting style shows a logical sequence from human figures to stylised representations of clouds. This duality of anthropomorphic form and "clouds" is widespread in primitive cultures and finds an interesting parallel in the biblical accounts in "Exodus." While this line of thought is suggestive of superior "sky beings" acting as cultural catalysts for primitive societies, I should point out that making mythological component comparisons, can make for interesting exercises, full of emotive similarities, but are purely speculative. [1]

A video about the Wandjina legend can be found here:



In two posts on Keith Basterfield's blog at the links below, Pauline Wilson has written about a paper by Eirik Saethre entitled "Close encounters: UFO beliefs in a remote Australian Aboriginal community" (2007):

Part 1:
ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.co.uk...

Part 2:
ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.co.uk...

Pauline Wilson's review of Eirik Saethre's paper concluded:

This is a fascinating piece of anthropological research, and reveals some new pieces of data re Aboriginal beliefs on UFOs - at least from the point of view of one remote locality.

Eirik Saethre's paper entitled "Close encounters: UFO beliefs in a remote Australian Aboriginal community" was published in 2007 in the Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute (N.S.) 13 , 901 - 915.

I've found a copy of Eirik Saethre's paper online at the link below:
booksc.org...





The Australian government's UFO files include a relevant article by Ian Bryce entitled "The Aborigine and the Astronaut" published in the Australian Skeptic magazine in October 1982 at pages 4-7, which appears in File A9755 11 (Barcode 3533465) at page 65 of 274 onwards. I'll paste those pages below for ease of reference.






The report below (from File E499 C21-4-4 (Barcode 4081230) at pages 11-12) ends by referring to a reported sighting by aborigines)



Another report (from File J63-25 5-40-AIR Part 3 (Barcode 1878373) at pages 93-94) refers to a sighting by an "aboriginal Police Sergeant" and "most of the aboriginal community at the Domadgee Mission" who reportedly saw an object which the aboriginal Police Sergeant described as "a fire cloud in the sky shaped like a football".

reply to post by IsaacKoi

Very interested indeed. That one memo from the air-force attaché speaks volumes...

Especially the reference to forwarding any classified material to "Headquarters".


Thanks for enlightening the world in which we live IsaacKoi.

I am quite impressed and very grateful that you've given us access to his! S+F!!

Well, there goes my weekend. Bravo.

Originally posted by Vonotar
I am quite impressed and very grateful that you've given us access to this! S+F!!

Thanks for the kind words.

Several members of ATS kindly assisted me in this project during the last couple of months (particularly ArMap, Keith Basterfield, Giuliano Marinkovic and Kronz),

Great work Issac, I don't have the time go through it all right now, but I am looking forward to reading this... Thanks for putting this together.

What a MONSTER...

S&F

Thank you Isaac (star and flag of course), I am particularly interested in the Aborigine connection and your posts here on page 4. I will give myself plenty of time this weekend to dig in and hopefully give some feedback and thoughts. It's a long time since a thread has interested me as much, and thank you for helping (almost single handedly) to life the quality of the UFO thread...

askbaby
(skeptic)

ps. It saddens me that with months of effort - you have had relatively few responses, I will really try to give some thoughtful responses.

Epic Epic thread!

Wow. I already believed, but if I hadn't before - this would be a treasure trove of finds!

I still don't want them coming here to land - because I still think we're in deep doo-doo if they have to. I think they are waiting for us to play catch up. I don't think they want us around until we learn how to grow up and play nice with each other. Of course, we just might be the focus of scientific interest - or even food.

S&F and a millions thanks to you and your team. This is going to take awhile to sift through!

Blessings,
Cirque

You Sir, have the determination and skill that I admire and look up to, as well as everyone else who had a hand in this.

Thanks for doing it.

Hmmm. I"m trying to post this on my FB and it says this as the title

"Please don't post in this thread until I edit this message..Multi Part OP in progress"

Why is it saying this and not your title? I want it to say your title so people on my FB who are interested in this topic will look at it. If it says this they won't look.

Outstanding presentation, very well put together and laid out. There's quite a bit of great reading material here to look over, many thanks for putting the effort into organizing it. Nice work.

You mean its "Authenticated" - as in it's


1. Unidentified
2. It's appears to be flying
3. It's some sort of object

????

But is it little green men from a distant galaxy?

"The investigation of unidentified flying objects is understandably a tedious task and one in which the investigator may frequently have little faith or interest."

WOW,

Quick question though friend, How the heck do you keep finding the time to keep coming up with these quality threads of yours? You alone have provided this site with enough reading material to give any UFO researcher a hard on.

To anyone new to ATS and who is interested in the UFO subject I'd suggest looking through 'IsaacKoi's ' previous threads for access to lots (and I mean LOTS) of interesting files, always neatly categorized, such as in this thread.

I don't post very often at all here but i call in most days for a browse and so thought i would pipe up to give my appreciation for your efforts... Thankyou Isaackoi.

Originally posted by MadMax7
You mean its "Authenticated" - as in it's


1. Unidentified
2. It's appears to be flying
3. It's some sort of object

????

But is it little green men from a distant galaxy?

The theory is actually thus: if there is a manufactured craft.. an obviously manufactured craft (not just a dot in the horizon), and it say, performs maneuvers that no human created craft would be even close to performing, then the list of options on what it could be becomes quite short. Unless you buy into the "every craft that does amazing things has to be a black project" theory, then what is it? From another dimension? Another time? Maybe. But oddly the most logical explanation would be it's from another planet.. having been created by a race of beings more advanced than us.

For example, the Tehran sighting in the 70s.. or the Phoenix lights. Both craft that defy what we can possibly do (especially the Tehran sighting). And there are many others. Some people like to dance around with the "Well.. I don't know WHAT it was.. but I am not exactly saying it was from another planet" explanation. Not me.. I am firmly on the "if it does things we can't do, and it's manufactured, it's from another planet" bandwagon. Because it actually makes the most sense.

What a wonderful effort and body of work! I have been a ufo researcher for years but alas, I have never had the energy to undertake such a tremendous amount of work and could only dream of doing such. Thanx for doing such a splendid job! With my health declining rapidly, I have not put much effort into my ufo interests of late but glad there is someone that has...I sure plan to read any/all posts from this poster...I'm kinda a newbie too and wasn't aware of someone here that does so much...glad to find out about it.

I have been aware of a lot of the info presented here and of others as well. The French "Cometa" report and others. Keyhoe and so many others...Bruce Mcabee. There was a time I probably had the largest ufo Library of books ever but many moves later...not so much now. Anyhow, great topic/thread. Glad to see it here!!

OZ files by Bill Chalker is one of my best reads. Suggest anyone grab a copy.

I've been in contact with him to try get him on ATS live, if you are speaking with him get him on! And get yourself on whilst we are at it. The ATS community would love nothing better than to hear you speak of your most intriguing cases. I know there is no one better I'd like to hear from IK.

Cheers Zazz

Originally posted by mblahnikluver
Hmmm. I"m trying to post this on my FB and it says this as the title

"Please don't post in this thread until I edit this message..Multi Part OP in progress"

Why is it saying this and not your title? I want it to say your title so people on my FB who are interested in this topic will look at it. If it says this they won't look.

Hi mblahnikluver,

That was a temporary title for this thread while I was posting it. (In the past, I've repeatedly had problems with some people posting remarks while I've been in the process of posting multi-post articles - even when I include a request such as the one in that temporary title...).

I encountered the same problem on Facebeook myself. If you click on the that title in your draft post on Facebook when you can edit it to the correct thread title ("Oz X-Files : “authenticated sighting”, “appear to be inexplicable”, USA “very interested") or anything else before posting on Facebook.

IsaacKoi. I wanted to thank you and the other ATS members involved in this thread for the amount of work and effort that has gone into this post. _javascript:icon('')
This topic is one that is looked on with no small amount of scorn and sarcasm, and to present this information in the way you have is a credit to yourselt, those involved and the scientific method. The only way to change the way the UFO phenomena is viewed is is to approach the matter in a detached, and scientific way. Evidence and theories need to be presented for peer review and rebutal and need to withstand scrutiny. The need to investigate this phenomena properly and in the public eye is long overdue.
If they are spacecraft then, cool- What can we learn? If they are just atmospheric phenomena then, cool- Why does this happen? If its a meteor then cool- another reason we need a strong space program.
Either way we can learn something about the world around us.
Peace fellow travellers.