500+ Killed In Syria..

AMMAN (Reuters) - At least 109 people have been documented as killed and up to 400 more are likely to have died in an almost week-long offensive by forces loyal to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad on a rebellious Damascus suburb, opposition activists said.

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It goes on to say most were Sunni Civilians. You can blame the military, militias or just gangs with Religious hatred; either way, this madness must come to an end!

I still follow up every morning with a Google news search of what's happening in Syria, and my last 2 Syrian threads got 0 replies even though they were concerning scores of innocence murdered.

I'm pretty sure if 50,000 NATO troops were deployed in Damascus, whether it be via air or a hard-land offensive. Things would change pretty darn quick, for the better. No?

Except no one knows for how long..

reply to post by CALGARIAN


Interesting to say the least. Are there still independent journalists in the country? What became of the claim of chemical weapon use?

Gave you s+f-i'm not anti-American,just also agree that a wider worldview helps to keep things in perspective.

reply to post by CALGARIAN


Sadly and unfortunately most people who will even take time to read this will not even bother to respond as they are so far into what is happening in their own country that they cannot take the blinkers of their eyes to look around and notice that their IS actually a planet that their country is sitting on i am afraid.

I just don't know why international effort has not already been put into place to stop what is happening over there in Syria, it has been done for other countries... but, saying that and then again... we do know why!!!

Kindest respects

Rodinus

Originally posted by CALGARIAN


and my last 2 Syrian threads got 0 replies even though they were concerning scores of innocence murdered.

that's because most of us know that the US govt are funding the so-called "rebels" to overthrow Assad to take (steal) Syria, install central banks & GMO foodstuffs like Mcdonalds & McCain fruitsnacks.

just like Iraq

Originally posted by CALGARIAN

I still follow up every morning with a Google news search of what's happening in Syria, and my last 2 Syrian threads got 0 replies even though they were concerning scores of innocence murdered.

Don't give up collecting and posting the info Calgarian! There are plenty on ATS who read without posting. Everyone should be aware that this chaos is still on going.

Personally I'm uneasy at whats going on in the world at the moment. There seems to be a massive disparity between what is deemed headline news and what is actually going on. Some stories seem to grab the headlines for long periods of time, yet when you sit them side to side with other news stories, they don't appear to be any more or less serious.

Originally posted by Rodinus

I just don't know why international effort has not already been put into place to stop what is happening over there in Syria,

the international effort is ... the US govt are funding the rebels & giving them weapons.

paid for by usa taxpayers $$$$$

Originally posted by Covertblack
reply to post by CALGARIAN

 

Interesting to say the least. Are there still independent journalists in the country? What became of the claim of chemical weapon use?

That was Israel's way to see if the US would storm the place... but like everything Israel's says, we have to, you know, take it with a grain of salt and a huge shot of whiskey.

I know I'm supposed to be all humanistic and everything, but I have to say, the average American is probably really not that concerned with the mass deaths of folks who like to burn our flags and cheer our deaths. It's an awful thing to say (and even more horrible to admit), but it is the most likely reason the vast majority just don't give a damn about Syria or other such uprisings.

Death isn't something to take lightly no matter who is dying, but you'll find little sympathy or even concern, for it happening to folks most Americans consider no different than the two brothers who killed and injured many Americans just a week ago. The truth is a bitter pill.

I know differently, I've lived with those in the Middle East, and most are kind and gracious, but most do not have the benefit of that same experience...I'm afraid.

reply to post by CALGARIAN


The problem I have with these reports is they expect people just to believe the story they throw out. Anyone can say Activists are confirming the Assad regime are responsible but where is the hardcore undeniable proof? The source even says this a bit further down which only shows that the two sides are flicking fecies at each other again.

Syrian state media gave no death toll but confirmed the army had been fighting in Jdeidet al-Fadel. It said it had saved the town from what it described as criminal terrorist groups, killing and wounding an undisclosed number of them.

So we need to ask ourselves, were the terrorists hiding amongst the civilians like they have been, did the army just decide to slaughter their citizens or were these people simply caught in a crossfire? All of the above are possible.. That's all we have because these activists cannot provide anything to prove their case.. It's just pointing the finger and telling you too believe it's the truth.

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Yup, why I asked if there are independent journalists there, otherwise I don't believe either side.

Originally posted by Covertblack
reply to post by CALGARIAN

 

Interesting to say the least. Are there still independent journalists in the country? What became of the claim of chemical weapon use?

Reports ended up being Chlorine used by Rebels, as far as I could read into it...
IMO, if Assad launched massive Chemical weapons, we'd know about it.. front page.

Originally posted by infowarrior9970

that's because most of us know that the US govt are funding the so-called "rebels" to overthrow Assad to take (steal) Syria, install central banks & GMO foodstuffs like Mcdonalds & McCain fruitsnacks.

just like Iraq

Yes, you/we/NATO are funding them. Yes I know these weaspons are not just used to fight against the Syrian Army. Also, YES I know how "funding the rebels" in Afghanistan in the 80's turned out but that, IMO, was due to US involvement in the area after Russia left. Mainly Lebanon and Saudi Arabia. Repercussions, ladies and gents!!

Do you want the Syrian army and Gov't to regain full control again? What would happen then? How do you think the citizens would be treated day-to-day after they tried to take back the country?


Call me an arm-chair-warrior but... NATO HAS THEE MOST SOPHISTICATED AND STRONG ARMY IN THE WORLD. Let's use it for it good.

Originally posted by CALGARIAN

Do you want the Syrian army and Gov't to regain full control again? What would happen then? How do you think the citizens would be treated day-to-day after they tried to take back the country?

I talk to Syrian people all the time on twitter. They do NOT share the same feelings about their president as the west does (who are mostly influenced by western MSM).

The syrians blame the REBELS for the carnage and back their president (just like libya)

TPTB want Syria. Just like Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya etc etc etc and soon Iran.

Israeli mossad is not innocent either.

reply to post by CALGARIAN


Send them to Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya also because by the looks of things, nothing has improved in those countries either and that should be enough evidence to get out troops out of their and start focusing on ourselves. Check out the region over the last week or so. People are dying everywhere, not just Syria.

Israel worried

Speaking to the Institute for National Security Studies, a Tel Aviv think tank, on Monday, Gantz said the Middle East could “lose its stability” with possible fall of Assad and a takeover by jihadist elements.

He referred to the contentions by some Israeli obverses who describe Syria as the new and local Afghanistan and warned that strategic weapons in Syria could fall into the wrong hands.

The official warned that the war on Syria could bring about a “chaos” that will spill over into Israel.

Love how they sit back playing the good cop while the USA and co continue to fund these very groups. Pathetic.

reply to post by CALGARIAN


What makes me so angry, is the displacement of the people. These are usually the elderly, the women, and mostly young children. Not only have they had to flee their homes, they are now reliant of the good grace of this neighboring country. Of which, whom after the U.N. donations trickle out, those said countries start complaining clear and loud. Of course they never state the measly, and often sub-standard camps, and illness prevalent. So then the refugees have only fled the killings in one place to suffer (mostly in silence) of disease, hunger, and the elements. And , if they should raise their voices in protest about said conditions, they are quicly escorted to the nearest road ! But of course, the War mongering must go on. After all, rhetoric, resources, and religious dogma, must prevail over all other considerations. Since human life has become worthless these days, everything else is sacrosanct.

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Some of the refugees in Jordan have attemped to go back to Syria only to be denied by the Jordanian authorities. They try to bribe the refugees for money and in return they let them head back to their homeland. There are a lot of things you will not hear in the Western MSM.. It wouldn't surprise me if the Syrians were being treated like animals in those camps either.

Originally posted by Gazrok
I know I'm supposed to be all humanistic and everything, but I have to say, the average American is probably really not that concerned with the mass deaths of folks who like to burn our flags and cheer our deaths. It's an awful thing to say (and even more horrible to admit), but it is the most likely reason the vast majority just don't give a damn about Syria or other such uprisings.

Death isn't something to take lightly no matter who is dying, but you'll find little sympathy or even concern, for it happening to folks most Americans consider no different than the two brothers who killed and injured many Americans just a week ago. The truth is a bitter pill.

I know differently, I've lived with those in the Middle East, and most are kind and gracious, but most do not have the benefit of that same experience...I'm afraid.

edit on 23-4-2013 by Gazrok because: (no reason given)

This is quite sad in away Gazrok as because of what the media "likes... or should i say CHOOSES" to put out in order to get high viewing or listening scores, this has a massive impact on what the average viewer will hear or see on the TV, radio or internet, and i think that this impact is made more negative by the fact that the media just loves showing all that flag burning and death cheering...

The average viewer or listener of MSM has been brainwashed so much in my opinion into wearing great big blinkers like shire horses that they can see no further than the end of their nose, so to speak...

What a sad sad world we live in!!!

Kindest respects

Rodinus

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Well, what do you expect, when the other Arabs (the ones who don't chant or flag burn) make NO moves to discount this image of themselves? At some point, while most blame can be given to MSM, some has to go to the Muslim community at large, for failing to refute this image.

Originally posted by Gazrok
reply to post by Rodinus

 

Well, what do you expect, when the other Arabs (the ones who don't chant or flag burn) make NO moves to discount this image of themselves? At some point, while most blame can be given to MSM, some has to go to the Muslim community at large, for failing to refute this image.

You have a point there...

The way i see it, and please correct me if i am wrong is that unforunately the peace loving Muslim community in the different "hot spots" throughout the world are actually too scared to do anything about this type of situation for fear of reprisal.

Although it is not exactly in the same context, the Algerian war which ended in 1962 and had all those muslim people who fought to free Algeria from the ALF and sided with the French either had to flee the country with their whole families, or fear every single second for their lives.(i know this was a war to free Algeria from independentists but this would probably happen in all the other hotspots (Syria included) if the non-militants did something about their situation)).

And not to talk about the 'Arab Spring"... nearly every country who has witnessed this uprisal is still suffering from regular terrorist attacks...

It's a vicious circle in my eyes

Kindest respects

Rodinus

Originally posted by DarknStormy
reply to post by CALGARIAN

 

Send them to Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya also because by the looks of things, nothing has improved in those countries either and that should be enough evidence to get out troops out of their and start focusing on ourselves. Check out the region over the last week or so. People are dying everywhere, not just Syria.

Israel worried

Speaking to the Institute for National Security Studies, a Tel Aviv think tank, on Monday, Gantz said the Middle East could “lose its stability” with possible fall of Assad and a takeover by jihadist elements.

He referred to the contentions by some Israeli obverses who describe Syria as the new and local Afghanistan and warned that strategic weapons in Syria could fall into the wrong hands.

The official warned that the war on Syria could bring about a “chaos” that will spill over into Israel.

Love how they sit back playing the good cop while the USA and co continue to fund these very groups. Pathetic.

edit on 23-4-2013 by DarknStormy because: (no reason given)

It's interesting that Israel is 'worried' and concerned with the fall of the Assad regime.
Considering earlier they leveled what they claim as "proof" of the Assad regime using chemical weapons last month.

A senior Israeli military intelligence official said on Tuesday that Syrian President Bashar Assad used chemical weapons last month in his battle against insurgent groups. It was the first time that Israel has accused the embattled Syrian leader of using his stockpile of nonconventional weapons.

"To the best of our professional understanding, the regime used lethal chemical weapons against the militants in a series of incidents over the past months, including the relatively famous incident of March 19," Brun said. "Shrunken pupils, foaming at the mouth and other signs indicate, in our view, that lethal chemical weapons were used." He said sarin, a lethal nerve agent, was probably used. He also said the Syrian regime was using less lethal chemical weapons, and that Russia has continued to arm the Syrian military with weapons such as advanced SA-17 air defense missiles.

www.huffingtonpost.com...