Beck Breaks Exclusive Information on Saudi National Allegedly Connected to Boston Bombings

reply to post by butcherguy


My exact wording:
'deportation order' the '...' are there for a reason. There are other codes cited on that paper, if it's even legit... which I'm not convinced it is.

Originally posted by Indigo5

Link please? His facebook is littered with pics of him visiting Disneyworld, fan of the Ellen DeGeneres show and otherwise talking about how great it is to be here. He appears to be having a great time for a boy who doesn't want to be here?

Here's you favorite Terrorism expert Steven Emerson on C-SPAN. His group found Alharbi's facebook page, and at 4:37 he begins discussing what was on that page. LINK

This an interesting interview from week 1, with Walid Shoebat. Listen from 0:00 through 5:00 for great perspective from a former middle east terrorist turned peace activist. 4:45 Shoebat states that the Facebook was scrubbed, and describes a little about what was on it prior to 4/15. LINK

I am now wavering between if you are a liar or disturbed. As has been cited a dozen times on this thread and pointed out by the Gov. plus Becks sources now and the Blaze...becks own network...He was put on a "No fly list" until they talked to him and then removed within a day. He was on a "Watch List" for 24 hours....he is "not on a watch list" now...nor was he before the bombing...what are you confused about?...strike that...you can't be confused at this point...so that makes you a what?

Everyone needs to vet your proof very carefully. You have repeatedly linked news from last Thursday or Friday as evidence to dispute claims made this week. You ignore the fact that last week Napolitano sat before Congress, where she lied and obfuscated the truth regarding the status of Alharbi. Now this week, she goes before Congress and says something completely different, you take that as rock hard irrefutable evidence that we must accept carte blanche? I don't think that's fair. Her credibility is compromised, and many questions remain unanswered after her very narrow admission.

Wow...See the problem here is that this innocent boy doesn't have any terrorist connections. He has now even been vetted by the FBI to conclude the same...
So on one hand we have an innocent boy...even vetted by the FBI declared to have no terrorist connections and on the other we have Glen Beck...

Link please? When was he vetted? Now news out on this new fact. Irregardless of your opinion of Beck (I could link all the school shooters of late being liberals...is that Obama's fault?) your constant attacks to discredit him on ridiculous grounds suh as this really illustrate that you don't have ammunition to use against the evidence.

Originally posted by butcherguy

reply to post by Kali74

 

that this 'deportation order' was issued as soon as AlHarbi was a person of interest, I'm sure such is always the protocol.

You are sure?
Why would a deportation order be issued automatically when a person is listed as a person of interest?

Not that anything the federal govt does makes sense, but this doesn't make sense.

Fo effs sake...It';s been posted a dozen times....

This was a CUSTOMS DOC to prevent travel...the invalidate they Visa so he would be held if he attempted to travel. This Doc was distributed to ports and airports. I have no doubt they did this with any "person of interest" until they cleared them.

Originally posted by butcherguy

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by butcherguy

 

Standard procedure so they can't flee?

You order a person to be deported because you don't want them to flee? Deporting someone is assisting them in flight....

It would make more sense to take them into custody and question them, just like they do with an American citizen when they are deemed to be a 'person of interest'.

I just never heard that it is standard procedure.

edit on 26-4-2013 by butcherguy because: (no reason given)

Take them into custody and question them. That makes sense. They were there. Right?

Congressman Duncan agrees with you.

Originally posted by JuniorDisco

Originally posted by butcherguy

Why would a deportation order be issued automatically when a person is listed as a person of interest?

Not that anything the federal govt does makes sense, but this doesn't make sense.

It might be to begin the process from a legalistic point of view, in case it then has to be continued. So you can get rid of them quick in case you have to. I agree it looks odd, but there's a good chance it's just boilerplate.

If it is legalistic, in order to get the ball rolling, it shouldn't be too difficult to show how it happens a lot.

Like with Omar Rahman....

Rahman entered the United States on a tourist visa despite the fact that his name was on the official U.S. terrorist list. The Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) granted him permanent resident status as a religious leader. Preaching at three mosques in the New York area, Rahman quickly drew a core group of devoted followers, one of whom was linked to the 1990 shooting death of the orthodox rabbi and political activist Meir Kahane. In March 1992, Rahman was stripped of his green card and was subsequently summoned to a federal hearing on charges that he had lied on his visa application. An INS administrative judge ordered that Rahman be deported from the United States, but Rahman fought this ruling successfully.

Source

He was deported from Egypt.... then came to the US, even though he was on an official watch list as a terrorist.
He was already a terrorist, but they summoned him to a federal hearing to be deported.... but he fought it successfully... even though he was on a terrorist watch list!
So, you can see why I think something seems a bit screwy!

reply to post by Indigo5

This was a CUSTOMS DOC to prevent travel...the invalidate the Visa so he would be held if he attempted to travel. This Doc was distributed to ports and airports. I have no doubt they did this with any "person of interest" until they cleared them.

So the thing about him being deported is fake?
Or not?

This thing moves to fast to keep up with, and create relevant, accurate posts. By the time I craft an intelligent response it's another page deep! Argh!

Indigo I respectfully disagree wholeheartedly with your assessment. I truly feel that you have never entertained a single thought that these documents may be authentic and real. I have no agenda myself to want the documents to be misrepresents nor to be 100% true. I am coming at this issue as an American who wants to see the answer to this very question. I want to see the story concluded one way or the other. The evidence presented is of the same caliber and presentation the MSM uses every day in reporting news. But on this story it's 90% Beck's BS?

Fine for you, it's a free country. But for me, I don't discount evidence based on the messenger, when the message comes with attached documents and supporting evidence.

Steve Emerson said in an interview on Monday (iirc) that the "Saudi National" definitely wasn't the culprit. So either he's gone back on that because he likes being paid to be on Glen Beck, or he was wrong in the first place. Who knows? Whatever the answer, his credibility is not impressive.

Originally posted by blamethegreys

Originally posted by Indigo5

Link please? His facebook is littered with pics of him visiting Disneyworld, fan of the Ellen DeGeneres show and otherwise talking about how great it is to be here. He appears to be having a great time for a boy who doesn't want to be here?

Here's you favorite Terrorism expert Steven Emerson on C-SPAN. His group found Alharbi's facebook page, and at 4:37 he begins discussing what was on that page. LINK

You mean where on the FB subject he says "we didn't get into his personal ...uh..from the outside...some of his friends..uh" And he repeats often how outstanding the FBI is in investigating persons of interest and how he is only a person of interest and the FBI will get to the bottom of it quickly?

Originally posted by blamethegreys
This an interesting interview from week 1, with Walid Shoebat. Listen from 0:00 through 5:00 for great perspective from a former middle east terrorist turned peace activist. 4:45 Shoebat states that the Facebook was scrubbed, and describes a little about what was on it prior to 4/15. LINK

I find niether source credible...Savage or his guest...zero evidence...lots of conspiracy theorey..Simply just saying stuff.

Originally posted by blamethegreys

Everyone needs to vet your proof very carefully. You have repeatedly linked news from last Thursday or Friday as evidence to dispute claims made this week. You ignore the fact that last week Napolitano sat before Congress, where she lied and obfuscated the truth regarding the status of Alharbi.

NO...again...she was asked if he WAS on a terror watch list...an extension of Becks line of questioning...how did he get a student Visa if he was on a terror watch list. She explains that NO he WAS NOT on any list...but was put on one when he was identified as a "person of interest" in the bombing...then removed when cleared.

Is that not clear to you?

Misinformation? BS? Maybe not originating with you...but certainly propagated unwillingly?

“Before the [Tsarnaev] brothers became the focus of the investigation, authorities questioned a Saudi student who reportedly was on a terror watch list,” Mr. Grassley said during the hearing, according to the Blaze. “With regard to the Saudi student, was he on a watch list, and if so, how did he obtain a student visa?”

Ms. Napolitano replied, “He was not on a watch list. What happened is — this student was, really when you back it out, he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. He was never a subject. He was never even really a person of interest.

“Because he was being interviewed, he was at that point put on a watch list, and then when it was quickly determined he had nothing to do with the bombing, the watch listing status was removed,” she said.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by blamethegreys

 

It's big of you to admit you were wrong about something, however I feel compelled to ask why you don't understand that this 'deportation order' was issued as soon as AlHarbi was a person of interest, I'm sure such is always the protocol. He's been cleared. Does this not smack of Beck's typical everything and anyone that has anything to do with Islam is evil? Is that okay with you?

I do understand that the current story is Napolitano's testimony to Congress this week. Last week, the story was something totally different, protecting the truth about Alharbi with lies and obfuscation. That is my problem with the story...I am supposed to believe a witness who perjured herself just last week on the same topic?
And the questions raised by the info from the deportation order are far from settled. Did Alharbi have an event record from pre- 4/15? If so, wouldn't he have been (or should have been) on a watchlist/no fly list prior to being questioned?

There are some really superficial flaws in the official story that need answered, and the DHS & administration are not answering them. If anything they are stonewalling to the very best of their ability.

This whole mess is compounded by the media blackout on this story. In the most innocent scenario, the MSM has put all their eggs into one basket: The brothers acting alone. Revelations about this case could damage their credibility with the public. Even the news coming out about the older brother traveling to Russia is being carefully framed to not damage the official story established on week 1.

This mess stinks to high heaven, one way or the other. Beck is onto something. It's either incompetence at DHS being covered up, or (scarily) a conspiracy to aid Alharbi as a political move to garner favor with the Saudi government.

Originally posted by blamethegreys


Indigo I respectfully disagree wholeheartedly with your assessment. I truly feel that you have never entertained a single thought that these documents may be authentic and real. I have no agenda myself to want the documents to be misrepresents nor to be 100% true. I am coming at this issue as an American who wants to see the answer to this very question. I want to see the story concluded one way or the other. The evidence presented is of the same caliber and presentation the MSM uses every day in reporting news. But on this story it's 90% Beck's BS?

Fine for you, it's a free country. But for me, I don't discount evidence based on the messenger, when the message comes with attached documents and supporting evidence.

I starred your post above, and I think you're a polite and genuine poster. But nowhere has Indigo said he thinks that the document isn't genuine! He has said that Beck mischaracterised what it said and what it was, and that incidentally and as a result Beck should not be trusted.

Take Beck's insistence - and the insistence of some of the more obtuse posters on this thread - that anyone called Al-Harbi must have terrorist connections. It's absurd hyperbole designed to mislead.

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by Indigo5

 

This was a CUSTOMS DOC to prevent travel...the invalidate the Visa so he would be held if he attempted to travel. This Doc was distributed to ports and airports. I have no doubt they did this with any "person of interest" until they cleared them.

So the thing about him being deported is fake?
Or not?

During the crack-down on ports and airports at the time of the bombing...ANOTHER Saudi Student on a Visa attempted to travel. They discovered he was no longer attending school and turned him over to ICE. You need to be attending school for the F1 student Visa to be valid. They also determined this guy was no where near Boston when the bombings occured...was just a student etc. They tagged him for deportation...and the news and beck amalgamated the two stories together.

Originally posted by blamethegreys
This thing moves to fast to keep up with, and create relevant, accurate posts. By the time I craft an intelligent response it's another page deep! Argh!

Indigo I respectfully disagree wholeheartedly with your assessment.

"I am not following the posts or links....but they are all wrong!"

Originally posted by blamethegreys
This thing moves to fast to keep up with, and create relevant, accurate posts. By the time I craft an intelligent response it's another page deep! Argh!

Indigo I respectfully disagree wholeheartedly with your assessment. I truly feel that you have never entertained a single thought that these documents may be authentic and real. I have no agenda myself to want the documents to be misrepresents nor to be 100% true. I am coming at this issue as an American who wants to see the answer to this very question. I want to see the story concluded one way or the other. The evidence presented is of the same caliber and presentation the MSM uses every day in reporting news. But on this story it's 90% Beck's BS?

Fine for you, it's a free country. But for me, I don't discount evidence based on the messenger, when the message comes with attached documents and supporting evidence.

That's an old trick. If you can't disprove the evidence, then attack the messenger.

I think Janet Napolitano is going to prison.

Originally posted by Indigo5


NO...again...she was asked if he WAS on a terror watch list...an extension of Becks line of questioning...how did he get a student Visa if he was on a terror watch list. She explains that NO he WAS NOT on any list...but was put on one when he was identified as a "person of interest" in the bombing...then removed when cleared.

Is that not clear to you?

That's crystal clear. I just don't trust that particular source for reasons mentioned above. So here's where I am at: She has made a clear statement on the timing of the watch list placement and removal. Now the burden of proof is on Beck (or Congress) to allow that statement to stand or disprove it with evidence.
The issue is moot as far as we are discussing it until the players move forward. If Beck is correct about there being an existing Event file (being related to terrorism as he claims), then the issue moves to why the DHS did not have him on a watchlist or no fly list prior to 4/15. Without any further developments we are left at this impasse.

Originally posted by blamethegreys

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by blamethegreys

 

It's big of you to admit you were wrong about something, however I feel compelled to ask why you don't understand that this 'deportation order' was issued as soon as AlHarbi was a person of interest, I'm sure such is always the protocol. He's been cleared. Does this not smack of Beck's typical everything and anyone that has anything to do with Islam is evil? Is that okay with you?

I do understand that the current story is Napolitano's testimony to Congress this week. Last week, the story was something totally different, protecting the truth about Alharbi with lies and obfuscation. That is my problem with the story...I am supposed to believe a witness who perjured herself just last week on the same topic?
And the questions raised by the info from the deportation order are far from settled. Did Alharbi have an event record from pre- 4/15? If so, wouldn't he have been (or should have been) on a watchlist/no fly list prior to being questioned?

There are some really superficial flaws in the official story that need answered, and the DHS & administration are not answering them. If anything they are stonewalling to the very best of their ability.

This whole mess is compounded by the media blackout on this story. In the most innocent scenario, the MSM has put all their eggs into one basket: The brothers acting alone. Revelations about this case could damage their credibility with the public. Even the news coming out about the older brother traveling to Russia is being carefully framed to not damage the official story established on week 1.

This mess stinks to high heaven, one way or the other. Beck is onto something. It's either incompetence at DHS being covered up, or (scarily) a conspiracy to aid Alharbi as a political move to garner favor with the Saudi government.

Media Blackout has ended. Now 3 Million+ Americans know about Abdul Al-Harbi.

The Factor with Bill O'Reilly is #1 in the ratings.

Take Beck out of the conversation and you have nothing to argue I think. Let's just look at facts.

1. He was here on a student VISA. Pretty easy to figure this one out as to why his family sent him here, right?
2. Go buy a round for the house at any of those pubs and say out loud "This is for Abdul Rahman Ali al-Harbi for showing he is Boston Strong" Let me know how that turns out
3. I am not championing bigotry but if you can determine if someone likes Glen Beck by not asking him and just having a beer then you need to call DHS or Miss CLeo as they could use you help. The day after the bombing you had Southies in the street asking to crucify those who did it when caught. Next you will tell me Boston is not an Irish town...oh, they show it by the Tshirts BOSTON STRONG not BOSTON LOVES ISLAM.
4. Innocent survivor - Now, the director of DHS says he was put on a list(why), he was held in the hospital (he could not leave, this is a fact) and that same day he was then taken off? This is a horrible lie or it shows you that the government has the ability to tell anyone at anytime they cannot go somewhere. (talk about your rights in the hands of DHS..America should be worried)
5. You are still comparing this guy now to Beck. This is the problem. You should be looking into him not Beck.
6. So, the meeting with he Saudis by the SecState and POTUS had nothing to do with this guy?
7. How about the picture of him holding the golden gun? It is not guilt but it is also not the sweet loving Ellen supporter either you promote. A picture is worth a thousand words to some...


and remember, if they dropped the ball on the two suspects then you know they dropped it and there was a CYA. Sadly, since it is no longer a news item we may never know.

Originally posted by blamethegreys

Originally posted by Indigo5


NO...again...she was asked if he WAS on a terror watch list...an extension of Becks line of questioning...how did he get a student Visa if he was on a terror watch list. She explains that NO he WAS NOT on any list...but was put on one when he was identified as a "person of interest" in the bombing...then removed when cleared.

Is that not clear to you?

That's crystal clear. I just don't trust that particular source for reasons mentioned above. So here's where I am at: She has made a clear statement on the timing of the watch list placement and removal. Now the burden of proof is on Beck (or Congress) to allow that statement to stand or disprove it with evidence.
The issue is moot as far as we are discussing it until the players move forward. If Beck is correct about there being an existing Event file (being related to terrorism as he claims), then the issue moves to why the DHS did not have him on a watchlist or no fly list prior to 4/15. Without any further developments we are left at this impasse.

Bingo!

The answers to those questions can be found with Chief Watch Commander Maimbourg

and Watch Commander Mayfield.

That is a good question for today. Is this document real or fake?

reply to post by esdad71


Thanks for that crazy ramble without substance...It validates that my time spent here is in vain...I will let reality sort you folks out over the next week. I have no doubt that some folks here are entirely capable of the mental gymnastics and dihonesty neccessary to preserve both your own dignity and Becks.

Godd luck with that and peace..

Originally posted by esdad71
Take Beck out of the conversation and you have nothing to argue I think. Let's just look at facts.

1. He was here on a student VISA. Pretty easy to figure this one out as to why his family sent him here, right?
2. Go buy a round for the house at any of those pubs and say out loud "This is for Abdul Rahman Ali al-Harbi for showing he is Boston Strong" Let me know how that turns out
3. I am not championing bigotry but if you can determine if someone likes Glen Beck by not asking him and just having a beer then you need to call DHS or Miss CLeo as they could use you help. The day after the bombing you had Southies in the street asking to crucify those who did it when caught. Next you will tell me Boston is not an Irish town...oh, they show it by the Tshirts BOSTON STRONG not BOSTON LOVES ISLAM.
4. Innocent survivor - Now, the director of DHS says he was put on a list(why), he was held in the hospital (he could not leave, this is a fact) and that same day he was then taken off? This is a horrible lie or it shows you that the government has the ability to tell anyone at anytime they cannot go somewhere. (talk about your rights in the hands of DHS..America should be worried)
5. You are still comparing this guy now to Beck. This is the problem. You should be looking into him not Beck.
6. So, the meeting with he Saudis by the SecState and POTUS had nothing to do with this guy?
7. How about the picture of him holding the golden gun? It is not guilt but it is also not the sweet loving Ellen supporter either you promote. A picture is worth a thousand words to some...

Number 5. That is just it. He can't disprove Glenn Becks Event File so.......

no problem: Attack the messenger

I believe the famous Page 2: Abdul Al-Harbi is "Armed & Dangerous".

Who do you believe? Page 2 of the report or Indigo5?