Americans find Ayatollah Khamenei more honest: Analyst

I don't believe this for one second but I thought I would share to see what some of us think in the West. The Analyst made the remarks after Ayatollah Khamenei condemned the deaths of innocent people in the Boston bombings.

“Following Islamic logic, the Islamic Republic of Iran opposes any blast or the killing of innocents be it in Boston in the US or Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria and condemns it,” Ayatollah Khamenei said on Wednesday.

“The US is waging terrorist warfare against people all over the world and then when something like this happens in Boston, the media generates a huge outcry, whipping people up into a kind of a xenophobic frenzy blaming it on some others,” Barrett added.

The Analyst goes on to say that Americans are waking up to US governments hypocracy while also stating that 1/3 of Americans are also against their countries "Wars of Aggression". Though he may be correct to some degree, I still find it hard to believe that most Americans would look at Khamenei as some sort of saviour compared to their beloved Obama and friends

Press TV report

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But

Many American people just want to hear from an American leader , not that they are bigoted patriots , but because they have been taught to be proud of what their govt does. No matter what.

+ his comments like this keeps the hyenas from circling around Iran and showing teeth to Iranian people.

Peace

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I find the Iranian stance very interesting and not just surrounding terrorism. Whether its Khomenei or Ahmadinejad they seem to say the right things and when I compare them with the absolute crap we have to deal with in the West, I could understand why some people would see the Iranians as more honest that Western leaders. The Iranians don't seem to jabber on and get straight to the point.. That's the type of talk I like and our leaders should learn a few things from them.

I'm not sure how significant it is, but your source is Iranian State media. And with all the distrust we have, here on ATS, for any politician, how much weight should we give this?

Originally posted by charles1952
I'm not sure how significant it is, but your source is Iranian State media. And with all the distrust we have, here on ATS, for any politician, how much weight should we give this?

None, absolutely none. Just the same way we shouldn't trust our own media.

Yes. Yes. I find the dude in Iran totally honest.. So, by 'logic' I didn't know there were different 'flavors' of logic involved. Iran doesn't blow innocent people up. Gotcha! And then, another stunning use of logic. The U.S. wars of 'aggression'. Nice. I can assure the dude in Iran, his use of the word 'war', actually defies logic. Like, the 'war' on drugs, the 'war' on poverty, the 'war' on stupidity. the 'war' on terror. The last time the U.S. went to war, a guy named Roosevelt was running the country. Fact. In any case, I do not to pay attention to anything that anybody named "Ayatollah' would say. He just wants me dead. Fact.

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Thank you. I gave you a star. I'd say why, but you already having stated the obvious, why bother? Since you instantly identified 'propaganda' for what it is, maybe you could explain to me the concept of 'Islamic Logic' versus plain old every day 'Logic', because that one completely freaked me out !

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Dear CarbonBase,

Thank you for your kindness, now for the scary part.

I hope mideast weighs in on this, we're in the middle of a short discussion on another thread.

I think I can explain "Islamic Logic." Unfortunately, I believe it exists. (I'm being serious) Logic starts with a premise, it has to be as correct and inarguable as possible otherwise the entire argument crumbles. Great care has to be taken with the premise. I believe "Islamic Logic" uses the Quoran as the source of every premise. If it's in the book it can be used to build a flawless argument. Then, each subsequent step in the argument must be checked against the Quoran. If there is any contradiction that step must be discarded. And, finally, the conclusion of the argument must be checked as well. It also must not contradict the book.

It's not the way I prefer to think, but a lot of people have accepted it. I'm not sure that it is to their benefit.

With respect,
Charles1952

Originally posted by charles1952
I'm not sure how significant it is, but your source is Iranian State media. And with all the distrust we have, here on ATS, for any politician, how much weight should we give this?

The thing with most of the stories that come out of these media sites is that they can be verified somewhere else most of the time so I don't see why they should be any different to say a Western media outlet. Though they may throw in their own spin sometimes which may not agree with a Western viewpoint, I still believe the information provided is worth debate. All it is really doing is giving us a different perspective from the normal stuff we tend to chew up and believe all the time.

Washington Post

TEHRAN, Iran — Iran’s top leader on Wednesday condemned the twin bombing attacks in Boston, yet chided the U.S. for employing a double standard when it comes to drone attacks that kill innocent civilians.

“The Islamic Republic of Iran, which follows the logic of Islam, is opposed to any bombings and killings of innocent people no matter if it is in Boston, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria and condemns it,” Ayatollah Ali Khamenei told Iranian military leaders he was addressing in Tehran.

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Originally posted by CarbonBase
Yes. Yes. I find the dude in Iran totally honest.. So, by 'logic' I didn't know there were different 'flavors' of logic involved. Iran doesn't blow innocent people up. Gotcha! And then, another stunning use of logic. The U.S. wars of 'aggression'. Nice. I can assure the dude in Iran, his use of the word 'war', actually defies logic. Like, the 'war' on drugs, the 'war' on poverty, the 'war' on stupidity. the 'war' on terror. The last time the U.S. went to war, a guy named Roosevelt was running the country. Fact. In any case, I do not to pay attention to anything that anybody named "Ayatollah' would say. He just wants me dead. Fact.

I can understand people not taking Khomenei's words seriously but the guy or analyst is from the USA, not Iran.. As for him wanting you dead, really? What facts make you feel this way?

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Dear DarknStormy,

Please allow me to be more blunt than I usually am. It may be that I'm tired (it's 1:30 here), or maybe for some other reason.

I don't have any serious reason to doubt those words were said. Nor do I doubt that they were carefully crafted, as are every politician's words. Whaat I'm not convinced of is that he was serious or honest. What did we expect him to say, that he's glad Allah had struck a blow against the infidels? Of course, he's going to say Islam had nothing to do with it, no country in the Middle East had anything to do with it, there were no Muslims involved, but if any were they were the last two members of a fringe group. Everything's Ok here, you don't even have to think about us.

His words had the same meaning as a husband's does when his wife asks him if a dress makes her look fat. True or not, we know what he's going to say.

Please excuse what may be excessive cynicism.

With respect,
Charles1952

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That's fine and I understand your point..

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Do they not stand in the streets and shout 'Death to the U.S.A.? Am I not the 'Great Satan'? Is he not a Muslim Holy Man?. Actually, I know he wants me dead, because I was in the U S Navy for 20 years, and I was a spook.
Don't get me wrong, I find it perfectly acceptable for him and a lot of the people in Iran to want me dead.
It's common sense. It,'s called The Islamic Jihad. I get it. They have the right, no matter what they're motivation. to want me dead, because they know, I won't convert to Islam, ever. I won't 'convert' to communism, or national socialism, or fascism. I don't belong to a 'political party'. I ABSOLUTLEY do not go to church. But I will stand and fight for my fellow countryman, to the death. I will fight to the death for the Muslims that live in my country, not because they're Muslim, but because they are my countryman. I'm sure there are people in Iran that DON'T want me dead. I get it. It's not like my life hasn't been affected by a jihad. My ancestors were Native Americans. Tell me they don't know what a jihad is. Unfortunately, what's at the root of all of this, as always, is angry monkeys. That's all we are. And until we accept that fact, and understand what our history, as a species has been trying to teach us, then there will never be any hope for us. I was raised a Catholic. My parents choose my religion. I was beaten a lot when I was in Catholic school. It has served me well later in life. It's what made me understand what I need to know about spirituality. I am no longer a Catholic, or anything else for that matter. I don't need someone to tell me to be charitable, or compassionate, or honest or to respect my elders. I don't need a book to tell me that everything I can see, and that which I can not, was crafted by the Mysterious Hand of the Divine. My ancestors had already figured that out for me. But yeah, I know for a fact the Ayatollah wants me dead. His problem? I already know that I am dead. It's the code of the warrior.

reply to post by charles1952

His words had the same meaning as a husband's does when his wife asks him if a dress makes her look fat. True or not, we know what he's going to say.

َAnd if he doesn't , he is the one who stole your pen and is ignoring to talk about it.

That is 100 % logical.

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No one wants you dead ,

I am Iranian.

"Death to America" means death to all invasions and killings done by US govt.

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I find it interesting you feel thay way considering that Iran have not launched a war in over 200 years. And I agree defending your countrymen is the right thing to do but we need to also understand why others may feel the need to stand out on the streets chanting what they do. Simply because they want Americans dead is far from the truth. One thing I have noticed is they use a lot of Political figures when they are chanting and burning stuff. Does that mean they are directing their message at the people of Ameirca or maybe they people who are in control of America?

We need to look at the deeper meanings when we see these actions because they may not be directing their anger at you at all. Its similar to Hilary Clinton saying she is all for the Iranian people yet despises the Iranian government. Maybe the Iranian people are directing their message at the American government and not the civilians of the USA. When i think about it, it would make more sense considering they have no way of really getting to America to kill you.

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Guess again. You don't get to have it both ways, or are you speaking personally for the Ayatollah? Personally, I have had ENOUGH of war, and warfare, and killing. I wish only peace for the people of Iran, and all countries on this planet. I get it. I also have to be a realist. I didn't sleep my way through the twentieth century, and I'm still wide awake. I can also assure you, as far as 'war' is concerned, the worst is yet to come. The only thing new in the world is the history you don't know. Humans are completely predictable in that respect.

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So it's ok for Iran to have it both ways then? No, they can't really 'get' to me you say. They do have nuclear breeder reactors do they not? Ever heard the term 'asymmetrical warfare'? I get the fact you see me as a terrorist because the country I live in can go anywhere in the world, any time they want, and put a hurt on whoever they decide to. So can Iran. And don't tell me they aren't into violence, because, that's like twilight zone stuff. But tell me, since I am so ignorant about all things worldly, why am I always the bad guy? Because I was born in the U.S.A. I get it. Every person in Iran is perfect, it's the rest of us that are bad. got it. broken record, I understand.

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What do you mean by have it both ways? I don't see Iranians out knocking over countries trying to get to you and your family. But on the otherhand, the USA has pretty much surrounded Iran and now Israel want a piece of them also. Is it any wonder the Iranians might show a bit of anger towards the United States? You are on their doorstep and the people of Iran probably don't like it. Can you understand that or don't they have the right to defend and show a bit of passion about where there country is heading and who will take them there?

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Despite the horrifying picture that western powers have painted of Iran during the last decades,Iranians are not restlessly trying to destroy western civilization! or dream of invading the west cost of the united states or terrorizing the whole world every chance they get!,that is just absurd....This stuff is only good for propaganda purposes and perhaps a theme for a couple of B movies...Iranians have proven to be a peaceful,tolerant nation during the last centuries.There are not too many countries which you could say the same thing about.