Why does Boston celebrate Martial Law with chants of ‘USA, USA’?

Access to the area was limited to mainstream media representatives according to this guy. No independent journalists allowed.

reply to post by LikeAPen


Exactly!

This isn't some rural community.

This was area were EXPERTS were needed to apprehend a very dangerous individual!

Originally posted by spyder550
When was martial law declared?

When was the last time the U.S declared war?

Answer: more then 50 years ago

(do i really need to point out the rest ?)



It is about how it was in effect ,not declared.

Originally posted by sonnny1

* Some 1,271 government organizations and 1,931 private companies work on programs related to counterterrorism, homeland security and intelligence in about 10,000 locations across the United States.

* An estimated 854,000 people, nearly 1.5 times as many people as live in Washington, D.C., hold top-secret security clearances.

* In Washington and the surrounding area, 33 building complexes for top-secret intelligence work are under construction or have been built since September 2001. Together they occupy the equivalent of almost three Pentagons or 22 U.S. Capitol buildings - about 17 million square feet of space.

* Many security and intelligence agencies do the same work, creating redundancy and waste. For example, 51 federal organizations and military commands, operating in 15 U.S. cities, track the flow of money to and from terrorist networks.

* Analysts who make sense of documents and conversations obtained by foreign and domestic spying share their judgment by publishing 50,000 intelligence reports each year - a volume so large that many are routinely ignored.

A hidden world, growing beyond control

Seeing the above, the inefficiency, the waste, the red tape involved .... and people still think the gov't can pull off false flag operations with virtual perfection. People still think the gov't can do anything with any kind of efficiency. People still think the gov't capable of so much more than is the truth.

The above is quite possibly the main reason I do not jump to the false flag conclusion on the flimsiest of reasons...Our gov't has a great deal of trouble keeping secrets.

I logged into my FB account today and was sickened by the amount of "thank you, officers" pictures that were posted...i just dont get it....i know bombing and killing people is wrong...but this glorification of the police is just making me sick to my stomach! im ready to give up FB and just delete my account. I feel like moving out of the U.S. why do I feel so surrounded by extremely brainwashed individuals in my every day affairs?

Originally posted by lonelysoul
I logged into my FB account today and was sickened by the amount of "thank you, officers" pictures that were posted...i just dont get it....i know bombing and killing people is wrong...but this glorification of the police is just making me sick to my stomach! im ready to give up FB and just delete my account. I feel like moving out of the U.S. why do I feel so surrounded by extremely brainwashed individuals in my every day affairs?

So how would you have delt with the situation?

Originally posted by lonelysoul
I logged into my FB account today and was sickened by the amount of "thank you, officers" pictures that were posted...i just dont get it....i know bombing and killing people is wrong...but this glorification of the police is just making me sick to my stomach! im ready to give up FB and just delete my account. I feel like moving out of the U.S. why do I feel so surrounded by extremely brainwashed individuals in my every day affairs?

Last week I worked about 19 hours straight on an upgrade and maintenance project at work.
When I was finished various people said thank you to me for staying that long .
I'm not really sure why it's an issue that people who went above and beyond to keep everyone safe shouldn't get thanked.

If you want to say you have an issue with the idea of thanking someone just because they are a first responder might be wrong I guess you could make a case there. If you want to thank someone for doing more than is normally expected of them then I just don't see that as being an issue.

I like how the person in the video called the police the gestapo and seemed freaked out by a helicopter flying over it. Spend time in a major city and you will that mutliple times a week when criminals break the law.

Originally posted by muse7

Yes it was. Public transportation was shut down along with taxi service to reduce traffic. Everyone else was advised to stay inside their homes. They could still go outside at their own risk. The police were searching for a terrorist on the run armed with explosives and looking to take hostages.

Police state enforcement? Holy ^#%# do you even know what a police state even IS? I'm not sure you actually do. Here you are talking out of your behind about living in a police state.

If we were truly living in a police state, I'm pretty sure everyone on this site would be in some labor camp starving to death.

You lack a lot of common sense for a socialist. Maybe if godzilla or martians were to attack boston or some other city then YES such response would be appropriate. Everything about the boston bombing was suspect!

9,000 cops AND military units against one, two terrorists on the loose. I don't care if they had bazookas or even nuclear suitcases. It was absurd beyond belief! Can you name any other place, not in america, BUT IN THE ENTIRE WORLD WERE SUCH A THING HAS HAPPENED BEFORE? I doubt anyone can.

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So let me get this right. You are sick to your stomach because people are thanking the police for catching a terrorist? Whether you like it or not, these guys put themselves in a dangerous situation and got the job done. A cop was killed and others injured. If they weren't there then these bombers would be making more bombs right now and coming up with their next target. I usually lean to the left, but how on earth can you criticize people for thanking those who help keep them safe? Police officers aren't cyborgs enslaving the American population; they are people like you and me who risk their lives for us.

Ok, let's get rid of all the police and see how much better things are when entire cities are given the responsibility to police themselves with no restrictions. Hold on a minute, let me go pay the local gang members for protection.

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not sure I understand your question...maybe I didnt get my feelings across the right way. at first when this whole thing happened, it seemed as if it was a legit event. and to me, it still does. I think what bothers me so much is the way people accept the official story without questioning anything. im honestly having troubles expressing my feelings towards this. almost like the christopher jordan dorner case....they swept him under the rug and nobody seemed to take his story into account, they all just cheered the officers. the crooked ones at that.

im not saying the boston police are crooked...and I dont know how to explain it, I just get so sickened by the never ending posts by people blindly thanking the boston pd and feds for what? catching these two guys who probably had accomplices theyll never find? is that whats making me feel sick?

I dont know. but something is, and it isnt a case of the flu lol

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How many strawman arguements are people like you going to make? If someone does not agree with supreme overkill, then they hate the police? I actually like the police and the military. I don't mind seeing cops punch people in the face if they deserve it.

It is the people WHO RUN the police, the city and the federal government. The captains of the PD, the fbi directors, the mayors, the governors, the federal government decision makers. It is like criticising NASA when employees simply follow orders.

People follow orders. If the leaders are deranged, then everything becomes whacked. Not difficult to understand, is it?

Originally posted by FidelityMusic
All I'm reading in this thread are ignorant comments.

You all know for a damn fact they're celebrating the fact the suspect was caught, not that they could finally get outside. Boston is no exclusion to crime as the big city it is, these people couldn't have cared less about some 19 year old on the run.

All of those police were there to assure the suspect was caught as soon as possible. It wasn't a 9000 vs. 1 battle, it was a 9000 vs. 1 hide and go seek, and by the area and the city it's in, that isn't even a lot of cops.

edit on 20-4-2013 by FidelityMusic because: (no reason given)

It's always refreshing to see an intelligent person comment on these ignorant threads. I think a lot of people just don't bother responding to the paranoid and other people who need to get back on their medication. Thanks for speaking up.

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id like to apologize to anybody I have offended with my opinion. I respect leos and the point of my post was not tp take away from them, but to convey my frustration with the people I know on my FB accouny who never seem to question anything. I think what really makes me sick here is the years and years of conformity ive seen my friends or peers partake in. this is why I visit ats. although some opinions on here are batsh*t crazy, its refreshing to see people think for themselves rather than to see people posting "pray for boston" and "thank you officer" photos because its what everybody else is posting.

I dont believe a lot of these "thank yous" are heart felt by some of my friends here in florida. these are the same people that post things like "repost this or you dont love god". ugh.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
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How many strawman arguements are people like you going to make? If someone does not agree with supreme overkill, then they hate the police? I actually like the police and the military. I don't mind seeing cops punch people in the face if they deserve it.

It is the people WHO RUN the police, the city and the federal government. The captains of the PD, the fbi directors, the mayors, the governors, the federal government decision makers. It is like criticising NASA when employees simply follow orders.

People follow orders. If the leaders are deranged, then everything becomes whacked. Not difficult to understand, is it?

Well seeing as how I was responding to this quote in particular: "I logged into my FB account today and was sickened by the amount of "thank you, officers" pictures that were posted...i just dont get it...." I think what I said was warranted. They didn't say it was the head officials leading the operation, but the "officers." When we are speaking about police and the FBI, officers generally means all members of the force.

And how exactly was that overkill? It takes a large number of people to set up a perimeter and search an area. They occupied a town the suspect drove to after killing a police officer, caught him, and then left the area after searching for explosives and weapons he may have left. If it turned out that they didn't catch the guy or some kid blew up because they started playing with a home-made hand grenade, then you would be saying they were corrupt because they didn't search the area well enough. Yes, they wore body armor and drove around in armored vehicles. Why? Because they aren't cyborgs and didn't know exactly what the kid was packing. It is also easier to transport equipment, supplies, and people when you have vehicles. Not difficult to understand, is it?

They have the suspect alive and can question him on his motives and whether or not he had more help. Even if his throat is injured he has hands right? He can write.

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Understood, it's cool. I'm from the area and have family who live there, so this whole situation has put everyone here a little on edge. It's just frustrating when people are just genuinely happy that the people were caught and they are being called sheeple because they set aside their daily activities for one day so the cops could catch this guy.

reply to post by LikeAPen


Please name one other place where one or two terrorist suspects have immobilised an entire city like this? Maybe in ex-communist or nazi nations, that is about it.

The officers have guns, correct? They also have CB radio? They see something suspicious they radio in for help. Citizens also offer assistance to the police if they know the details of what to look for.

They didn't have to catch him in one day, two days or even a month. What exactly was the rush? If the terrorist was planning another terrorist attack then chances are he would have been apprehended rather easily because people were smarter the second time.

There are people on the fbi's most wanted list that get caught after 10 years. So what???

Neformore:

Put your hands up if you really want to die at the hands of an idiot who has no problem with blowing up a street full of people or killing a cop, has no problems with car jacking someone and who may very well be armed and dangerous, wearing a suicide vest and could have remote triggers to any number of devices around a city. OK. Which of your family members do you want to die at that persons hands as they are hop-skipping and jumping down the street in la-la land while this guy is on the loose in their neighbourhood? Maybe your work colleagues? Come on folks - who do you want to see die?

Strawman scenarios that deride your own thought processes. No one in their right mind would wish anything of the situations you provide here, it's a false argument. To see you as a 'Super Moderator' use such a tactic is quite disappointing. I would expect a more reasonable and qualified approach.

You may find a number of posts here infuriating and frustrating, I know I do, but if there's one thing I am sure about regarding the scale of the man-hunt in Boston was how wholly inappropriate and disproportionate to the threat it was, and how ultimately it failed to secure the suspect.

Of course martial law was never declared, but elements of it were used around common sense applications to make the presence of soldier-garbed law enforcers, armoured vehicles, and the sheer number of them more palatable to the local population. The argument is based on what is necessary and what is appropriate to the threat, and what one is willing to accept for so-called safety and security. I believe that even if martial law had been declared, there would still be many whom would agree that it was necessary, and that the inconvenience it caused was nothing more than a mere trifle. I think that should be a real concern for discussion.

Using Boston as an example for concern on rights and liberties is always going to be a problematic appeal. The small number of 'martial law' elements that were applied were not done so in the uncompromising fashion that a full declaration of martial law would be. Nothing was forced, it was all coercion through agreeable and seemingly reasonable benign tactics of keeping the public safe and secure. Who would argue against that?

If people are willing to accept a temporary degree of suspension on their rights and liberties against a temporary threat (real or non-real), one wonders what they would accept to a permanent one? It's almost a cliche now that if you can scare people enough with the right threat, you can get them to agree to any suspension of rights and liberties. Of course, they want them back when the threat is over with, but if you allow yourself to acclimatize to this switching on and off of rights and liberties, and come to perceive them as nothing more than inconveniences, you are not going to bat an eyelid on the day when martial law is declared, and there's no intention of the people's rights and liberties being returned. Wasn't the Constituiton written with this in mind? Perhaps, in modern day terms, it's the Constitution that is inconvenient, that it gets in the way of the people's safety and security, against enemies foreign and domestic?

Admittedly, this is an extreme example of concern, but is no less a threat than the bogey man on the otherside of the world Americans are expected to fear.

Your post is just another simple loaded question. There was no martial law. People cheered because they were happy the d bag was caught. Sometimes the answer is just that simple

Originally posted by elysiumfire

You may find a number of posts here infuriating and frustrating, I know I do, but if there's one thing I am sure about regarding the scale of the man-hunt in Boston was how wholly inappropriate and disproportionate to the threat it was, and how ultimately it failed to secure the suspect.

It was mindboggling disproportionate! I think the entire world is laughing at america since yesterday and I am being serious here.

Cordone off a few blocks here and there? Sure why not. But not the entire city. It sends the signal to everyone that americans are weak, their police is "weak"(more like militarised police thugs), and their leaders are even weaker.

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DUDE...

If I would've taken that picture???

Next thing I would've done was rip open my window and say "If your going to point that F***in rifle at me you better f***in plan on shooting!

That's a bunch of BULL#.

I'm sorry that guy doesn't deserve his uniform or that firearm in his hands.

zero'd in on that citizen, most likey finger on trigger.


That picture better have been turned in to the appropriate authorities.....like his captain...who probably would've laughed.... F this..