Why does Boston celebrate Martial Law with chants of ‘USA, USA’?

reply to post by jam321


I have not thought about that one, I forgot that state has bought many toys from the government in the past few years.

Some cities buying tanks and other type of combat equipment, I guess is not money for city project but is money for military grade toys.

Being that they just "apprehended" this 19 yr. old "terrorist" it's still a little too early to make any speculations on motive here. From what the media has reported so far it sounds like his older brother was the more influential in this dynamic dual. People who know the younger kid can't believe he was capable of such an act. He was not a loner and was well liked. Now the older brother ... that guy is a different animal altogether. Did not integrate well into his new homeland, had access to jihad sites and material went back to Chechnya for Gods knows why, etc. BUT what disturbs me most of all was the Feds dropping the ball on this guy after finding out what he was all about. Makes me believe he was a very useful tool to help administer other agendas that haven't been rolling along as smoothly as anticipated . Sort of reminds me of archive films I've seen of what Oswald said prior to being shot by Ruby ... " I'm just a patsy!" The kids parents seem to think the same. As for the Op's initial topic .. Don't most Americans chant USA USA in their sleep?

reply to post by beezzer


That's logical fallacy Beezer, sorry. I have stood firm, protested and am very much on the record of opposing those things... those things in my opinion are the wrong response to terrorists attacks etc... What happened yesterday was right. That's how we should handle terrorism. Do away with TSA, DHS etc and the infringements that have been placed on us increasingly since 9/11. I don't know how many plots such has foiled since inception, but this plot wasn't foiled. The reaction did catch the perps though.

As I've said in another thread as well to my fellow Occupiers who like you are afraid that this was a gross and massive example of bowing to authority and trading freedom for security.

I live in Boston and Martial Law was not declared. Residents in Watertown, Newton, Cambridge, Boston and Arlington were asked to Shelter in Place because there was a terrorist on the loose, this entailed public transportation and taxi service ordered shut down (so that there was less chance he could escape).

Yes it was unnerving to see on the news, and probably more so in the neighborhoods directly affected, armored trucks, bomb containment apparatus, black hawk helicopters rolling through residential areas... it was crazy to see a shopping mall many local residents are very familiar with turned into a command center for FBI, state and local police and obviously some degree of military involvement. Personally, I felt strange having been asked to stay at home for something other than weather.

But do you know what was more unnerving? Knowing a terrorist was hiding out in a neighborhood that looks just like mine. Knowing that hours before he and his brother had been lobbing explosives at police and now he could potentially have invaded some family's home, did he have more explosives on him? I would have been furious if law enforcement hadn't responded the way it did, and likely most everyone on here screaming about martial law would have been just as furious.

Everything is back to normal today, we are 'allowed' back outside... taxis and public transportation are running. We might be slightly hung over though because as soon as the terrorist was caught everyone in the areas affected poured out into the streets and partied. Every cop car that passed a crowd of celebrators was cheered.

We are happy today, we begin to heal today. It's been a hard, nerve wracking week... our piece of mind and our hearts were shattered on Monday. A system I tend to not have much faith in and will continue to be skeptical of, worked yesterday and I am happy for that, people in the areas affected are happy for that. So choose to think negatively if you want, that is your right... but know the facts directly debunk your 'theories' and your darkness does not touch our doorsteps today.

Beezer, if they had asked to keep us in any longer than they did, the news wouldn't have been so focused on catching the terrorist, I promise you that. We wanted that guy caught, we LET law enforcement, the people trained and that we pay to handle criminals do just that and most, not all chose to agree to the request. Those who chose to go out weren't harassed by police for it... and you're damn straight we cheered and partied last night. Law enforcement did right this week, as vocal as I've been against them, I'm not too pig headed to acknowledge such and suspend my criticisms and offer praise when they do right.

Since 9/11 I'm absolutely sick of hearing the words "terrorism", "terrorist", "Jihad", "Jihadist", "terrorist cell", "terrorist threat", .. and the list goes on.

And now this kid we caught last night might not.... oh so conveniently be able to speak..... because of his injuries!

When will people open their eyes? If 9/11 was not enough, if tanks rolling down your street with marshal law in effect is not enough.... then what will it be??

reply to post by neo96

From the outside this whole scenario is just sad.

I chatted with a guy from the U.S. about guns and liberty recently, and he stated that the U.S. is much more free (than Germany) due to an armed citizenry... and now this!
I replied that liberty is more about the attitude than about the tools (guns or whatever means to it).

When our government deployed armoured reconnaissance vehicles at the G8 summit in 2007, this alone caused massive objection amongst the ciziens, the police themselves, and later even in parliament.

You practically had a regiment of armoured police raiding one of your cities and the people celebrate...

I made this same comment in another thread and got jumped on. I don't get it either. Nice to know I'm not alone!

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

Then you are saying they should have arrested these two guys before the fact?

What I am saying is they should have done their job searched their own files instead of plastering their photos all over the news.

They already had everything they needed, and they got that MIT cop killed for no reason.

What I mean is after the bombing what followed was BS.

edit on 20-4-2013 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

Ahhh thanks for the clarification. There is just too much nutty stuff going on lately. It's hard to keep track of it all. I just have a feeling there is more to all this.

reply to post by Kali74


Read this post www.abovetopsecret.com...

Tell me again how "necessary" yesterdays events were.

Originally posted by Elostone
This is how people who don't own guns act. They must rely on others/the police/the government to go outback and check their shed to make sure there isn't a boogey man in it for them, while they hole up inside their house until they're told it's OK to come out.
People that live in rural areas find this kind of behavior amusing.

I support the right to own guns, but I don't own one. Have a crack at that one, billy bob.

The very idea of freedom itself has been perverted into something i hardly
recognize anymore, i find my desire to accept all humans as equals very
difficult to apply to those who do not understand freedom, they are equal
in my eyes to religious folks who have never even read the bible yet
support laws that are based in religion....

With the recent indecent of a police officer pulling a gun on a teenager
in a mcdonalds drive through because he thought the line was moving
too slow, this incident, and many other cases of freedoms ignored and
rights being violated we should all be very very worried, apparently most
folks just wont get it until they actually come face to face with the loss
of their freedom directly, they will come for your freedoms too, i no longer
doubt that at all, i was hoping this country could recover from this atrocious
loss of everything that made us great, instead i fear we will see just
how much it does take for them to wake up.

Why cant people see that freedom brings peace, prosperity, it brings things
that are worth fighting to have, it brings motivation to otherwise hopeless
people, it brings success where otherwise there wouldn't even be an
effort, it brought us this country, and by taking it away they are slowly
but surely killing this country.

reply to post by neo96


I don't have an answer to that, we don't know much about that part of the story yet... I want those answers too. We were not a panicked city, it was scary and surreal yes, but we were not panicked... we were resolved to ending this tragedy.

Originally posted by neo96
Read this post www.abovetopsecret.com...

Tell me again how "necessary" yesterdays events were.

They weren't ID'd until they had already shot a man to death and hijacked a car while possessing explosives.

Maybe you're right though. It wasn't "necessary." We could've been gentlemen about it and let them kill a few dozen more innocent people before trying to catch them.

reply to post by buckrogerstime


Telling me their photos were release after the MIT cop was killed?

They were release before which is why those 2 were on the run,

All they had to do is search their files repeated once again that would have them feel all safe and secure in their homes lessen the risk of anyone else getting hurt.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by buckrogerstime

 

Telling me their photos were release after the MIT cop was killed?

They were release before which is why those 2 were on the run,

All they had to do is search their files repeated once again that would have them feel all safe and secure in their homes lessen the risk of anyone else getting hurt.

They released the photos to the public precisely because no one knew who or where they were. That was the entire reason you ever saw the photos. So where were the police supposed to go prior to the MIT shooting again?

reply to post by neo96


you're not missing anything, this is the Crucify Him Crucify Him crowd, the mega pious, mega Religious, oh so Gawdly type, Supreme above all "lesser" humans, or "dogs" as they so like to term them...doing the Usual Mob Lynch Mentality,

Of course, that's After they demand the release of the THIEF! Barabus

The Pilates and Ceasars and Neros just LOVE appeasing these "pets" of theirs, why it's Sooooooo easy, like taking candy from a baby,

Citizens of Rome, Lend me your ears!

Then of course, be sure to go to thou temples and rape a few slaves, what the hell, all in a good days work!

(for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear, I believe was the famous words...the reader can figure out the rest,l.the Good thing is, is that YOU noticed, that's a GOOD thing, a Very rare thing these days. Dangerous times indeed, dangerous times.)

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by beezzer

 

. Do away with TSA, DHS etc and the infringements that have been placed on us increasingly since 9/11. I don't know how many plots such has foiled since inception, but this plot wasn't foiled. The reaction did catch the perps though.

Yet DHS was in charge of this little exercise in taking away liberties.

Everything is back to normal today, we are 'allowed' back outside...

This line scares me more than a 19 year old with a pipe bomb.

It's morning here, just waking up. I'm glad the bastard was caught. But as I stated countless times in this thread already, this sets a precedent.

We haven't seen the end to this.

reply to post by neo96

What am I missing?

The only thing you are missing is the fear that the majority of Americans feel. When whatever boogeyman, is arrested or caught, there is a sense of relief. Much like when a child molester gets caught, you can almost hear the collective sigh of relief, when they don't even want to think about how many are in a 10 mile radius from their house. Ignorance is bliss. There is a reason that is a saying.

reply to post by ThreeBears


Who is invoking religion here? We are all talking about the logistics of the manhunt. I've never trusted Russia since the Berlin Wall came down and these two just happen to hail from Russian territories. Sorry to burst that bubble.

Originally posted by beezzer

It's morning here, just waking up. I'm glad the bastard was caught. But as I stated countless times in this thread already, this sets a precedent.

We haven't seen the end to this.

You saw the end of it at 6 p.m. last night, only 12 hours after police had advised citizens to stay at home. Not only did the police lift the lockdown; they lifted it before they even apprehended the suspect because they had determined he no longer posed a threat to the city at large.

reply to post by neo96


Hello Neo.

I will tell you a historical reason for why Bostonians chant "USA USA" when they are giving their rights away.
And this lead directly to here actually.

We don't pledge allegiance to the Constitution, we do it to a flag (which is used to mislead us).




Pledge of Allegiance Wiki

Swearing of the Pledge is accompanied by a salute. An early version of the salute, adopted in 1892, was known as the Bellamy salute. It started with the hand outstretched toward the flag, palm down, and ended with the palm up. Because of the similarity between the Bellamy salute and the Nazi salute, developed later, the United States Congress instituted the hand-over-the-heart gesture as the salute to be rendered by civilians during the Pledge of Allegiance and the national anthem in the United States, instead of the Bellamy salute. Removal of the Bellamy salute occurred on December 22, 1942, when Congress amended the Flag Code language first passed into law on June 22, 1942.

And what happened to the FREE Americans who refused to pledge to a FLAG??

Jehovah's Witnesses who considered the flag salute to be idolatry, could be compelled to swear the Pledge. A rash of mob violence and intimidation against Jehovah's Witnesses followed the ruling. In 1943 the Supreme Court reversed its decision, ruling in West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette that public school students are not required to say the Pledge, concluding that "compulsory unification of opinion" violates the First Amendment.[20] In a later opinion, the Court held that students are also not required to stand for the Pledge.

The people who claimed to be pro-America (but were in reality anti-America), attacked and beat up people who simply choose to say NO to pledge to a flag, which is their natural human right! Thankfully the government reversed it's decisions due to the incredible amount of backlash that occurred as a result of the infringement of liberty.

These series of events and the events surrounding them are a direct causation of today's events of which we are discussing.

BTW, Edward Bellamy, that Nazi (ancient Roman military) salute guy?

Edward Bellamy (March 26, 1850 – May 22, 1898) was an American author and socialist, most famous for his utopian novel, Looking Backward, a Rip Van Winkle-like tale set in the distant future of the year 2000. Bellamy's vision of a harmonious future world inspired the formation of over 160 "Nationalist Clubs" dedicated to the propagation of Bellamy's political ideas and working to make them a practical reality.

Socialist? Figures.

Now you know why I say Socialism = Communism = Fascism = Tyranny
Because I am 100% on the $$$$