" A monolithic and ruthless conspiracy"

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This is not a history lesson my friend. Knights of Columbus, Freemason, Shriners, etc, all do good for their community, it is the ELITE, that have infiltrated these organizations and pull said strings.

when Kennedy beat Nixon in the elections it set back the NWO agenda because the American people elected Kennedy instead of Milhouse who was eventually put into office. Who ran against Johnson? Not Nixon

When your are fighting an idea such as the NWO agenda, you are not at war against an individual. These people who have accepted the NWO agenda know that it may not happen in their Lifetime. Their mission is to do what ever they can in their lifetime to accomplish this goal.

When it comes to the NWO, there is no republican or democrat, or liberal or conservative, it is who can we corrupt to fulfill our agenda. And you can not argue the government in the past has not been corrupted

Notice the voting trend in the elections
election 1960

Nixon even won Florida and California

1964 NWO Knew Jonson would win and he as pushing their agenda.

1968

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus

Then why did Eisenhower get us involved in Vietnam and why did Kennedy continue to escalate our participation?

All across Indochina, the vacuum left by the collapse of the Japanese Empire at the end of WW2, left newly re-emergent nations susceptible to political/military intrigue by Stalinists and Maoists. Both the Soviet Union and the PRC were as focused on rebuilding this region according to their designs as the US was to preventing it. Ike didn't want to see another situation like Korea but after Dien Bien Phu and the French withdrawal... it was almost a foregone fact that the US would either have to become involved to one degree or the next.

Of course, the political climate at the time was a lot different than today. In the midst of a Cold war, the US and the west felt obligated to prevent the spread of communism. On top of that, after spending billions on fighting the war with Japan and the cost in lives that went with it, Eisenhower wasn't about to just throw the Asian-Pacific out for the USSR and PRC to play with as they chose.

What differentiates Eisenhower and Kennedy from those that followed was the means and degree with which they were ready to engage.

Johnson's election in 1964 changed a lot of things. Nixon's arrival in 1968 just extended and expanded the same.

You take Eisenhower/Kennedy and overlay with Johnson/Nixon and you can see the skid marks where we spun around in the road.

reply to post by whatzshaken

The intention of JFK's use of "secret societies" was referencing a government and information sharing as well as the freedom of press and the responsibility to protect national security secrets. Just look at what had happened around that time. Just look at the title of the speech.

reply to post by whatzshaken

You are reading far too much. He wanted an informed public, true, but he doesn't damn private organizations.

reply to post by whatzshaken

JFK was a member of a "secret society".

reply to post by whatzshaken

There are no hidden masters controlling Freemasonry.

"Secret societies" are TPTB, but that doesn't mean " the powers that be", but rather " the people to blame", ie scapegoats.

Originally posted by whatzshaken
This is not a history lesson my friend. Knights of Columbus, Freemason, Shriners, etc, all do good for their community, it is the ELITE, that have infiltrated these organizations and pull said strings.

What elites 'inilftrated' these orginizations and how do they pull the strings?

As a Mason I know how our elections operate and the elected leader serves a one year term before being replaced by another person who is also democratically elected.

when Kennedy beat Nixon in the elections it set back the NWO agenda because the American people elected Kennedy instead of Milhouse who was eventually put into office. Who ran against Johnson? Not Nixon

And what did Kennedy do or not do that differentiated himself from his predecessors or those that followed him?

Originally posted by redoubt
What differentiates Eisenhower and Kennedy from those that followed was the means and degree with which they were ready to engage.

Kennedy's exact words on Vietnam were that he had to "draw a line in the sand" and that "now we have a problem making our power credible and Vietnam looks like the place."

He escalated troop involvement more than 2,000% over the Eisenhower administration and wholeheartedly believed in the Domino Theory in regards to stopping the spread of Communism.

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus


I too was a freemason and earned my second degree in the fellow craft but resigned when I was told I had to quit my poetry site because I needed to seek psychological help and that no one would Love me for what I write and believe. This came from my worshipful master.

If you(anyone) believe in the NWO/ Illuminati/ Zionist agenda then you know it began before Kennedy, Eisenhower administration ,and have accepted the fact that like Kennedy said...

For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.

As a mason you know about symbolism. The man used "illuminate" in his speech about secret societies.

Does this not raise a flag?

This is not a question of guilty by association, but rather do you care for your fellow man or simply yourself?
The NWO wants to create GOD's and slaves.
We oppose this, those who know their agenda according to Albert Pike with Morals and Dogma.
The fact that what he desired is coming to fruition is more than a mere coincidence. Its Illuminating. And enlightening more of those who are ignorant and misinformed about the truth of our civilized history

JFK was killed because he refused to transfer nuclear technology to Israel. After his death, the Vice President was more than happy to take over the office of President and very quickly arrange the transfer of nuclear technology to Israel. This is the only conspiracy research that makes any sense. It is also not commonly talked about. Which is even more proof that it is the real reason. Read Final Judgment by Michael Collins Piper. He has the answers. Jack Ruby was living on borrowed time and he did what he had to do to silence Oswald and protect Israeli interests.

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The intention of JFK's use of "secret societies" was referencing a government and information sharing as well as the freedom of press and the responsibility to protect national security secrets. Just look at what had happened around that time. Just look at the title of the speech.

I would agree, but that's on the surface level. The human mind has a conscience and a sub-conscience. Just like there is reality and fiction, truth and lies. History has factually proven these societies exist. That is undeniable. They exist today. They existed before. Their agenda is being pushed and I for one would like to stop it and rewrite our future so that Armageddon is not one of Biblical proportion, but of spiritual enlightenment for all.

This deadly challenge imposes upon our society two requirements of direct concern both to the press and to the President--two requirements that may seem almost contradictory in tone, but which must be reconciled and fulfilled if we are to meet this national peril. I refer, first, to the need for a far greater public information; and, second, to the need for far greater official secrecy.

Here he is talking about the two conflicts that reside with freedom of speech and the press and national security and the government Is there a balance between them both and how can it be accomplished

The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society

Repugnent=Adjective

1.Extremely distasteful; unacceptable.
2.In conflict with; incompatible with.

"O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!"

Your national anthem says Americans are free with Liberty and justice for all. How ever
Clinton got impeached for a BJ and Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld invaded countries that their intelligence said there were weapons of mass destruction, which were not found, killing, estimate between 100,000 to 1,000,000. that's a differential of 900,000. a Plus minus of 900,000 deaths of innocent Iraqi civilians where there was no WMD in their country. Please as a humanitarian justify that. Please

iraq, afghanistan,
afghanastan which rough estimates alone, bare minimum, is 35,000 casualties of war brought on by America.


I never said the master were secret in Freemasonry because no one man speaks on behave of it. This is what you are lead to believe. However if you are "Illuminated" then you serve a life on your knees, with dignity, while the rest of us live a life, willing to die on our feet with integrity


When you walk in the path of Good/ Righteousness/ God, He works for you. When you walk in the path of Evil/ Satan/ Baphomet you work for him. It comes down to beggers choice. So do not sell yourself short

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus


Very true but after operation "Strategic Hamlet’ was implemented and Kennedy realized that Americas involvement was only worsening the situation.

Kennedy was informed about the anger of the South Vietnamese peasants and was shocked to learn that membership of the NLF had increased, according to US Intelligence, by 300% in a two year time span

Kennedy became convinced that Diem could never unite South Vietnam and he agreed that the CIA should initiate a programme to overthrow him. A CIA operative, Lucien Conein, provided some South Vietnamese generals with $40,000 to overthrow Diem with the added guarantee that the US would not protect the South Vietnam leader. Diem was overthrown and killed in November 1963. Kennedy was assassinated three weeks later."

Look at the wording they use to describe who makes decisions. "he agreed." I know they have President advisors, but they don't say he pushed for this or he recommended this, it was someone else's idea(whoever you want to believe) and he went along with it by "agreeing"

Originally posted by whatzshaken
Another piece is this JFK Library Explosion. Boston Apr 2013


If you want a tingly feeling down your spine, I suggest listening to the speech inside the link

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Originally posted by whatzshaken
If you(anyone) believe in the NWO/ Illuminati/ Zionist agenda then you know it began before Kennedy, Eisenhower administration ,and have accepted the fact that like Kennedy said...

Kennedy was specifically refering to Soviet Communism, not a nebulous New World Order.

As a mason you know about symbolism. The man used "illuminate" in his speech about secret societies.

Does this not raise a flag?

No. Firstly, illuminate is not a symbol it is a word and secondly the word is rather irrelevant in Masonry.

This is not a question of guilty by association, but rather do you care for your fellow man or simply yourself?

I would like to think my actions show I care for others as well as for myself.

We oppose this, those who know their agenda according to Albert Pike with Morals and Dogma.
The fact that what he desired is coming to fruition is more than a mere coincidence. Its Illuminating. And enlightening more of those who are ignorant and misinformed about the truth of our civilized history

What does Pike and Morals and Dogma have to do with anything? I think this shows you did not even read the book and are parrotting invented points you heard or read elsewhere.

Originally posted by whatzshaken
Look at the wording they use to describe who makes decisions. "he agreed." I know they have President advisors, but they don't say he pushed for this or he recommended this, it was someone else's idea(whoever you want to believe) and he went along with it by "agreeing"

Yeah, and if he 'disagreed' do you think the military or agencies would disobey the Commander and Chief? You are minimizing his role in the conflict and his authority as President.

He was actively invloved in the planning, escalation and strategy of the Vietnam conflict.

Yeah, and if he 'disagreed' do you think the military or agencies would disobey the Commander and Chief? You are minimizing his role in the conflict and his authority as President.

That is exactly what I am saying. The President, Like any Politician, does not work for the people but those who financially support their campaign. Now that money is considered "free speech" and they do not have to disclaim "who" financially backs them in their campaign, raise even more flags. This is new but a very old way of business/Politics. Its not personal to them, its just good business.

What does Pike and Morals and Dogma have to do with anything? I think this shows you did not even read the book and are parrotting invented points you heard or read elsewhere.

Your right I never read his works. However the cookie crumb trail I was referring to with Albert Pike and his letters with Giusseppe Mazzini.

Of course the Masonic lodge will disagree that this is a false statement but here are some of what was transcribe in those letters.


William Guy Carr writes:
freemasonry.bcy.ca
Carr claimed the following was excerpted from a letter to Giusseppe Mazzini from Albert Pike, dated August 15, 1871:
"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions."

"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion...We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."3


www.threeworldwars.com...

It is a commonly believed fallacy that for a short time, the Pike letter to Mazzini was on display in the British Museum Library in London, and it was copied by William Guy Carr, former Intelligence Officer in the Royal Canadian Navy. The British Library has confirmed in writing to me that such a document has never been in their possession. Furthermore, in Carr's book, Satan, Prince of this World, Carr includes the following footnote:


"The Keeper of Manuscripts recently informed the author that this letter is NOT catalogued in the British Museum Library. It seems strange that a man of Cardinal Rodriguez's knowledge should have said that it WAS in 1925".

It appears that Carr learned about this letter from Cardinal Caro y Rodriguez of Santiago, Chile, who wrote The Mystery of Freemasonry Unveiled.

To date, no conclusive proof exists to show that this letter was ever written. Nevertheless, the letter is widely quoted and the topic of much discussion.

Following are apparently extracts of the letter, showing how Three World Wars have been planned for many generations.

No. Firstly, illuminate is not a symbol it is a word and secondly the word is rather irrelevant in Masonry.

Not if they have infiltrated it like The MONARCH/ THE VATICAN/ GOV'T/AND SOCIAL CLUBS. Then it is relevant. which is what we are trying to prove.

Kennedy was specifically referring to Soviet Communism, not a nebulous New World Order.

Why not just say it instead of alluding/referring to it? Soviet Communism was not mentioned ONCE in a speech about secret societies and the freedom of speech.

I would like to think my actions show I care for others as well as for myself.

That question as not directed at you but a question everyone should ask themselves.

No I'm picking at your word use here but I "like to think" life exist on other planets even though I have no proof except for my eye witness accounts. I believe in my heart that I care for my fellow man. By my actions and the words I speak of. And that is how this organized and well run machine wants you to "think"

It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations

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I think the background music distracts from the meaning. thanks though

Satan Prince of this world, free book

When Weishaupt organized the Illuminati 1776 to 1784, to put his revised and modernized version of the
Luciferian Protocols into effect, he and his associates are recorded as discussing whether they should
use Christianity, Judaism, Freemasonry, or atheism as a cloak under which to hide their secret plans and activities. This was much the same decision the Khazar leaders had to make when they set out to conquer Europe 300 A.D.

Those who directed the Khazar invasion into south-eastern Europe decided to force Talmudism on
those they led and conquered, in preference to Mohammedanism or Christianity. They therefore
used anti-Mohammedanism and anti-Christianity as emotions to serve their evil purpose.

Weishaupt and his Illuminati decided to benefit by the lessons history had taught in this regard.
They decided to use all four of these religions to cloak their evil purposes and further their own
secret plans and diabolical ambitions.’

Weishaupt decided that the Illuminati would infiltrate into Freemasonry because it was a secret society
wherein members could be bound by oath not to divulge anything they might hear or learn.

Even the apprentices, the very beginners are required to swear “In the Name of the Supreme Architect of all the World, I... name ... will never reveal the secrets, signs, touches, words, doctrines, or customs of the Free-masons, and will maintain above all an eternal silence concerning them. I promise, and I swear to God, not to reveal anything by pen, signs, words, or gestures, and never to have written, lithographed, printed, or published anything which has been confided to me up to now and may be confided henceforth. I bind myself and I submit to the subsequent punishment if I fail to keep my word; May they burn my lips with a red-hot iron - may they cut off my hand, and my neck, and snatch out my tongue, may my corpse be hanged in the Lodge during the admission of a new brother so that it may serve as a stigma of my infidelity, and an object of horror to the rest. May it be burned afterwards, and the ashes cast to the wind so that no trace remain of the memory of my treachery. Thus may God and His Holy Gospel help me. So be it.” (Eckert Vol. I, pp. 33-34.)

Now I took two oaths in acquiring my second degree and some of the wording he uses fits. Of course the higher you are in masonry the more "knowledge" you will protein and the more symbolism you will be enlightened to as a second if not first language of humanity. Early forms of communication come from pictures/hyroglifics etc

Point is have we stopped using symbols to communicate or sell products? No. so why should anyone believe an ancient fraternity of knowledge no longer exist or was lost?

Originally posted by whatzshaken
That is exactly what I am saying. The President, Like any Politician, does not work for the people but those who financially support their campaign.

However the person you cited who asked the President if he agreed is not one of his campaign doners but a member of his staff.

Your right I never read his works. However the cookie crumb trail I was referring to with Albert Pike and his letters with Giusseppe Mazzini.

Of course the Masonic lodge will disagree that this is a false statement but here are some of what was transcribe in those letters.

You are quoting a known hoax the began with Leo Taxil. This has been discussed ad nauseum on this site.

Originally posted by whatzshaken
Not if they have infiltrated it like The MONARCH/ THE VATICAN/ GOV'T/AND SOCIAL CLUBS. Then it is relevant. which is what we are trying to prove.

Again, explain the infiltration process and how it would take place.

Why not just say it instead of alluding/referring to it? Soviet Communism was not mentioned ONCE in a speech about secret societies and the freedom of speech.

You are obviously ignoring the historical context. Everyone knew at that point who was conducting the Cold War, the Soviets.

No I'm picking at your word use here but I "like to think" life exist on other planets even though I have no proof except for my eye witness accounts. I believe in my heart that I care for my fellow man. By my actions and the words I speak of. And that is how this organized and well run machine wants you to "think"

I have no idea what you are trying to convey in that paragraph.

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus

No I'm picking at your word use here but I "like to think" life exist on other planets even though I have no proof except for my eye witness accounts. I believe in my heart that I care for my fellow man. By my actions and the words I speak of. And that is how this organized and well run machine wants you to "think"

My point is like your feelings you are entitled to think/ believe what ever you want to. I can tell you what I have witness and experience, without physical proof, relying on trust and my word, in order for you to believe/think what I have to say, is real.

This Agenda whether you believe in it or not, and you obviously don't, and have a personal stake in this being a Freemnason, is something that many people are now becoming aware of and need to know.

To understand the truth, you need to know a lie. Like right and wrong, and good or bad. I am not painting everyone with the same brush. these things are never one sided. They are a matter of perspective based on the knowledge one has obtained to make an informed conclusion.

However, the evidence to support our claims of the Illuminati/NWO/Zionist agenda, notice how I did not use Masonry, because the common man who joins this organisation does so to better their community, exists and we would like to share it with our fellow man.

There is an abundance of evidence to support our claims that this is happening.

I have accepted that I may be conceivably wrong in this war but I am compelled to share people what it is I know and have experienced. Governments like people should not hide behind classified documents or fear secrets.
Knowledge is power. The truth hurts but Love conquers all.

Again, explain the infiltration process and how it would take place.

I can not. I am not a member of the illuminati nor do I believe in, but the existence of, the NWO Agenda and Zionism. A movement for (originally) the reestablishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in Israel.

You are quoting a known hoax the began with Leo Taxil. This has been discussed ad nauseum on this site.

Many people such as myself believe this to be otherwise. There are far too many dots that can become a plausible string theory connecting the Illuminati/NWO Agenda. I mean Ted Turner certainly pushed this agenda with CNN and WCW. Off topic but a valid point.

However the person you cited who asked the President if he agreed is not one of his campaign doners but a member of his staff.

Who did I cite? Are you referring to Lyndon Johnson?

I apologize for sounding selfish but my God does think not implement the NWO AGENDA