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Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
reply to post by spy66
you're close, but your physics is a little off.
god exists outside time, therefore he is a constant. i cannot speculate much on the nature of it's existence much because it isn't knowable by humans, but i do think it exists outside everything, even the concept of dimensions.
i think we can agree that the universe as we know it began a finite time ago with the beginning of time itself at the big bang, and this event was caused by an unchanging entity. this entity i refer to as "god".
But the absolute infinite empty space is absolutely natural. There is no time within this dimension. It is not possible to exist out side of this dimension. It is only possible to exist within it or as the dimension it self. If God exists within this dimension God would not have always existed. So the only answer is that God must be the dimension it self. And that would also explain how a absolute constant would be able to form a finite existence.
Originally posted by thedoctorswife
reply to post by Nuke2013
Yes but that still does not explain where the universe came from, how it started. And of course, subsequently if it was down to God, who created god? Its quite the head duck.
edit. Both arguements, the proGod and the noGod, are both as difficult to get ones head around.edit on 18-4-2013 by thedoctorswife because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Nuke2013
Originally posted by thedoctorswife
reply to post by Nuke2013
Yes but that still does not explain where the universe came from, how it started. And of course, subsequently if it was down to God, who created god? Its quite the head duck.
edit. Both arguements, the proGod and the noGod, are both as difficult to get ones head around.edit on 18-4-2013 by thedoctorswife because: (no reason given)
The only possible way to explain that and satisfy your faith, creationalist, Athiests and every other possible "religion" and scientists alike is simple.
The universe is God and God is the universe. There is no design, it is just there as it stands and expands. A magnicicent piece that IS. That's all !
Steven Hawking, another idiot scientist.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by WarriorOfLight96
You should be thankful that God has thought about this existence and you have a remnant of his thought ever expanding, scientists all play a role and God has given them that role but have become to wise and lost touch. He has made his claim or who ever speaks through his ghost box did.
You should put down that Magic 8 Ball and open a science book. Using those science books, not to mention a few that he wrote himself, Stephen Hawking has declared that he sees no reason to believe in a god. And he even says that this doesn't diminish the value of the world, but adds to it! One chance, one shot, on opportunity to explore/experience this reality.
Those who are afraid of death, haven't yet lived.edit on 18-4-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
He says he is free inside his mind but I feel he is limiting his knowledge to the physical realm and not realizing the grand scale of things.
Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
reply to post by spy66
But the absolute infinite empty space is absolutely natural. There is no time within this dimension. It is not possible to exist out side of this dimension. It is only possible to exist within it or as the dimension it self. If God exists within this dimension God would not have always existed. So the only answer is that God must be the dimension it self. And that would also explain how a absolute constant would be able to form a finite existence.
that isn't consistent with what we know.
what is the difference between absolute empty space and nothingness? space allows things to have extension.
i understand your point about god being the dimension, but i think it is more than just that.
The difference between nothingness and a space that is absolutely empty is that one space is absolutely empty and the other "nothingness" is a space that seams to be empty but is not.
1noth·ing
pronoun \ˈnə-thiŋ\
Definition of NOTHING
1
: not any thing : no thing
1emp·ty
adjective \ˈem(p)-tē\
1
a : containing nothing
A infinite space does not allow extensions, because this space is as large as it can get.
You can divide infinity an infinite number of times, and the resulting pieces will still be infinitely large,” Uresh said in his odd Lenatti accent. “But if you divide a non-infinite number an infinite number of times the resulting pieces are non-infinitely small. Since they are non-infinitely small, but there are an infinite number of them, if you add them back together, their sum is infinite. This implies any number is, in fact, infinite.
A dimension that is absolutely empty and infinite will only allow dimensions that are different and smaller than it self. That is why we observe compressed matter/mass at different scales and densities.
Well what has he gotten right? His theory about Black Holes was wrong. He spent most of his life racking his brain to come up with the wrong answer....lol. What a joker! These people are so wrapped up in their own Ego's that they cant see beyond their own self-righteous attitude and puny ideas.
A infinite space does not allow extensions, because this space is as large as it can get.