BREAKING:Explosion At Boston Marathon

Originally posted by ZiggyMojo

So I think it is entirely possible, and probable that the bomber(s) could have been at the drop location for more than a few seconds..

edit on 18-4-2013 by ZiggyMojo because: (no reason given)

But not for over 2 hours before the detonation time......carrying a bomb in a backpack.....think about it, the longer you hang around the chances increase that you will be caught....

...so reasonable to assume, max time to hang about the area and plant the device would be in my opinion 10-20 minutes. Any more than that and you risk being caught/bomb going off accidentally etc....

reply to post by celticniall


I can agree to that. I think 30 mins is probably reasonable, but at the top end. I suppose this thinking would clear quite a few people too..

I'm fairly convinced that the two guys with bags that look like runners aren't involved. Mostly because they were there so long, one image shows them taking pictures and there is no definitive evidence that the one DOESN'T have has bag.

This other character in the brown hooded jacket looks like he wasnt there long, and was by himself and also somewhat awkward.. Staring at the ground etc.

Again this is all speculation!

Originally posted by Ove38
What are they doing ?
files.abovetopsecret.com...

edit on 18-4-2013 by Ove38 because: link fix

I zoomed in on a good quality pic of that one. Likely a grandpa and father. He is tending to a baby in a stroller. when zoomed you can even see the babies arm reaching up to him.

Deadspin.com has a story on the two guys - blue jacket and black with white hat. They appear to be innocent and one of them is headed to the courthouse to get it cleared up. He is a highschool student and middle distance runner.

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Just a thought. All these people that have been circled/pointed out, we dont know names or where they are from.

This means we dont know if they have been found and questioned, or handed themselves in for questioning and been eliminated from enquiries already.

They might have friends that come on here, and are already aware they are being pointed out and handed themselves in for questioning.

The police are not going to say in the news, this is the guy from photo 3 on page xx of ATS and we have spoke to him/her already. So it might be that we are way off the mark and be chasing shadows.

We might be saying, this guy or that guy is looking here or standing there, when they are already proved innocent but we havent found out yet, and probably wont.

Like i say, just a thought.

reply to post by Moohide


I don't think you realize how widely spread these images are. There were media outlets that released them as potential suspects. This isn't just ATS, it is all over.

I'm not sure if you're saying people shouldn't be analyzing this or not, but this forum is place for doing just that.

All these pictures people are spending so much time on are 2+ hours before the explosion. It is highly doubtful that the suspect just hung around for 2+ hours with two bombs on him waiting to put them down. It is more likely that he just walked straight through the two areas quickly dropping the bombs and continuing on.

Plus, at least two of the guys (white hat guy and blue jacket guy) have already pretty much been cleared since their facebook pages were posted all over the internet yesterday and according to one of them they already spoke to the authorities.

Whatever is on the Lord and Taylor camera is most likely someone that is not in any of these pictures from 2+ hours prior to the explosions.

reply to post by Moohide


These images are not isolated to ATS, in fact ATS is probably one of the smaller websites discussing these photos.

4chan and Reddit have been all over these photos for the past two days. The facebook pages of two of the guys in these photos have already been found and plastered all over the internet. There is a lot of internet sleuthing going on, but none of it is original to ATS...it is mostly just reposts here of stuff that has already been discussed elsewhere.

reply to post by LogicGrind


There is nothing saying this was a single man/woman. Also, I HIGHLY doubt they just walked through and dropped the bags and kept walking. That is VERY suspicious and people would notice that for sure. It is far more likely that whoever the person or persons were, came knowing they'd be leaving a bomb somewhere. I don't think the positions were picked out ahead of time down to the exact spot. I think the perpetrator(s) got to the scene, evaluated their best options, made sure they could make the drop without any interference or someone noticing and THEN proceeded to move on. The person(s) guilty of this crime wanted to harm others or make a statement.. Neither of those things would have happened without first examining where people were/where they were staying. The finish line area is an obvious target, but how they chose that spot isn't.

I think what i meant was, yes we should be studying the photos, absolutely, but we need to turn 20 suspects into 4/5 by eliminating others. Only the police can tell us they have been questioned and found innocent therefore makinig our job easier.

Originally posted by ZiggyMojo

Originally posted by Power_Semi
The FBI have CCTV footage of someone dropping a bag shortly before the explosion.

Why not wait until they show you the actual perpetrator instead of continuing this inane nonsense of trying to look for suspicious people in a photograph of a crowd.

"Oooh look, he's suspicious he is looking in the opposite direction to most other people" - what the hell is that supposed to prove?

Do you think that would be fair to persecute someone because in one split second when a photo was taken they just happened to be looking in a direction that some of you believe, for some weird and inexplicable reason best known by yourselves, is "suspicious"?

I think it would be far more suspicious if everyone was looking in exactly the same direction at the time in every photo, especially at a marathon, they don't even all do that during a tennis match.

I'd be even more suspicious if common sense prevailed at ATS and people stopped thinking they can solve this by drawing red circles on photos of "suspicious" people.

edit on 18-4-2013 by Power_Semi because: (no reason given)

I think people are just trying to do their part. If these guys are innocent, we'll know soon enough. The FBI hasn't made any statements that clears anyone really.. So speculate away. There is no one being convicted.

edit on 18-4-2013 by ZiggyMojo because: (no reason given)

You have "no part" to play in this whatsoever, no matter how much some of you would like to pretend that you have, and that you can find something that the Feds can't.

"So speculate away" you say "If these guys are innocent, we'll know soon enough." - yes, and in the meantime the poor bastards are being painted as terrorists by idiots like you lot, who, incidentally also NEVER believe the official line afterwards anyway.

They might well be cleared, and probably will be, but there'll always be people like all of you who'll STILL point the finger afterwards and "knowingly" whisper to others "there's no smoke without fire. They might have been cleared, but they were DEFINITELY suspicious!"

THAT is what you are all doing - potentially ruining someones life for your own titillation, because mud sticks and there will always be someone who will not have it that they aren't involved.

They aren't actors, it's not a game, they are REAL people who's good names you are dragging through the mud.

reply to post by Power_Semi


Power_Semi said it the way i meant it, must improve on my English lol

Originally posted by Power_Semi

Originally posted by ZiggyMojo

Originally posted by Power_Semi
The FBI have CCTV footage of someone dropping a bag shortly before the explosion.

Why not wait until they show you the actual perpetrator instead of continuing this inane nonsense of trying to look for suspicious people in a photograph of a crowd.

"Oooh look, he's suspicious he is looking in the opposite direction to most other people" - what the hell is that supposed to prove?

Do you think that would be fair to persecute someone because in one split second when a photo was taken they just happened to be looking in a direction that some of you believe, for some weird and inexplicable reason best known by yourselves, is "suspicious"?

I think it would be far more suspicious if everyone was looking in exactly the same direction at the time in every photo, especially at a marathon, they don't even all do that during a tennis match.

I'd be even more suspicious if common sense prevailed at ATS and people stopped thinking they can solve this by drawing red circles on photos of "suspicious" people.

edit on 18-4-2013 by Power_Semi because: (no reason given)

I think people are just trying to do their part. If these guys are innocent, we'll know soon enough. The FBI hasn't made any statements that clears anyone really.. So speculate away. There is no one being convicted.

edit on 18-4-2013 by ZiggyMojo because: (no reason given)

You have "no part" to play in this whatsoever, no matter how much some of you would like to pretend that you have, and that you can find something that the Feds can't.

"So speculate away" you say "If these guys are innocent, we'll know soon enough." - yes, and in the meantime the poor bastards are being painted as terrorists by idiots like you lot, who, incidentally also NEVER believe the official line afterwards anyway.

They might well be cleared, and probably will be, but there'll always be people like all of you who'll STILL point the finger afterwards and "knowingly" whisper to others "there's no smoke without fire. They might have been cleared, but they were DEFINITELY suspicious!"

THAT is what you are all doing - potentially ruining someones life for your own titillation, because mud sticks and there will always be someone who will not have it that they aren't involved.

They aren't actors, it's not a game, they are REAL people who's good names you are dragging through the mud.

edit on 18-4-2013 by Power_Semi because: (no reason given)

How dare people build conspiracies on a conspiracy website, what an outrage.
I guess its okay if your famous case like Nixon or Lee harvey Oswald or many other names that are talked about in conspiracy angles but thats okay they are old or dead or people were not right to question it as they are not real people??

Originally posted by Power_Semi

Originally posted by ZiggyMojo

Originally posted by Power_Semi
The FBI have CCTV footage of someone dropping a bag shortly before the explosion.

Why not wait until they show you the actual perpetrator instead of continuing this inane nonsense of trying to look for suspicious people in a photograph of a crowd.

"Oooh look, he's suspicious he is looking in the opposite direction to most other people" - what the hell is that supposed to prove?

Do you think that would be fair to persecute someone because in one split second when a photo was taken they just happened to be looking in a direction that some of you believe, for some weird and inexplicable reason best known by yourselves, is "suspicious"?

I think it would be far more suspicious if everyone was looking in exactly the same direction at the time in every photo, especially at a marathon, they don't even all do that during a tennis match.

I'd be even more suspicious if common sense prevailed at ATS and people stopped thinking they can solve this by drawing red circles on photos of "suspicious" people.

edit on 18-4-2013 by Power_Semi because: (no reason given)

I think people are just trying to do their part. If these guys are innocent, we'll know soon enough. The FBI hasn't made any statements that clears anyone really.. So speculate away. There is no one being convicted.

edit on 18-4-2013 by ZiggyMojo because: (no reason given)

You have "no part" to play in this whatsoever, no matter how much some of you would like to pretend that you have, and that you can find something that the Feds can't.

"So speculate away" you say "If these guys are innocent, we'll know soon enough." - yes, and in the meantime the poor bastards are being painted as terrorists by idiots like you lot, who, incidentally also NEVER believe the official line afterwards anyway.

They might well be cleared, and probably will be, but there'll always be people like all of you who'll STILL point the finger afterwards and "knowingly" whisper to others "there's no smoke without fire. They might have been cleared, but they were DEFINITELY suspicious!"

THAT is what you are all doing - potentially ruining someones life because mud sticks and there will always be someone who will not have it that they aren't involved.

Whoa whoa whoa.. Slow down there Geronimo. Nobody is slandering or ruining anyone's lives. I'm pretty sure everyone here in the past several pages has been simply pointing out oddities or things that seem out of place or suspicious.. Again, if someone isn't a terrorist they won't have a problem clearing their name. You're making an awful lot of assumptions about an awful lot of people yourself.. I tend to believe the official stories as long as everything jives.. There are discrepancies that people shouldn't overlook sometimes but part of digging into cases is being open to correction and understanding that not all things are as they appear. I've already posted links to help clear the guys that so many people have been examining. Not once did I ever say, these guys are terrorists or action should be taken.. I've done my best to give everyone as much information as possible in my posts. I've pointed out things that could be confusing or misunderstood. Not once have I indicated I'm 100% correct, and I try to make sure people understand it is all speculation at this point.

I think you're living a distorted reality and a pretty sad one at that if you believe people have no part in incidents that have affected an entire nation and even other countries. People just want to help, it's human nature. We may not have been there, but that doesn't mean we don't want to do what we can. It gives some people a sense of contribution, even if it amounts to nothing in the end, there is always a possibility that an examination may lead to something greater. The FBI and LEO are most definitely on this, but they've also put out a "If you see something say something" statement. I can assure you that a lot of what internet sleuths come up with will or has already been investigated. The FBI knows, and several agents and officials have stated that the public often plays a crucial role in the advancement of investigation. FBI agents are people too, we're all able to miss things..

You're quick to forget that Timothy McVeigh was caught on a whim of suspicion. He was ARRESTED by a state highway patrolman for driving without a license plate. The Patrolmen had no idea he was the bomber and didn't even suspect it. They later found a concealed weapon and held him.. The FBI didn't find him, and may not have if he wouldn't have been brought into custody on a separate charge. It took the FBI over 10 years to locate the Olympic bomber and that was after another man was pretty much hung out to dry but was innocent.

I think you're also missing a huge point. This website is a conspiracy website.

To the 2 idiots above.

Yes, Lee Harvey Oswald is dead and he was found guilty, so you cannot defame or slander him, but these people are very much alive and have done nothing wrong.

By claiming on a public forum, conspiracy forum or not, that they are "terrorists" may be "terrorists" or may be involved in the bombing just because you don't like where they're looking, how they're standing, that they have/haven't got backpacks, what hats they are/aren't wearing, that they're running away from/ not running away from what's just happened, etc is completely and utterly irrelevant.

You are actively damaging their reputations for your own titillation, and they will be well within their rights to sue you for it.

So hey, yes you go right ahead and speculate away as you see fit with utter disregard for them, their livelihoods, well being, or what the insinuation may do to them or their families, but you'd better start looking for some damned good lawyers because if they come after you, you haven't got a leg to stand on if you'll pardon the faux pas.

Originally posted by Power_Semi
To the 2 idiots above.

Yes, Lee Harvey Oswald is dead so you cannot defame or slander him, but these people are very much alive and have done nothing wrong.

By claiming on a public forum, conspiracy forum or not, that they are "terrorists" may be "terrorists" or may be involved in the bombing just because you don't like where they're looking, how they're standing, that they have/haven't got backpacks, what hats they are/aren't wearing, that they're running away from/ not running away from what's just happened, etc is completely and utterly irrelevant.

You are actively damaging their reputations for your own titillation, and they will be well within their rights to sue you for it.

So hey, yes you go right ahead and speculate away as you see fit with utter disregard for them, their livelihoods, well being, or what the insinuation may do to them or their families, but you'd better start looking for some damned good lawyers because if they come after you, you haven't got a leg to stand on if you'll pardon the faux pas.

edit on 18-4-2013 by Power_Semi because: (no reason given)

So you would encourage censorship? Let me say this, If I was in a bomb blast and survived I'd want anyone and everyone to look at pictures for suspects. It's got nothing to do with titillation (you love that word) it's to do with wanting justice.

As far as I can see people are talking about persons of interest from photos and videos that the media themselves put out there which some happen to be the same pictures we have seen, all we are doing is discussing it.
You say mud sticks. I say yes in small minds not to normal people.

Originally posted by JBA2848
I just realized where the photos from Cryptome came from of the event.

CONSULATE GENERAL OF PORTUGAL
899 Boylston Street - 2nd Floor
Boston, MA 02115
Tel: (617) 536-8740
Fax: (617) 536-2503

goo.gl...

You can tell by the building they are in.



Could this have been a case of Portugal targeting the US with a terror attack and they made sure they had a birds eye view? And it would also make a great get away to run to the building right between the two attacks?

Looking into this. Who is the VIP who has there own body guard? Is it a VIP from the CONSULATE GENERAL OF PORTUGAL where all these photos are coming from? Is that why they were so interested in taking pictures of the crowd in this area?

Body guard top left corner jumps on top of VIP to protect them.



Body guard still on top of VIP to protect them.



Who is the VIP?

Could be husband and wife but what does the hat and jacket say?

Originally posted by Taggart

Originally posted by Power_Semi
To the 2 idiots above.

Yes, Lee Harvey Oswald is dead so you cannot defame or slander him, but these people are very much alive and have done nothing wrong.

By claiming on a public forum, conspiracy forum or not, that they are "terrorists" may be "terrorists" or may be involved in the bombing just because you don't like where they're looking, how they're standing, that they have/haven't got backpacks, what hats they are/aren't wearing, that they're running away from/ not running away from what's just happened, etc is completely and utterly irrelevant.

You are actively damaging their reputations for your own titillation, and they will be well within their rights to sue you for it.

So hey, yes you go right ahead and speculate away as you see fit with utter disregard for them, their livelihoods, well being, or what the insinuation may do to them or their families, but you'd better start looking for some damned good lawyers because if they come after you, you haven't got a leg to stand on if you'll pardon the faux pas.

edit on 18-4-2013 by Power_Semi because: (no reason given)

So you would encourage censorship? Let me say this, If I was in a bomb blast and survived I'd want anyone and everyone to look at pictures for suspects. It's got nothing to do with titillation (you love that word) it's to do with wanting justice.

As far as I can see people are talking about persons of interest from photos and videos that the media themselves put out there which some happen to be the same pictures we have seen, all we are doing is discussing it.
You say mud sticks. I say yes in small minds not to normal people.

What I think Taggart is that you should think about the line from ziggys post above:

"I think you're living a distorted reality and a pretty sad one at that if you believe people have no part in incidents that have affected an entire nation and even other countries."

The people who were most affected by what happened were those ones who were actually there, you know, the ones in the photos.

You all might feel "involved" because you saw it on the goggle box, but they were right there saw it, smelt it, experienced it.

How do you think that they feel now, having been through that, and still trying to come to terms with it to find their photo on some crackpot forum with idiots actually suggesting that they were involved in the bombings.

It has nothing to do with censorship, it has to do with applying common sense and showing some humanity and compassion for those who were there, but the blatant lack of empathy on any level, and total disregard for how it may affect those people by people like you, who then bang on about their "rights" to say what they want, frankly makes me sick.

You are despicable excuses for human beings to bring that kind of unnecessary additional suffering to those poor people who, I say it again, HAVE DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG

reply to post by Power_Semi


You're hilarious.. I haven't done anything, but pass on the information I've found elsewhere. Not once did I say they were terrorists, but there were pictures indicative of a missing bag.. HELLO! Missing Black bookbag AFTER the person/people were seen with it at the scene of the explosion. This warrants a more critical examination. That's as far as it goes. I even helped to prove these guys innocent with a complete timeline of their presence at the scene. From before the race, watching the race, taking pictures of the race and then finally departing..

I left it up to the people viewing the hard facts to come to their own conclusion. It's not my job to tell people what to make of the photos. I presented them and that is it.

You'd make an awful detective..

Here, read this, idiots:

www.dailymail.co.uk... ure-widely-circulated.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

That is one of the people who you have been claiming is involved who is now furiously trying to let people know that he WAS NOT involved.

Shame on you, I hope they DO sue you.