BREAKING:Explosion At Boston Marathon

I have corrected my post about the image. I should have studied the picture better.
As for the reports of the bomb being in a bag, both or ... ? That could have very well been one of the bombs had the mailbox or trash can next to it was damaged so going only by description I was not.

I also now remember looking at the aftermath and a photo showing a black spot on the ground where the bomb originated.

reply to post by crazyewok

wow, all of them ??
i would have thought fewer for sure.

even when i helped with local fireworks displays, the operator had special permitting to get the explosives and more permitting to set them off.
i guess that's why i thought less access was more likely ?

Originally posted by Golf66
Evidence in this case says the plan was good.
*snip*
They had to know something of the TTP and the counter-IED measures in place, they had the ability to get 4 IEDs into a pretty secure place and detonate two of them.

Then they for some reason left two intact IEDs for EOD to tear apart. Why not just blow them in the confusion even if they are wasted? At that point who cares - why leave the trail? They showed good sound effort till that point then they turn into Laurel and Hardy?
*snip*

Interesting thoughts. Have you considered the possibility that the plan was supposed to appear poorly executed? Perhaps someone wanted "clues" found. Maybe it's a frame job of some sort.

Originally posted by Rocker2013
Can anyone clear something up for me...

Why has it taken so long to call it a terrorist attack? What's the deal with that?
*snip*

I thought about this for a few hours and initially wondered if it's only a terrorist attack when it's a "foreigner" responsible and called something else if it's a U.S. citizen. But then I wondered if it's considered an "act of war" if it's a nation found to be responsible.

Is this just about the classification of the person/s involved? Are they keeping the option of an "act of war" open and on the table?

An "act of terror" would mean some political motivation would be behind the action. Whether from a foreign source, or a domestic one, the motivation is the key. Until we know who did it, and a motive, we can't accurately define it as terrorism. It could be just some person or group that wants to hurt people because they can.

I'm trying to read through all 113 pages here, but I give up.

I'm wondering if anyone has commented on the timing? I mean, they detonated the bombs more than 2 hours after the first people came over the finish line. The band stands were mostly empty--the buzz moments were old.

Do you think it might have been because the first people over the finish line are usually not Americans? Usually Africans and other foreigners? They, of course, would know that and to exact maximum damage, they waited.

Also, any comments on placement? It seemed they weren't really targeting runners, but spectators.

reply to post by MRuss


The four hour mark would be ideal to target the runners. That's when you are gonna have the largest groups of runners finishing at the same time. The "elite" runners are far fewer in numbers and run more spread out.

reply to post by Honor93


You need permitts to buy explosives but not the precuser chems. One type of bomb can be made from blonde hair dye and nail vanish remover!

In uk our firework and chem laws are laxer than the usa but cant see you not being able to buy hair dye and nail vanish remover.

I have another comment some might like to chew on.

As a tour director, I do many, many tours of Boston, New York, and DC.

By far, Boston is the most lax about security than any of the three cities, even though several of the planes on 9/11 took off from Boston Logan that morning.

I often get frustrated doing tours in New York and DC because the security lines are long, there are cops everywhere all of the time, and I am constantly reminded of what we've given up since 9/11.

But Boston?

Always a breeze to tour or enter national landmarks. Not much of a heavy police presence ever. I enjoyed giving tours there most of all because of this. It reminded me of a pre-9/11 America.

Obviously, those days are long gone now, but I think people could make a definite case that Boston was totally LAX about security, even though it's been identified as a possible target and has been threatened before.

I do see something that stands out to me in the before picture. A guy in a light grey hoody just above the garbage can carrying a black box? And a guy coming out of the building on the right wearing the same light grey hoody with a black strap over his shoulder also carrying a black bag.

Originally posted by Rocker2013

Originally posted by Golf66


If you think one guy carried 4 IED's weighed down with a crap ton of ball bearings (big enough to shred 140 people) into the area all by himself and set them up with no one noticing...well. I don't buy it.

Where is the evidence that there were 4?!

See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. You don't even know how many devices there were, and yet you are creating your own story to support what you think, asserting that there WERE 4, and that this means there MUST have been more than one man involved.

You know, I've been to the gym a few times, I have a friend entering a strong man contest in a couple of years. I can tell you for a FACT that one man could indeed carry four "presumably heavy" devices to wherever he wanted to put them. Or do you now claim to know that the people involved are weak and skinny to support your theory?

Why is it so implausible for a grown man to carry 4 of these devices? Do you know when they were put in place? Do you know what they were made of? Do you know how heavy each of them were?

I don't care what experience you have, you are creating a story to suit your own idea of what happened. You are accepting all the little bits of rumour that suit your theory and ignoring common sense. That is not the way to build a proper conspiracy theory, and this is exactly the reason why people laugh at conspiracy theorists and call them crazy.

The reports I have read state "five", not four.

A first responder source confirms to Fox News that five total explosive devices were found in the Boston area, including the two that exploded. Authorities spent the next several hours sweeping the area for additional devices. Read more: www.foxnews.com...

source

There are MANY reports of at least four devices; two that detonated, and two that didn't. Someone speculating on carrying at least four, who has experience in such matters, isn't simply making things up to suit their ideas. They are discussing the issues, based on the data offered to us from various, and sometimes conflicting, news sources.

The simple fact is, based ONLY on the two that did explode, and their locations, and the presence in the area of bomb sniffing dogs, that it's highly unlikely these devices were placed very ling before being detonated. They would almost have to have been placed VERY shortly before they went off. Meaning, given the distance they were from each other, one person would not have been able to place even those two. We also have good data on all the shrapnel the devices contained, and if that was in metal pipes, as I believe was reported, then each one would have been quite heavy. A pipe full of metal isn't light. We don't KNOW for certain yet about how many were involved, but the evidence indicates more than one is most likely. Looking at all the data, and using personal knowledge and experience, is a very good way to examine an event, and figure out what happened.

I just thought of something, Probably nothing but here goes

The first explosion happened at 4:9:44 which looks like a weird number to me, and the explosions could of been worse but maybe it was just a warning. There's lots of hype over here in the British media about the upcoming London Marathon and it says there's around 30,000 to attend, Back to the time of the first explosion 4 into 9 as a decimal is .44444 recurring and it happened .44ms and it stuck with me until today and I remember watching some clip on youtube about the rockefeller foundation ' predicting ' 13000 to die in London
anyway 44% of 30,000 is 13,200, maybe 44 is a symbolic number i don't know, as I said its probably nothing but still a thought is sometimes worth putting to paper for the what ifs, I know you can make numbers fit and I'm not a smart guy but just pondering on it made me think, Sorry if I've wasted anyone's time, No bs intended

Originally posted by crazyewok
reply to post by Honor93

 

You need permitts to buy explosives but not the precuser chems. One type of bomb can be made from blonde hair dye and nail vanish remover!

In uk our firework and chem laws are laxer than the usa but cant see you not being able to buy hair dye and nail vanish remover.

Most likely Black Powder. Crude black powder can be made fairly easily find a tight container to pack it into and some shrapnel to go along with it and you have a bomb. Also notice the large plume of smoke and the people saying it smelled heavy of sulfur these are tell tell signs of black powder.

From a facebook post i saw.

"The Finish Line Of The Boston Marathon Was 666 Boylston St."

"It was dedicated to sandy hook. That's why it was 26 miles long. Also 26 seconds on silence... And they were also there"


What do you guys take on it?

That mailbox looks remarkably undamaged.

Originally posted by MRuss
I'm trying to read through all 113 pages here, but I give up.

I'm wondering if anyone has commented on the timing? I mean, they detonated the bombs more than 2 hours after the first people came over the finish line. The band stands were mostly empty--the buzz moments were old.

Do you think it might have been because the first people over the finish line are usually not Americans? Usually Africans and other foreigners? They, of course, would know that and to exact maximum damage, they waited.

Also, any comments on placement? It seemed they weren't really targeting runners, but spectators.

It may not have had anything to do with the nation of the runners' placement, but rather when the bomber(s) thought the most people would be there to see the main group of finishers. I don't really know much about marathons, so I don't know if there's typically a bigger crowd for the first finishers or for the average time runners.

reply to post by mrfire9


Marathons have been 26 miles long, long before Sandy Hook.

"America's New Bomb Threat"

www.abovetopsecret.com.

reply to post by JayinAR


I just saw the post i never knew it was always 26.

Bomb Squad Responding To Report Of Suspicious Package At Ohio State University

www.10tv.com...

Students being evacuated.


Package reportedly exploded in Memorial drive Atlanta reports of possibly one injured.

twitter.com...

I came across some pictures from Deadspin showing pictures someone took of the finish line area almost a minute before the bomb.

deadspin.com...

Maybe someone can embed the images for me, they weren't working in my preview post.

Originally posted by JayinAR
That mailbox looks remarkably undamaged.

I know 3 people died and 100s were injured, but I also think this was a VERY amateurish bomb. Seeing the first picture with HUNDREDS of people and the bomb basically in the midst of them, a "real" bomb (sorry, I don't know how else to phrase it) would have probably killed MANY, MANY more. There is no damage really even in the second picture, the mailbox is still in tact and most other things. A bomb of "terrorist grade" would have blown out windows within a several blocks radius, damaged and lit on fire cars/buildings and done MUCH more damage, deaths and injured.