Is it fair that the BBC will NOT play 'The wicked witch is dead?' The last I heard it was number

Why should the BBC get away with this? They say it is disrespectful towards thatcher ... ohh well never mind that she was buddies with the biggest high profile paedophile the uk has ever known. Come on BBC you need to earn back that respect. thatcher was rotten to core and you know it! We pay our tv licence, you keep letting everyone down.

Does anyone else see any irony in the fact that the British people have made this number one - through a significant percentage having a loathing of this woman (fact as shown in newspapers and this site), and yet the government is forking out millions on this funeral? Suggests that many of the politicians may be out of touch with their constituents?

Better that half your listeners just miss out on a song as opposed to the other half being mortally insulted and wanting to rip your head off.

A little common sense would have answered your question.

Your post is blank, I assume you will fill it with, well, something!

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reply to post by happinness

I thought the decision was a compromise - ie just playing part of it.
But who cares where it is in the charts?
Protest songs are an important part of democracy and free speech but this isn't a protest song per se. It is dancing on the grave of someone whose funeral has not even been held yet. It's not even like her death marks the end of a system.
By all means criticise her, by all means have the debate.
But to promote this song while the funeral plans are underway is vile and juvenile and without any care or consideration towards the family. I sincerely hope that those responsible will rot in hell.

Originally posted by templar knight
Does anyone else see any irony in the fact that the British people have made this number one - through a significant percentage having a loathing of this woman (fact as shown in newspapers and this site), and yet the government is forking out millions on this funeral? Suggests that many of the politicians may be out of touch with their constituents?

Percentage on a newspaper doesn't always equate to #1/ So active people on various sites agree' doesn't mean that the Country does.

Originally posted by ownbestenemy
Percentage on a newspaper doesn't always equate to #1/ So active people on various sites agree' doesn't mean that the Country does.

Good point. A lot of people liked her and supported her, a lot of people hated her and some couldn't give a rats *rse either way. Everyone I know is pro Thatcher. A coal mining area would probably be anti.
You would need a properly conducted poll to guage the overall opinion.

Originally posted by starchild10

Originally posted by ownbestenemy
Percentage on a newspaper doesn't always equate to #1/ So active people on various sites agree' doesn't mean that the Country does.

Good point. A lot of people liked her and supported her, a lot of people hated her and some couldn't give a rats *rse either way.
You would need a properly conducted poll to guage the overall opinion.

And honestly, the argument is split. I wasn't taking side on the matter as I believe as you do; there are plenty pro and con for her. But ascribing to a paper as your proof of backing is nothing in this day and age. People are fickle and completely absent political happenings over the past 30+ years. As long as "I love Raymond" or "American Ido" is on the channel they were told it was, all is good.

I'm not sure it matters if they play it or not , the point has been made .
Ding Dong ...

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the witch is dead!

Is this not a conspiracy?

Had the BBC not commented I would not have known about this.

The fact that it has been mentioned almost every half hour, on the news, with comments on some other programmes, means I know more about this than I do about any other piece of music.

So, is this a reflection on the BBC's own views?

One other point, I do not know of this "Top 10", I first thought it was just free downloads, but now I think it has to be paid for, which means, the poor people who are protesting have enough spare cash to pay to download this song, which must be good news for the owners/providers?

Originally posted by happinness
Why should the BBC get away with this? They say it is disrespectful towards thatcher ... ohh well never mind that she was buddies with the biggest high profile paedophile the uk has ever known. Come on BBC you need to earn back that respect. thatcher was rotten to core and you know it! We pay our tv licence, you keep letting everyone down.

edit on 13-4-2013 by happinness because: mistake .. sorry

Some of the arguments about this are truly pathetic. I've seen people in this country claiming it's a "Human right" to have the song played in full! What utter mindless BS.

Think of it like this for a moment... If a racist, homophobic or religiously intolerant song managed to get to the number one spot, through an active campaign of hatred, solely intended to attack another group of people, would the public be demanding that it be played in full, or would there be protests against it?

Why is this any different?

The only reason this has got to number one is to attack a grieving family and insult a dead grandmother. It's not there because people love the song, it is a political attack against others. It is no different to some hate group doing the same.

If Peter Tatchell had that kind of status in public life, and passed away, and some group of homophobic bigots decided to spend a hell of a lot of money to get some disgusting song to the number one spot, the BBC would do the same thing and play a clean few seconds of it and put it into context, explaining the situation. And the people would be fine with that, because they would understand that it was only done to attack others.

This is no different. This has been done to attack individuals, and the BBC is not there to be used as a political tool to attack individuals for the entertainment of others.

The right to NOT BE ATTACKED is greater than the right of a few imbeciles to attack them.

I would play it as her coffin is chucked in the ground.

What a Bitch.

Originally posted by Rocker2013

Originally posted by happinness
Why should the BBC get away with this? They say it is disrespectful towards thatcher ... ohh well never mind that she was buddies with the biggest high profile paedophile the uk has ever known. Come on BBC you need to earn back that respect. thatcher was rotten to core and you know it! We pay our tv licence, you keep letting everyone down.

edit on 13-4-2013 by happinness because: mistake .. sorry

Some of the arguments about this are truly pathetic. I've seen people in this country claiming it's a "Human right" to have the song played in full! What utter mindless BS.

Think of it like this for a moment... If a racist, homophobic or religiously intolerant song managed to get to the number one spot, through an active campaign of hatred, solely intended to attack another group of people, would the public be demanding that it be played in full, or would there be protests against it?

Why is this any different?

The only reason this has got to number one is to attack a grieving family and insult a dead grandmother. It's not there because people love the song, it is a political attack against others. It is no different to some hate group doing the same.

If Peter Tatchell had that kind of status in public life, and passed away, and some group of homophobic bigots decided to spend a hell of a lot of money to get some disgusting song to the number one spot, the BBC would do the same thing and play a clean few seconds of it and put it into context, explaining the situation. And the people would be fine with that, because they would understand that it was only done to attack others.

This is no different. This has been done to attack individuals, and the BBC is not there to be used as a political tool to attack individuals for the entertainment of others.

The right to NOT BE ATTACKED is greater than the right of a few imbeciles to attack them.

edit on 13-4-2013 by Rocker2013 because: (no reason given)

Rocker2013

You are spot on and exactly correct in your post....

Regardless what any persons view of Margaret Thatcher is for those ''crying'' about a song NOT being played, they should really consider what they are saying and stop acting like spoilt children making purile comments.....

I commend your post Rocker 2013 because it makes the position crystal clear..........

Regards

PDUK

You're in England. You guys do not have guaranteed Freedom of Speech. So yes, it is fair.

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Nicely put Rocker.

Nothing else to add!

reply to post by happinness


Happiness.....

You make me laugh ........

Why....?

Because in a previous thread of yours you talked about Humanism and it's similarity to an alien culture.......and i quote -

"My reasoning is they promote a strile, clinical life, which eventually would make you devode of feelings.''
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Are theses the Same Feelings you have conviently lost in relation to a dead female prime minister and her family all over a silly bloody politically motivated song...?

Regards

PDUK

reply to post by happinness


I think that not playing the song is the right thing to do. I feel this way because no matter what else Margaret Thatcher was, she was first and foremost a human being and should be treated as such. The people who revel in her death are both crass and pathetic and it is my most sincere hope that they grow up and allow her to be buried in with dignity.

Rev

The BBC can do whatever they want really. Sure they get stick from the papers for breaking their code, scapegoats are made, but they still remain safe in their position and their extortionate income will remain secured. The epitome of corruption.

As for the Ding Dong situation. Well, you can argue that there are grieving people who have still not buried their loved one. But on the other hand, how many people lives did she ruin, and how many people's graves did she dance on, figuratively? Why should she be given the same respect in death that she failed, and even refused, to give while alive?

To be fair to the BBC they were going to get stick regardless of what they chose to do. A compromise does seem the sensible thing. They should really be playing the charts as the charts, regardless of the songs in them or their political / personal intent. The BBC should be completely unbiased. The charts reflect what the people bought during the week, they do not reflect the views of the BBC (or any other radio station that plays them).

Of course people want the BBC to be impartial except when it comes to their views, and this is where the BBC often fails to live up to its code, because they would sooner give into that pressure than deal with the crap that will come otherwise. While they partially did give into it in this instance, it seems at least they were willing to come to a compromise.

Either way, I find it hilarious that such a song made it into the charts. People can pass the buck and condemn the people who bought it, but really its a reflection on how bad that woman was to people during her reign. Accept it.

Originally posted by starchild10
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I thought the decision was a compromise - ie just playing part of it.

I don't know if you can call it compromise because they will not be playing any of the song at all on the usual 'chart show' where the full no. 1 would usually be played. It's more censoring than compromise.
The BBC will be playing a 5 second clip of the song ( I'm betting it will not contain the 'witch is dead' part) in a news report, completely seperate from the chart show.

But to promote this song while the funeral plans are underway is vile and juvenile and without any care or consideration towards the family. I sincerely hope that those responsible will rot in hell.

reply to post by starchild10


Do you know who you are talking about?

Her daughter is an ignorant racist and the son is an arms dealer of the worst kind....just like his mother!

This family don't deserve any respect, they are everything that's wrong with society and the world

And we are all entitled to free speech, I don't care for the song but I believe people can protest in any none violent way they chose, this song is a not violent protest against this vile person...I can't even refer to her as a woman she was so vile

£10 million state funeral....makes me sick