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Originally posted by neo96
When this country was founded it was founded with the severe distrust of government which is the greatest enemy to the people when a government is for of and by itself, and does not represent the people,it is treason.
Obviously opinions vary, as they always will, and especially as to whether the government we have may be considered legitimate or not, but given the question of how to define treason, I'll stick with the Constitution on that.
Originally posted by neo96
Yes they will, but I do have problems with that "get out of jail free card" the government is totally unaccountable.
Love it or hate it, the government we have today is what the Constitution has given us. It can be changed, but the willingness of so many "patriots" to forgo the ballet box in favor of the bullet box is nothing more nor less than a de facto rejection of the Constitution
Originally posted by neo96
I don't buy that the government we have today is what politicians have "given" us the constitution has had little to do with that, because it is largely ignored.
My beef here is with (and I'm trying not to use the "H-Word") using the Constitution to justify what is actually contempt for the Constitution. It comes up all the time in "gun control" debates and serves only to give strength to arguments in favor of more control.
Originally posted by neo96
Ok fine it's not treason what should one call it then?
To the extent such activity is against the law, I call it "crime".
To the extent odious and unconscionable behavior that causes unjust and demonstrable harm to people is not illegal, I call that cause for appropriate legislation.
To the extent people will inevitably disagree on what "appropriate legislation" actually is (as I mentioned, I think most of it should be abolished), I call that a need for an agreed-upon framework for determining it.
And here in the Good Ole U.S.A. where I live, I call that framework "the Constitution of the United States of America".
Sheesh. Am I getting cheesy or what? Somebody quick, pass me a flag!
Originally posted by neo96
How about a beer worth more, and has better mileage.
I'm disappointed our Congress is as dysfunctional as it is
Originally posted by MysteriousHusky
As a student of American Politics, I blame the filibuster process. It has become a stall tactic.
Originally posted by ZombieJesus
reply to post by TauCetixeta
So you're saying that our congressmen, who's job it is to read and introduce "legalese gobbly goop" should get a pass on this because it's difficult to understand?
If a congressmen needs a lawyer to decode their own work, they shouldn't be a congressmen.
Originally posted by Phoenix
I really don't care who wants to debate semantics or preamble sentences. When it says "shall not be infringed" they meant just that period. No discussion, no debate, no prevarication - juist simply leave it alone!