Self-Esteem, Love, and Society

reply to post by Bluesma


Awesome that last post of you Bluesma. So you live in France. I'm a natural Belgian, in Belgium.

Originally posted by greyer

Most of us struggle to maintain a sense of compassion and understanding toward others. Self-centered people, on the other hand, don’t bother to take the time to understand another person’s point-of-view or feelings.

If you have an understanding of what it means to be human you will have compassion and understanding for all of humanity. What better model do you have than yourself? Know thyself.

There are those that lose their personality just because they want to follow rules of behavior while the rule is to cultivate personality. They put their personality aside and just start to act good. That is weird. One senses it is completely not them.

Hmm, am I strange?

Originally posted by Angle
There are those that lose their personality just because they want to follow rules of behavior while the rule is to cultivate personality. They put their personality aside and just start to act good. That is weird. One senses it is completely not them.

Hmm, am I strange?

What is 'personality'? Are you a 'person'?
If one 'acts' good then that is the 'person' you want to be - a 'good person'.
Can you ever find what a person is? Look now for the person you 'think' you are.

What are you really?

reply to post by Itisnowagain


Yes, you're right, then the person just does good. What is a personality then. The flesh, like it is told in the bible. Lose personality it is now, lose ego. Yeah, what is personality. It's all ego. I am nothing, so I can be everything.

I think I kind of lost track of myself, just to say it in these words.

reply to post by Angle


Thank you- We're neighbors then!!

reply to post by Bluesma


Don't you just love psyduck?

Originally posted by Angle
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

Yes, you're right, then the person just does good. What is a personality then. The flesh, like it is told in the bible. Lose personality it is now, lose ego. Yeah, what is personality. It's all ego. I am nothing, so I can be everything.

The 'person' is the story of you in time. Yes - it does not exist.
Presence is all - what is presence? It is not a 'thing'.
There are no 'things'.
Just this - ever present.

reply to post by Itisnowagain


Itisnow again-
I often counter you in discussion precisely because of the problem we are looking at here.

I remember quite well the experience of no ego, of no self /other separation, where it is always now, and Love Is.
(it is, but it is not for these words between us)

But there was a reality in which there is separation, and a body that is me and another that is you, and for others, I was a empty shell; an empty shell is easy to abuse because there is no evident feelings or self to respect. There is no boundry.

But in that space/time of hereandnow, Pain Is. Love may be too. The whole universe is Pain while being abused.
Having no boundries attracts abuse.
Having no boundries is misunderstood by others as being empty,
instead of fullness and oneness.
Having no boundries means no expression or projection. (no way to have relationships, to work, to feed oneself...)

If you were to be successful in moving a consciousness back into the lack of separation ,
You might be responsible for someone having to be put into a psychiatric hospital for their own protection, or beign abused or even killed by others.

Men especially find the ego a cage they fantasize about getting out of, but some of us know through experience that it can also be a very useful vehicle for consciousness.

reply to post by Bluesma


If your way works stick with it.

Originally posted by Bluesma

If you were to be successful in moving a consciousness back into the lack of separation ,
You might be responsible for someone having to be put into a psychiatric hospital for their own protection, or beign abused or even killed by others.

Would you mind expanding more on what you wrote above as I am having trouble understanding what is meant by it?

reply to post by Itisnowagain


Okay.
If there is someone on this board that is psychologically unstable.... weak boundries, (perhaps from the kinds of neglect or abuse we mention here) and are in the process of trying to construct an ego, through which they can interact with others, be able to be an active part of society, have a job, pay bills, experience "objective" love (in which two separate people experience touchign each others' skin boundries) ,

then if you were able to convince them to reject that fragile newly constructed sense of self and boundry,
then they would again be handicapped in society- unable to have relationships (for a relation necessitates two separate things to relate with each other), unable to work (for how can I do this when there is no I?), to communciate effectively (how can I tell you what I feel, need, want, intend, if there is no I? ).

The psy hospitals are full of people whose consciousness is in that state of herenowoneness. Except we call them "Catatonic", or "autistic" or "stupid" or other terms which suggest there is nothing inside. (Because we do not see they are everything inside).

This is a reality of matter, you are a separate being here, with a physical body that is able to push keys on a keyboard, and others are different than you- they might not need to have their ego destroyed, they might be in a process of trying to build one.

You can't respect others unless you recognize they are "other".

I doubt that anything you write here will have such an influence on people who have a strong sense of self and are very ego-centric..... it can only have a potential effect upon those whose ego is fragile yet, and vulnerable. (you do not know who here is presently posting from a psychiatric hospital, for example!)

-and maybe I assume it is understood, but shouldn't- this is especially a problem for females, who run into some serious trouble being sexually violated when they do not have that sense of boundry....

reply to post by Bluesma


What you define is what living in this world leads us to. The world you are part of. The world of the ego-centric with all their flaws. There needs to balance now, not? A few selfless, a couple selves. The selves chose to make some selfless, just out of fear. Such an idiotic selves. Maybe they are the ones who need to be called selfless, and we are the selves. Check the other way around. The worlds within the world. It's not all rainbows and sunshine here.

Originally posted by Angle
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What you define is what living in this world leads us to. The world you are part of.

Yep.

reply to post by Bluesma


Are you experiencing 'boundary issues'?
I never mentioned anything about 'boundaries'. I am not sure the psy hospital ward patients would interpret my post the way you have.
I am still trying to get my head around what I have read - what do you think an 'ego' is?

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
If you have an understanding of what it means to be human you will have compassion and understanding for all of humanity. What better model do you have than yourself? Know thyself.

I don't think anyone can learn compassion from themselves, but I am also not saying they must believe in something to learn compassion. It is like nature, the wind blowing through a canyon on the night of a lunar eclipse. The magic of earth is what teaches us, I am much more of a student than I am a tree of knowledge. The whole thread is a metaphor, self-esteem is a metaphor. We are that we are yet there is a giver of spirit and knowledge, so we can say 'I am' and say 'I am not,' and still be right. A person who is not smiling is happy, and a person laughing is sad. Still in all this spinning of the cosmos there is a line between what is real and what is not real. In the acknowledgement of consciousness on earth the difference between fake and real is telling the truth of how you are feeling, and to not necessarily have compassion for society but to have compassion for being social in society - it is putting the understanding of thought into action.