Court rules 8 Oregon children to be vaccinated against parents' will

reply to post by bozzchem

I live in Oregon, and I find this somewhat scary.
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It isn't as if all vaccines are either good or bad.
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When I was a child, the only vaccination required for school was smallpox, and you can't even get that one anymore since the disease is essentially extinct.
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Now, kids get a couple of dozen shots. I appreciate the haemophilus influenza Type B vaccination (HIB). I got the disease after my kids were vaccinated, and I found it annoying. Getting it when I did cost me quite a lot, actually.
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Some of the others are quite ridiculous: Hepatitis B? Hepatitis C? My children are neither sexually active nor do they use illegal injected drugs.
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I have also seen criticism of MMR. This one is notorious for its preservatives, so receiving the three vaccines separately seems to make more sense.
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Influenza, these days, has become ridiculous. I used to get the shots. I had the Hong Kong Flu in 1972, or thereabouts. It was quite unpleasant. After that, I got the annual shots for a while, but the past few years, I have avoided them. You get better resistance from actually getting the disease than from getting the vaccination.
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The best recommendation I've seen has been to limit injections to one per office visit, rather than three or four. In between you can detoxify to get rid of the mercury by eating cilantro and certain other vegetables.
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Gardasil, though? There are some real horror stories on YouTube. That's one we need to obstruct.

My friend's baby died at two months old within 24 hours of receiving Prevnar. That baby was born completely healthy and beautiful. I don't care what her doctors say, that vaccination killed that baby.

I refuse to vaccinate my child. She is 9 years old and has not received one shot. Her immune system is incredible and something to behold. She gets sick with a cold and it's gone in 2 days, that is... when she gets sick. She is never sick. On the other hand, my sisters children who are fully vaccinated are constantly sick and on some form of an antibiotic or running to the dr or ER for something.

I also home school, for many many reasons. Take your children out of these damn public schools. You know, my daughter is reading on 7th grade level and her math skills are the same, while my sister has a 10 year old that can barely flipping use proper grammar and English. The schools are not teaching our children to be intelligent.

Originally posted by daryllyn
Is this one more step towards mandatory vaccines?

I remember a recent story where nurses lost their jobs because, they didn't want to get a flu shot.

There was also a recent thread about our children not being 'ours' anymore, could this be further evidence of that?

I don't vaccinate my children anymore. I was given several vaccines that were required for college and my health took a nosedive after receiving them. I can't prove a link, but, I can't get past the feeling that they played a role. I will be affected by this for the rest of my life and I will not subject my children to them. If they wish to get inoculated when they are adults, that is fine. They will be old enough to understand the risks at that point. I don't think it is right to inject them with something that could have life long consequences before they have the cognitive ability to fully understand that choice.

I had a neurologist who is also a disease specialist and has studied immunology all of his life tell me that he strongly believes that the small pox vaccine I got as a child contributed to the immune system issues I suffer with now. I have MS and have fought off Epstein Barr. No other doctor I have seen in my life would admit to such a thing, but this doctor says it is very possible. He also believes that these vaccines are poison and never allowed his own children to have them.

Originally posted by pslr2301
I would much rather they get exposed to chicken pox naturally and naturally grow the antibodies their own way like I did then be safe for a few years and get it when they are adults and less able to fight it off.

I hope your hubby decides against them soon! =)

WEEE Pox Party!

I hear they are fun and the kids love them....

reply to post by bozzchem


hrm , while i usually side with the parents or even the kid in these situations, most LARGE families i have known are complete poor white trash(ghetto,scum bags ect ect), i don't want to label them because i cant find anything on the family and there is that ONE family on tv with half a nation in its household that seem ok other than being super religious (that's just me ^^)

so if they are of the poor white trash type, id bet this was more of a ha ha f u parents for spitting in judges face talking back swearing ect ect.

or this all stemmed from going to public schools. get a tutor and just get G.E.D. a high school degree means nothing anymore and lucky if it gets you burger king cashier, hell even a BS degree doesn't even mean jack $%^& anymore

if its not and they are all great people and great parents then i say burn the judge he/she should know better than to mess with families.

Precedence usually evolves. Once our inalienable rights are taken away from some and allowed, they will be taken away from all eventually. I see a lot of problems from this action if it is not reversed.

reply to post by Hopechest


Stupid drone

Originally posted by Hopechest
reply to post by bozzchem

 

And if a parent decides they want to conduct female genital mutilation as part of their religious beliefs on their young daughter should the state allow that also?

After all, don't the parents know better what is for their children or not?

I am starting to belief that this particular ATS member is a troll and nothing but...

Originally posted by Hopechest

Originally posted by daryllyn
reply to post by Hopechest

 

My sister is a nurse and was required to get a flu shot or lose her job.

She didn't want to but did anyways and is just fine.

I'm sorry she was put into that position.

I don't think it is right to force someone to be injected with anything, ever.

I can understand the reasoning behind it from a nursing standpoint, because, it is essentially to protect the patients that may be immunocompromised, but, I don't agree that the employee's rights should be violated by forcing them to chose between their job or an inoculation.

Vaccination should not be mandated.

She almost quit over it, even managed to get most of the other nurses to agree with her but in the end it came down to their job or the shot. Shes got a degree in virus biology or whatever it is and swore up and down that if she got the shot it would simply weaken her to further mutations of the virus later down the road. I didn't understand all that she was saying but I guess she wanted her insane paycheck. lol

Your problem right there.

reply to post by Hopechest


My sister works for the health care system she is a radiologist, has been for 30 years, until this day she has never gotten a vaccination of any kind be flu or other and still hold her job and doing fine.



forced vaccinations is tyranny plain and simple.

I do have my children vaccinated, my youngest is about to have some more and i am concerned about the number they give at one time, he's 3 and i think his next set he is having 5, one of which is the MMR.

I do however think that it should be up to the parents to decide, however these parents do not have custody of the children (do we know why?) so they dont get a say in what happens.

i do think there is some truth though, in the fact that those who choose not to vaccinate rely on the fact that the majority do, to protect their kids, as a previous poster has mentioned, we are now having outbreaks in the Uk because people refused the MMR.
i dont understand those parents who didnt want the MMR but then wouldnt put their hands in their pockets to pay for the single injections.

reply to post by WilsonWilson


I am not against vaccinations, some are indeed necessary, but in the last 20 years or so our babies has become pin cushions to big pharma from the time they are out of the uterus.

We are the most vaccinated nation in the world but our babies are not healthier or live longer than other countries in the world with all the health care and vaccination available.

So I see this as a big concern for young mothers today and something that needs further investigation.

A baby should never be infused with vaccinations right after birth when the body nervous system and brain is still in its most delicate developmental stage.

By age 5 that is another story, but so soon after birth is too soon and dangerous.

“I think I'll go with ... ‘High-velocity, well-aimed lead projectiles’ for $500, Alex.”

Some of the clowns who I see commenting here (not naming names, but Tinkerbell is a good example) who are openly advocating such blatant and disgraceful disregard of individual sovereignty -- you people are on the wrong side of the fence. Or you are in high-school / college.

In the past I would've prayed that you'd never have to see war with your own eyes in order to cultivate a healthy distrust of government.

Now, however, only the willfully blind could ignore the haze of conflict crystallizing on the horizon just up ahead, and cementing itself there, as an inevitable part of America's future.

Perhaps if people were more knowlegable about the history of the ground which they're standing upon, they would not be so cavalier about siding with career bureaucrats.

But, whatever. Same cycle, different epoch. Nothing new under the sun.

~E.C.

the children were removed from the home

this is the least of their concerns tbh

and against your "religious beliefs" ?

what a crock

this is not the state driving around forcing vaccinations randomly. these parents lost their rights when they lost the kids.

Originally posted by bozzchem
So a court can order your children poisoned against your will in Oregon.

Tyranny

A ruling from The Oregon Court of Appeals said that the parents did not have the right to exempt their children from forced vaccinations after child welfare workers and the Oregon Department of Human Services fought to obtain a court order demanding the children receive multiple vaccinations last year. The court also decided that since the state had custody of the children, it had the right to make all their medical decisions without the parents' consent. Although the children are living with relatives, they are considered wards of the state. The parents, who say vaccinations are against their religious beliefs, had their children removed for undisclosed reasons last year after the state claimed concerns over their welfare. Despite the ruling, it appears the children have yet to be vaccinated while the parents have the option of appealing the ruling to Oregon's Supreme Court.

As a biochemist who has worked in the vaccine industry for the last 8 years, I think I might know a bit more than some black robed tyrant regarding what is or isn't best for my child. Apparently said tyrants, in Oregon, have the ability to force a child to receive the shot(s) without regard to what a well educated and informed parent knows regarding the cocktails of poison?

Believe what you wish about vaccines. I am not here to convince you nor to debate you. I KNOW what is in many of them and wouldn't even think about letting a member of my family be injected with one.

To insist that me or a member of my family be injected against our will is an act of aggression that deserves a similar response. What is the recourse? To provide a high velocity lead injection to those who insist they have the right to inject your children?

As a parent, it is your responsibility to take care of your child. If you are OK with your child being injected with these toxins, so be it. Should a parent who knows precisely what is in them and decides their child will not be injected with them be subjected to a court ordered poisoning of their child?

I think not.

If that's how you feel, how could you work in that industry, helping to develop vaccines to "poison" other peoples children? You "wouldn't think of letting a member of your family be injected with one", but your ok with helping the industry develop them for use on other people? wow. Do you sleep ok at night?

Originally posted by Hopechest
reply to post by bozzchem

 

And if a parent decides they want to conduct female genital mutilation as part of their religious beliefs on their young daughter should the state allow that also?

After all, don't the parents know better what is for their children or not?

Ahem.... How is genital mutilation at all related to the issue here? And if you are going to bring up female genital mutilation and the possibility that the parents may think that it is "best" for their child, what ethical difference is there between male genital mutilation (circumcision) and female genital mutilation? (That's an issue for a different thread.) In any case, especially since there are ethical questions regarding safety and long-term effects of vaccines, nobody should be forced to vaccinate their child.

reply to post by thoiter


Maybe you are underestimating the power of Time to cause a person's outlook and understanding to change.

You may also be under the impression that the OP was privy to eight years worth of firsthand experience, by the end of his first day on the job. But that isn't exactly logical. Either way, ‘tis probably better not to judge sans facts.

~E.C.

reply to post by syrinx high priest


So what that means? that the children now are at the mercy of state sponsoring testing labs for big pharma vaccinations.

Well I see it now, that is how big pharma get to collect their lab rats.

Originally posted by daryllyn
Is this one more step towards mandatory vaccines?

I remember a recent story where nurses lost their jobs because, they didn't want to get a flu shot.

There was also a recent thread about our children not being 'ours' anymore, could this be further evidence of that?

I don't vaccinate my children anymore. I was given several vaccines that were required for college and my health took a nosedive after receiving them. I can't prove a link, but, I can't get past the feeling that they played a role. I will be affected by this for the rest of my life and I will not subject my children to them. If they wish to get inoculated when they are adults, that is fine. They will be old enough to understand the risks at that point. I don't think it is right to inject them with something that could have life long consequences before they have the cognitive ability to fully understand that choice.

some Hospital's have a policy that requires it health workers to get the flu shot policy to get flu shots, although some say it doesn't really do any good.

Do you have child? I have a two year old and she gets all her shots. I think my sister though, didn't let her daughter get shots, her first child has autism and she believes that the shots might have caused it

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by syrinx high priest

 

So what that means? that the children now are at the mercy of state sponsoring testing labs for big pharma vaccinations.

Well I see it now, that is how big pharma get to collect their lab rats.

The children are not lab rats, they are not trying some new vaccine on them. Could be that states policy. I would love to know why the kids were taken away from their parents. The article states reasons not known