Objects Out of Time

Nice thread idea. Here is another one to add.
The Baigong pipes.

The Baigong Pipes are a series of pipe-like features found on and near Mount Baigong about 40 km southeast of the city of Delingha, in the Haixi Mongol and Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture, Qinghai Province, China. The Baigong Pipes are reported to be associated with a “pyramid” about 50 to 60 meters (160 to 200 feet high) built on Mount Baigong. The front of the “pyramid” is reported to contain three caves. The mouths of the two smaller caves have collapsed. Only the largest cave, which is 6 meters (18 feet) high, can be entered. Two Baigong Pipes have been reported from the largest cave. One of these is described as being 40 cm (16 in) in diameter and preserved as a reddish-brown “half-pipe”. Within the same cave, another pipe-like feature of similar diameter was also found. “Dozens” of upright pipe-like features, about 10 to 40 cm (4 to 16 inches) in diameter, were also found protruding from Mount Baigong above the largest cave.

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Originally posted by Silcone Synapse

Originally posted by Harte

The Vikings used a common calcite crystal - called Icelandic Spar.

You can pick one up off the ground and use it to find the Sun on any cloudy day.

This form of calcite polarizes the light, eliminating a lot of the scattering of the Sun's rays that clouds do.

Really.

Harte

Ah,cheers-seems I have only read the over hyped info on that one then.
I shall have to aqquire a bit of the calcite crystal and have a go myself.

Read my thread on calcite crystals in the pineal gland if you want some info. Its in my sig below.

There was a miners hat dug out of a collapsed mine dated the same age as the material it was surrounded in.

Hint?

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Suppressed info gives the ...... Power of control over the masses

Plain and simple, I don't know why everyone is struggling to understand this.

When the masses take over, it begins again.. The truth prevails but it take time as always

One of my favorites is the Ramsus II statue at Luxor in Egypt. The statue head is made of stone and the left side of the face is exactly mirrored symmetry of the right side.

Freaking Amazing!



No small feat with today's technology but impossible with the copper tooling we are suppose to believe Egyptians used at the time.

There was another thread on ATS a while back about some astounding ooparts. Nails that had been totally embedded in rocks. Petrified trees from the bottom of the Baltic Sea with axe marks on them. Stone bowls, plates, tools from deep in the strata of the earth that can only mean it is hundreds of millions of years old. I will have to try and find it and link it.

Which makes me wonder, why do they go through so much trouble to cover up all of these things?

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Here's is something that amazed be. These reports came out in 2005, I heard about them on coast 2 coast in 2006. Looked into them for awhile seemed real intresting, and couldn't help put notice that it punched a few holes in Global Warming.

Recently I tried to research them for a thread. Guess what?? I can't find very much on them now. Buried, hidden,
surpressed your guess is as good as mine.

I will write up some notes on the U.S. Climate Change Science Workshop, but I’d like to post up some information on a couple of interesting reports in the past few days on archaeological discoveries in a receding glacier on a high Swiss pass towards Italy, sent in by a reader. Glacier retreat in the hot 2003 summer exposed remains from several distinct periods: from ~ 2800-2500 BC; from 2000-1750 BC; ~150 BC-250 AD; and the MWP up to the 14th/15th Century. I’ve tidied some machine translations from the German to give a gist of the articles; I’ve not tried to figure out the details of the translation as the gist is pretty clear. The archaeologists say that summer temperatures were warmer in these past warm periods

climateaudit.org... etreating-swiss-glacier/

Yes, the Norse discovered Newfoundland, Canada at around 1000 C.E. I don't think they traded with the natives, rather they slaughtered them, as seems to be the trend with European settlers.

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Hi Smylee!

Maybe in the future there will be some more "curiosities" from Antikythera.
This is from this year and from the Guardian/UK.

> "Return to Antikythera: what divers discovered in the deep"

www.guardian.co.uk...

They didn't find much so far - but...

> "He (Foley, the excavator) wants to use metal detectors to map the distribution of metal and ceramic objects buried beneath the surface, as well as dig a few test trenches. "I'm intensely curious about what's in the sediments," he says.

Cousteau only excavated a few square metres of the site but that was enough to reveal more than two hundred items, including jewellery, coins and small bronze statues. But while previous visits to the wreck have been little more than salvage expeditions, Foley says he'd love to carry out a systematic, scientific excavation of the wreck site, if he can find anyone to sponsor him: "As soon as we have the money we'll be back."

So stay tuned!

A

Keep up the good work SmyleeGrl!

Your three examples clearly ring of the kind of authenticity that denies ignorance.

The Norse trade routes used Greenland and Newfoundland as stepping stones that could be used to cache supplies not unlike the staging technique used to ascend Mt Everest. Perfectly logical that Norse traders would have traveled south down coasts and and inland rivers in search of trade and supplies once reaching north America.

The Mexican artifacts would have required a longer journey west helped along by the Easterly trade winds. The Mediterranean pyramid culture probably migrated to Mexico that way. Perhaps it was the sailers expert knowledge of navigation and time keeping that created the Mexican pyramid culture? They also had some medical knowledge and carried provisions of vitamin "C" to prevent scurvy.


The library at Alexandria held artifacts like that around 400 AD which were disappeared during the dark ages.

1500 years older than Stonehenge and predating the great pyramid at Giza the Newgrange observatory in Ireland still holds a lot of hidden clues that have not been published. Disclosure appears to be restricted to that which is "self evident". Although the Antikythera device was a remarkable engineering feat the basic design and mathematics may have been worked out 3000 years earlier at Lagrange YKMMV.

www.thejournal.ie...

All we can do is provide links to the esoteric sources.

Love your posts! thanks for another great one.

I'd only heard of the "The Antikythera Mechanism" before. The other two were new to me. So thanks for that! When things like this get discovered it really makes me wonder how they can expect people to sit back on the history they are told and STILL consider it fact.

The saddest part, most people do.

The overarching lesson to be learned here is that our ancestors were not as "backward" or "primitive" as many of us have been led to believe. They accomplished great feats, whether that was in conjunction with ET assistance is up for debate. Yet there is no debating the fact that these relics stand testament to human innovation and engineering.

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Interesting observation, to back up this hypothesis it is worth noting that Quetzalcoatl and Viracocha were bearded blond men (neither trait being native to the Amerindian people's) and indeed Conquistadores' were aided by the fact that several of there number were fair haired (just like the Norse) and the Aztec's thought them sun god's as the race memory was still recent enough for them to identify there appearance with there deity.

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They hide or more accurately ignore find's such as this when they do not fit the perceived chronology as there are reputation's at stake and nice plush offices with history bursary's to be had in university's if only there discovery's do not rock too many boat's,.

Evidence of high technology would if sufficient be concealed or discredited by military and corporate government as there would be the potential to find new weapon's technology or to exploit the technology for military purpose, the same reason's why these find's are some time's destroyed.

The belief they may cause unrest and the possible collapse of organised religion's and there attendant culture's, economy and government's. In other word's there fear and lack of faith in the overall human nature.

It seems that there is a huge chunk of history missing from mankind. I have often wondered if it was deliberate. When I study history it just feels like we have been here before and somehow lost it all over and over again. Imagine how life would today if we never lost a step ?

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
This one is possibly the most mind boggling of all.
They are human footprints,in what has now become rock,which date back to the Permian age.
That was 298million years-250million years ago.

Let that sink in.

Who the heck was that?A human?A God?An alien?
250 million years ago,walking in the mud...

In 1987, not far from the Zapata track site, paleontologist Jerry MacDonald discovered a variety of beautifully preserved fossil footprints in Permian strata.

www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk...
Great oopart site that one.

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I'm afraid that one has some problems too. This same picture came up on another discussion board a couple of years ago, which led to this email:

To: [email protected]
Subject: Permian trackway

Dear Dr. Lucas;

I read with interest the article on your museum web site about the Permian
trackway finds of Jerry MacDonald. The reason I ended up there, I was doing
an internet search on Mr. MacDonald, because of a claim made on this
website: www.bible.ca...
that human tracks were also found in the trackways. Pictures and claim here:


www.bible.ca...


If you are interested, have the time and are so inclined, could you tell me
what, if anything, that could be considered "problematica" was ever found
there? I personally do not believe that humans ever co-existed with
dinosaurs, but this has sparked a debate on one of the science discussion
boards, and I would like to enter into the fray with a little more knowledge
of this area than what I have now.

Thank you for your time,
_______________________________________________________
the answer I received back today:

Thanks for your inquiry.

I looked at the website you forwarded. Certainly that is not Jerry MacDonald
in the photo, nor is the track shown from any of the tracksites he
discovered.

I believe the website is simply misleading.

MacDonald never found anything that remotely resembles a human footprint, or
bird or mammal tracks at any of the Permian tracksites. The only
"problematica" found were poorly preserved tracks of vertebrates that wecould not identify with certainty, and some difficult to identify arthropod
tracks.

MacDonald wrote a book about his discoveries, and we published 2 scientific
monographs on those Permian tracks, and no assertions were ever made about
human, bird or mammal tracks at the sites. Furthermore, I have studied all
the sites, and our collection contains several thousands of tracks from the
sites, none of humans, birds or mammals.

I think the people who constructed that web site forgot about good old
honesty!


Dr. Spencer G. Lucas
Curator of Paleontology & Geology
New Mexico Museum of Natural History
1801 Mountain Road N.W.
Albuquerque, NM 87104 USA
tel: 505-841-2873 fax: 505-841-2866


another email

Dear ********,

I am Spencer's graduate student and a co-author of NMMNH Bulletin 6,
Permian Footprints and Facies, which is a 300-page scientific volume
dedicated to the study of the footprints Jerry found and others of the
same age throughout New Mexico and Arizona.
I can assure you that:
(1) I have looked at almost every Permian footprint slab in our collection, conservatively estimated at 8 tons of rock and well over 10,000 tracks, and have not seen any "problematica" that even remotely resemble human footprints, let alone the one on the website you saw.
(2) The Ph.D.s who have examined these footprints and published scientific papers on the Permian footprints include Hartmut Haubold, Adrian Hunt, Martin Lockley, and Jim Farlow, four very big names in the field of ichnology (the study of trace fossils such as tracks, trails, and footprints). These trackways have been studies by dozens of others, and no "problematica" resembling humanoid tracks exists.
(3) We are very sure that the tracks are Permian, approximately 275 million years old. We know this from diverse lines of evidence, including stratigraphic relationships and paleontology, including fusulinids, conodonts, and larger fossils.a
(4) the trackway on the website does not match any Permian rock in New Mexico or Arizona. In fact, I think it looks very much like Recent beach mud or sand. I am a little jealous of the trackmaker, however, as they have better arches than I do.
I hope this helps,
Andy
Andrew B. Heckert
Ph.D. Candidate
Dept. Earth and Planetary Sciences
University of New Mexico
Albuquerque, NM 87131
U.S.A.

The website is now www.bible.ca...

Originally posted by d8track
Nice thread idea. Here is another one to add.
The Baigong pipes.

The Baigong Pipes are a series of pipe-like features found on and near Mount Baigong about 40 km southeast of the city of Delingha, in the Haixi Mongol and Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture, Qinghai Province, China. The Baigong Pipes are reported to be associated with a “pyramid” about 50 to 60 meters (160 to 200 feet high) built on Mount Baigong. The front of the “pyramid” is reported to contain three caves. The mouths of the two smaller caves have collapsed. Only the largest cave, which is 6 meters (18 feet) high, can be entered. Two Baigong Pipes have been reported from the largest cave. One of these is described as being 40 cm (16 in) in diameter and preserved as a reddish-brown “half-pipe”. Within the same cave, another pipe-like feature of similar diameter was also found. “Dozens” of upright pipe-like features, about 10 to 40 cm (4 to 16 inches) in diameter, were also found protruding from Mount Baigong above the largest cave.

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Baigong pipe

Three years before Bai Yu took his first peek into the cave at Lake Toson, researchers Mossa and Schumacher wrote in the Journal of Sedimentary Research about fossil tree casts in Louisiana. They found cylindrical structures in the soil, thermoluminescence dated from 75-95,000 years ago. The chemical composition of the cylinders varied depending on where and when they formed and in what type of soil. The authors found that these were the fossilized casts of tree roots, formed by pedogenesis (the process by which soil is created) and diagenesis (the lithification of soil into rock through compaction and cementation). The result of this process was to create metallic pipelike structures, which by comparing the descriptions offered by researchers, appear to be a perfect match for the Baigong Pipes.

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
This one is possibly the most mind boggling of all.
They are human footprints,in what has now become rock,which date back to the Permian age.
That was 298million years-250million years ago.

Let that sink in.

Who the heck was that?A human?A God?An alien?
250 million years ago,walking in the mud...

In 1987, not far from the Zapata track site, paleontologist Jerry MacDonald discovered a variety of beautifully preserved fossil footprints in Permian strata.

www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk...
Great oopart site that one.

edit on 6/4/2013 by Silcone Synapse because: image not working?weirdness

Or it was carved into the rock.

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
This one is possibly the most mind boggling of all.
They are human footprints,in what has now become rock,which date back to the Permian age.
That was 298million years-250million years ago.

Let that sink in.

Who the heck was that?A human?A God?An alien?
250 million years ago,walking in the mud...

In 1987, not far from the Zapata track site, paleontologist Jerry MacDonald discovered a variety of beautifully preserved fossil footprints in Permian strata.

www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk...
Great oopart site that one.

Ahem,

Introduction
Strict creationist Don Patton has asserted that a Permian rock from New Mexico contains a genuine human footprint. Called the "New Mexico track" by Patton, and the "Zapata Track" by others, the print is sharply outlined, but shows a number of unnatural features. It evidently is not in stride with other tracks, but occurs on a loose block of rock whose origin and geologic context has not been thoroughly described or confirmed. Indeed, without being reliably associated with any host formation, the print is of little anti-evolutionary value even if it were genuine, which also has not been established. To date no major creationist group has endorsed the print as genuine or even likely so.

Analysis
Although Patton refers to the print as "spectacular" it actually shows some features not typical of genuine human prints. The line and position of the toes is somewhat unnatural, and the ball is more narrow and round compare to most genuine prints. A few individuals have emphasized that the print shows some mud up-push (a rim of raised relief around the print). Supposedly this confirms its authenticity. However, such features are not prominent, and a competent carver could readily produce them by simply removing matrix farther away from the print.
On the Bible.ca website, next to an image of Don Patton with the track in question, the accompanying paragraph states that among the tracks found in New Mexico by Jerry MacDonald were problematic ones among which "we" (presumably Patton and associates) found "even more obvious problematica." This gives the false impressions that MacDonald had found and described similar human-like tracks. I have worked with MacDonald, and can testify that this is entirely untrue. His track assessments are also clear from his own writings (MacDonald, 1994). The Permian problematica he described consisted not of human tracks, but various large amphibian and mammal-like reptile tracks. For detailed scientific descriptions of the New Mexico tracks see Lucas and Heckert (1995).

Read more here.

Harte

Originally posted by HomerinNC
one of my fave subjects next to ancient aliens
S&F

ETA: dont forget the Egyptian Lightbulb, Dendera Egypt

The Ancient Egyptian Light bulb Many researchers in history have brought evidences forward that challenge or even destroy orthodox beliefs. Erich Von Daniken is one of those researchers bringing revelations such as the Ancient Egyptian Light bulb into the light challenging the orthodox belief that Thomas Edison invented the light bulb and Direct Current. In September 1996 the American Broadcasting Company (ABC) aired a documentary based on Erich’s book, “Chariots of the Gods?” entitled, “Chariots of the Gods? The mystery continues”. Within the documentary dramatic video footage was shown that revealed hieroglyphs in central Egypt that resembled a transparent glass tube with a form within it that had the likings of a serpent, obviously representing some kind of light source. Erich was curious if it worked so he took extensive notes of these hieroglyphs and had the light bulb built to “ancient Egyptian” specifications. When powered up, it emitted light. It was indeed a light bulb and it worked. The ancient Egyptians also had a Direct Current (DC) battery.

Dendera Lightbulb

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Completely and utterly explained and debunked in 8 web pages starting here.

Harte