What is so bad about Agenda 21?

I know there are many posts about Agenda 21 all across ATS and the internet, although I could not get my questions answered.

It has become extremely hard to find any valuable information in internet, especially on conspiracy theories.

Too many people are shouting things a´la They want NWO, socialists, one world government, lose our rights, no private property, all such information, yet they have no proof behind themselves. They shout out different statements as facts without explaining themselves at all or referring to the documents. Many people might believe such statements, but I am personally not convinced at all based on different videos I have watched and websites I have taken look at. It is like listening to the salesman who praises his product without giving any numbers or facts, simply stating how good or bad everything is.

When looking official objectives in Wiki, I see nothing wrong these:

Agenda 21 is a 300-page document divided into 40 chapters that have been grouped into 4 sections:
[edit]Section I: Social and Economic Dimensions
This section is directed toward combating poverty, especially in developing countries, changing consumption patterns, promoting health, achieving a more sustainable population, and sustainable settlement in decision making.
[edit]Section II: Conservation and Management of Resources for Development
Includes atmospheric protection, combating deforestation, protecting fragile environments, conservation of biological diversity (biodiversity), control of pollution and the management of biotechnology, and radioactive wastes.
[edit]Section III: Strengthening the Role of Major Groups
Includes the roles of children and youth, women, NGOs, local authorities, business and workers and strengthening the role of indigenous peoples, their communities, and farmers.
[edit]Section IV: Means of Implementation
Implementation includes science, technology transfer, education, international institutions and financial mechanisms..

I personally nothing wrong with such objectives.

So someone please explain me intelligently what is so bad about Agenda 21? Please use facts, not myths... Also explain your opinions by explaining how exactly something is supposed to happen or is happening based on facts known (not theories). And please do not make statements without explaining why you believe so.

Thank You

It's just paranoid's Fear of the Unknown.

Before you know it, the bogeyman becomes bogeymen, which become demons, which become Satan.

Wikipedia would be the very LAST place to find the truth about Agenda 21...

Who Controls Wikipedia? (George Soros)

It is a propaganda outlet dominated by people who want to radically transform our existence.

There's a reason Soros supports it. Because his vast minions can manipulate it. And manipulate it they do.

I encourage everybody to take a look at the wikimedia's own webpage:

Wikimedia Foundation Advisory Board

Search the page for "soros" or "open society" and right there for all of us to see, three of them!

Melissa(Hagemann) manages the Open Access Initiative within the Information Program of the Open Society Institute (OSI)/Soros foundations.

Ethan(Zuckerman) also works with Open Society Institute's Information Program, along with Melissa Hagemann.

Trevor Neilson is a Partner in the Global Philanthropy Group , a company that advises philanthropists on the development and implementation of philanthropic strategies. Neilson formed DATA (Debt, AIDS, Trade, Africa) with Bill Gates, Bono and George Soros, served as a founding board member, and stays involved as a member of DATA's policy board.

There's also a fourth member of the wikimedia foundation who is from OSI. Seeing the following is what made me curious enough to look for this info. You can see that here:

Wall Space (MacKinnon Formerly of CNN, now works for Soros)

freerepublic.com...

Who Controls Wikipedia? Who Sponsors Wikipedia? ( George Soros )
www.freerepublic.com...

If you or one of your family members or friends were on one of the "lists" you would probably sing a different tune.

Originally posted by Murgatroid
Wikipedia would be the very LAST place to find the truth about Agenda 21...

Who Controls Wikipedia? (George Soros)

It is a propaganda outlet dominated by people who want to radically transform our existence.

There's a reason Soros supports it. Because his vast minions can manipulate it. And manipulate it they do.

I encourage everybody to take a look at the wikimedia's own webpage:

Wikimedia Foundation Advisory Board

Search the page for "soros" or "open society" and right there for all of us to see, three of them!

Melissa(Hagemann) manages the Open Access Initiative within the Information Program of the Open Society Institute (OSI)/Soros foundations.

Ethan(Zuckerman) also works with Open Society Institute's Information Program, along with Melissa Hagemann.

Trevor Neilson is a Partner in the Global Philanthropy Group , a company that advises philanthropists on the development and implementation of philanthropic strategies. Neilson formed DATA (Debt, AIDS, Trade, Africa) with Bill Gates, Bono and George Soros, served as a founding board member, and stays involved as a member of DATA's policy board.

There's also a fourth member of the wikimedia foundation who is from OSI. Seeing the following is what made me curious enough to look for this info. You can see that here:

Wall Space (MacKinnon Formerly of CNN, now works for Soros)

freerepublic.com...

Who Controls Wikipedia? Who Sponsors Wikipedia? ( George Soros )
www.freerepublic.com...

So where to find reliable information? I just took the official objectives from there. These are also posted in many other more reliable sources. I also have gone through a lot of different websites, although it is hard to find people who explain themselves. Most people simply state something without proof.

Btw, I personally know several volunteer teams writing articles in this language and at least they can write nearly anything as long as facts are used, I have not heard anything has been deleted yet, unless it has been written stating opinions not facts and using dirty language.

Originally posted by cconn487
If you or one of your family members or friends were on one of the "lists" you would probably sing a different tune.

What lists?

Quite simply put, it is a scenario of masters and slaves and you my friend, are one of the slaves! Do what you are told to do, when you are told to do it and for heavens sake do not talk back to those in charge. Life (as in yours) will be cheap.

It will not be pleasant unless you are one of the elite.

P

Originally posted by pheonix358
Quite simply put, it is a scenario of masters and slaves and you my friend, are one of the slaves! Do what you are told to do, when you are told to do it and for heavens sake do not talk back to those in charge. Life (as in yours) will be cheap.

It will not be pleasant unless you are one of the elite.

P

That is what many website state. Although please give me at least some proof, as currently such statements seem as pure assumptions and fantasy.

Thank You

Originally posted by Cabin

Originally posted by cconn487
If you or one of your family members or friends were on one of the "lists" you would probably sing a different tune.

What lists?

Rulers and servants.

Thats pretty much what the whole thing revolves around. Killing the majority of Earth's population, keeping just enough around to do the grunt work.

Originally posted by pheonix358
Quite simply put, it is a scenario of masters and slaves and you my friend, are one of the slaves! Do what you are told to do, when you are told to do it and for heavens sake do not talk back to those in charge. Life (as in yours) will be cheap.

It will not be pleasant unless you are one of the elite.

P

So it's different how exactly?

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No it is not, its the 1% protecting vested interest. Like mines, land ownership etc.

Originally posted by Cabin

Originally posted by pheonix358
Quite simply put, it is a scenario of masters and slaves and you my friend, are one of the slaves! Do what you are told to do, when you are told to do it and for heavens sake do not talk back to those in charge. Life (as in yours) will be cheap.

It will not be pleasant unless you are one of the elite.

P

That is what many website state. Although please give me at least some proof, as currently such statements seem as pure assumptions and fantasy.

Thank You

Here is a link with some good stuff. Even if it is 100% fabrication it makes a good read.

A 1991 policy paper prepared for the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development (UNCED) by Professor Jeffrey Sachs outlines a strategy for the transfer of wealth in name of the environment to be implemented in the course of 35 to 40 years.

It may sound like science fiction, but people like Kissinger probably won't be around for the big bang if there is a plan even remotely similar in content.

Originally posted by cconn487

Originally posted by Cabin

Originally posted by cconn487
If you or one of your family members or friends were on one of the "lists" you would probably sing a different tune.

What lists?

Rulers and servants.

Thats pretty much what the whole thing revolves around. Killing the majority of Earth's population, keeping just enough around to do the grunt work.

Can you please provide at least any proof for your claims. That is what I see as problem with internet. Everybody is assuming without providing any objective evidence to their claims. Ut is like someboy saying "Freemasons want to take over the world" and when you ask "Why do you believe that", then they start connecting the "dots" - important people meeting underground serving Lucifer (the Lucifer is again just an assumtion), what else could they do? . Just assumptions. Even a official paragraph or known actions which could be interpreted as evidence to such claims would be enough, although currently it seems as just assumptions.


Thank You

I agree op from clips I have seen or people discussing in forums I really do agree with what is being presented . Now I have never read the actual document so I think it is time to actual read it for myself . It wasn't hard to find the document

Agenda 21 pdf

The funniest reply I ever got, when asking where this or that is stated in the document, was that they were not going to come right out and say it and that I had to read between the lines. If that was the case why publish anything. They could just present their proposals and vote them in.

Originally posted by DaTroof
It's just paranoid's Fear of the Unknown.

Before you know it, the bogeyman becomes bogeymen, which become demons, which become Satan.

I could pull out that old quote about the devil...
But why bother.

reply to post by daskakik


Aren't all political proposals 99% doublespeak and 1% agenda?

I think you almost certainly have to read between the lines - and even senators will attest to that.

reply to post by Bleeeeep

Yes but different people would get different results from reading between the same lines so we're back to square one. Why should anyone believe the gloom and doom that someone else took from the white space.

What made it funny was that they told me to read it because it was all there, between the lines of course. All I saw was white.

I was under the impression Agenda 21 is non binding and voluntary. Countries have their own selfish vested interests, so I doubt many have signed up and implemented any of these ideas.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
I was under the impression Agenda 21 is non binding and voluntary. Countries have their own selfish vested interests, so I doubt many have signed up and implemented any of these ideas.

www.thenewamerican.com...

“This United Nations Agenda 21 plan of radical so-called ‘sustainable development’ views the American way of life of private property ownership, single family homes, private car ownership and individual travel choices, and privately owned farms all as destructive to the environment,” the South Dakota resolution continues, citing UN documents. “According to the United Nations Agenda 21 policy, social justice is described as the right and opportunity of all people to benefit equally from the resources afforded them by society and the environment which would be accomplished by socialistic redistribution of wealth.”

If the UN gets its way forget about freedoms. Want to plant a flower in your yard? Better have the right permit or there will be hell to pay.They want everyone stacked and packed, living in mega cities.Monsanto will be the only mega company allowed to grow food.

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