DPRK’s “State of War” Declaration Is a Faulty Translation: Not an Official Policy Statement

DPRK’s “State of War” Declaration Is a Faulty Translation: Not an Official Policy Statement from Kim Jung Un


Here is an interesting article I just found concerning the possibility of a "Faulty Translation" of Kim Jung Un's statements; If we're misinterpreting his words, what is Western press actually doing? These miswritings could be considered continued provocations.. It seems like a very good idea to off-set all the "threatening news" we've been reading, by engaging issues of translation and formal military diplomacy and protocol.

Here's the article:

www.globalresearch.ca...

interesting shall observe

Every time i hear someone with some power speaking in a different language from a news source, I always wonder to myself If what I am reading is really what is being said.

Translations are a funny thing when you just have to take someone else's word for it.

Oh god I need my tin foil hat

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Fabricated War Pretext, Rising Tensions: Seoul Confirms that N. Korea Missiles do not Target the US



Well, this too sounds quite interesting since so many news articles have stated otherwise..
This comes out of the same "source,"
www.globalresearch.ca...

Interesting read.

However, a state of war has existed between North and South Korea since 1950.

1953 did not actually end that war. It was only and has only been a cease fire. No formal peace treaty has ever been drawn up and signed.

So I find the statement, no mater which was it was translated ironic, as a state of war has always existed between the two countries.

Originally posted by eriktheawful
Interesting read.

However, a state of war has existed between North and South Korea since 1950.

1953 did not actually end that war. It was only and has only been a cease fire. No formal peace treaty has ever been drawn up and signed.

So I find the statement, no mater which was it was translated ironic, as a state of war has always existed between the two countries.

Well, in the last week or so, there has been a lot of talk about NK reinitiating the conflict or the U.S expressing aggression towards Nk, and that that appears to possibly be leading to a "re-declared" state of war of sorts.You can take it from there..

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hmmmm, young are ya ?

it's kinda difficult to re-initiate something that is ONGOING and has been for longer than you've been alive

however, global research is just that, research ... now, for the big question ... what are they researching as a result of these articles ???

Maybe calmer heads will prevail. Lets hope for the best.

Originally posted by cconn487
Every time i hear someone with some power speaking in a different language from a news source, I always wonder to myself If what I am reading is really what is being said.

Translations are a funny thing when you just have to take someone else's word for it.

Oh god I need my tin foil hat

Indeed, I often thought that if you had several translators working independently on one speech with inflection and emphasis being so important to meaning would all their compared translations concur?
And let's not forget just plain old misheard sentences.
Reminds me of this:

Hearing unmerciful screams from a treatment room, the doctor rushes in and on seeing their source he shouts at the nurse, "No nurse, I asked you to prick this man's boil"

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You do understand that the status quo today is in all governments interests (not the Korean citizens, both North and South). The South Korean government has been riddled with corruption, worse than Japan (there is more incompetence) this permits the US to keep a strong hold in Asia both politically but military and economically (good markets for the sale of arms, including Taiwan). It permits China to help the US to dig its economic grave and in permanent Check in Asia and a close eye in the US capabilities. Any move would change this precarious balance and that is the play NK makes each time the dear leader needs someone to scratch his back, this includes China that is also pressured to sustain that lunacy of a prison camp called Democratic People's Republic of Korea (not democratic, not of the people nor a Republic).

Aren't we kind of missing an obvious vote on this idea of a totally missed translation for meaning and intent?

Kim seems more than a little sensitive and aware of things. There is, of course, no way to know without data no website shares publicly, but I wonder if some IP hits to ATS are from the DPRK. Not HIM....but he seems vane enough to have underlings scanning the major social sites and whatever may have real high North Korea related traffic to gauge public opinion and impact he's having.

Even if vanity isn't his greatest failing, he is absolutely NOT shy about speaking his mind here lately.

So where is Kim setting the record straight with some more sharp rhetoric aimed at the dirty translator who would make his words look so far from what he intended? It seems it's actually costing him in real world ways too. That statement was a part of what is kicking the tension up with a steel toe boot. His silence tends to make me believe that even if the precise wording didn't cross? The meaning was close enough for Kim's satisfaction.

And what does it’s translation, or mistranslation exactly have do with the validity of anything else that came before it? The situation was already cranked up long before that statement came out.

If that report never came out, then I don’t see how the situation would be that much different.

Cutting of communications, Animations of the US capital being nuked, people chanting “we will crush them” on tv, pictures detailing the targeting of US cities, and all the other crap they have been spewing have a tendency to make us a bit uneasy.

And they are the only people making their situation worse. If they hadn’t cut off communications we could call them up and say “hey man, you know that news report you released yesterday? Did you mean, “from this point”, or “from that point”…… Ok thanks for the clarification and sorry for the misunderstanding …thanks… goodbye……..”

But no.. We can’t because they cut off all communications, so we just have our own perception of the situation to go on.

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If in doubt go to horse's mouth www.kcna.co.jp... form the link

Kim Jong Un's Order Is Final Decision to End Showdown with U.S.: Newspaper
Pyongyang, April 3 (KCNA) -- The dear respected Marshal Kim Jong Un issued an order for action at an operation meeting on the performance of duty of the Strategic Rocket Force of the Korean People's Army on firepower strike. This is the final decision of justice prompted by the matchless grit of the brilliant commander of Mt. Paektu to put a definite end to the long-standing history of showdown with the U.S. imperialists and blow up the dens of evils.

Rodong Sinmun Wednesday says this in a bylined article.

The U.S. has persistently sought to realise the strategy for stifling the DPRK by force of arms, while trying to keep the state of confrontation going on in the Korean Peninsula, the article notes, and goes on:

The U.S. prodded the UN Security Council into cooking up "resolutions on sanctions" against the DPRK, labeling its satellite launch, a legitimate right of a sovereign state, as a "provocation". The U.S. is threatening the DPRK with a nuclear war.

It is the final conclusion drawn by the DPRK that it can neither build a reunified thriving nation nor protect the life and security of the people unless it tides over such grave situation.

The grudge of the Korean people at the U.S., the sworn enemy, is running high and their patience has gone beyond limitation.

All the service personnel and people of the DPRK have waited for the time of a final battle for national reunification, pledging revenge on the U.S. for over half a century. They are waiting for the final order of Kim Jong Un, keeping themselves on high alert.

The aggressors and provocateurs will face a disgraceful ruin in the final battle to be started soon, and the great Korean nation will greet the bright day of national reunification.

then from KCNA

Kim Jong Un Convenes Operation Meeting, Finally Examines and Ratifies Plan for Firepower Strike

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Pyongyang, March 29 (KCNA) -- The moves of the U.S. imperialists to violate the sovereignty of the DPRK and encroach upon its supreme interests have entered a grave phase.
Not content with letting B-52 make sorties over south Korea in succession despite the repeated warnings, they made B-2A stealth strategic bomber and other strategic strike means fly from Whiteman air force base in Missouri State, the U.S. over south Korea on March 28 for the first time in history to commit such dangerous provocation as openly staging a drill for striking ground targets of the DPRK.
This fully proves that the brigandish ambition of the U.S. imperialists for aggression to stand in confrontation with the DPRK has reached an extreme phase defying the meaningful warning made by its revolutionary armed forces in the March 26 statement of the Supreme Command of the Korean People's Army.
In view of the prevailing grim situation, Supreme Commander of the Korean People's Army Marshal Kim Jong Un, first secretary of the Workers' Party of Korea and first chairman of the National Defence Commission of the DPRK, convened an urgent operation meeting on the KPA Strategic Rocket Force's performance of duty for firepower strike at the Supreme Command at 00:30 Friday.
Present there were Hyon Yong Chol, chief of the KPA General Staff, Ri Yong Gil, director of the Operation Bureau, Kim Yong Chol, director of the General Reconnaissance Bureau, and Kim Rak Gyom, commander of the Strategic Rocket Force.
At the meeting he first received a report from General Kim Yong Chol, who is also vice chief of the General Staff of the KPA, on the information about the nature of action of the nuclear strike means of the U.S. imperialist aggressor forces.
After receiving a report from Lieut. General Kim Rak Gyom on the technical conditions of the strategic strike means of the KPA, he made an important decision.
He said he has judged the time has come to settle accounts with the U.S. imperialists in view of the prevailing situation.
If they make a reckless provocation with huge strategic forces, the KPA should mercilessly strike the U.S. mainland, their stronghold, their military bases in the operational theaters in the Pacific, including Hawaii and Guam, and those in south Korea, he said. He examined and finally ratified the plan of the Strategic Rocket Force for firepower strike.
The U.S. imperialists let B-2A make sorties over south Korea in succession, indicating once again that their hostile acts against the DPRK have entered a reckless phase, going beyond the phase of threat and blackmail, he said.
B-2A's flight to the sky above south Korea is not a simple demonstration of forces in reaction to the tough stand of the DPRK but an ultimatum that they will ignite a nuclear war at any cost on the Korean Peninsula, he noted, underlining the need to put a definite end to the times when they could threaten and blackmail the DPRK with nukes.
He declared the revolutionary armed forces of the DPRK would react to the U.S. nuclear blackmail with a merciless nuclear attack, and war of aggression with an all-out war of justice.
He finally signed the plan on technical preparations of strategic rockets of the KPA, ordering them to be standby for fire so that they may strike any time the U.S. mainland, its military bases in the operational theaters in the Pacific, including Hawaii and Guam, and those in south Korea.
He said the enemies are bringing dark clouds of a nuclear war testing the DPRK's self-restraint, adding the DPRK can no longer tolerate this. He ordered the KPA to blow up and reduce everything to ashes at a single strike, if an order is issued.
He said the heroic service personnel of the KPA and all other people, their hearts burning with irrepressible resentment at the reckless war provocation moves of the U.S. imperialists, are now waiting for a final order of the WPK Central Committee, hardening their will to turn out in a do-or-die battle with the enemies.
The KPA will never remain a passive onlooker to the U.S. imperialists' frantic moves for aggression but do its best to defend the destiny of the country and nation, he said.
It is the truth confirmed by history that no force on earth can hold in check the people all out for the just cause, he noted, stressing if an undesired war breaks out on this land again due to the consequences of the unpardonable action of the U.S. imperialists, it will bring them a shameful ruin and the Korean nation will greet the bright day of national reunification.
The important decision made by him under the grave situation where the Korean Peninsula has been pushed to the brink of a nuclear war by the U.S. imperialists will mark a turning point in putting an end to the history of the long-standing showdown with the U.S. and opening a new phase of history. -0-

KCNA link for the posted article www.kcna.kp... KCNA link www.kcna.kp... once in a while they are the current date , most of the time a day behind.

yea I know a wall of words . I copy it as it is no attempt is made by me to alter it , here is his nuclear armed forces speech form KCNA

Report on Plenary Meeting of WPK Central Committee

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Pyongyang, March 31 (KCNA) -- The historic March, 2013 plenary meeting of the Central Committee of the Workers' Party of Korea took place at the building of the WPK Central Committee, supreme staff of the Korean revolution, on Sunday.
First Secretary of the WPK Kim Jong Un guided the meeting.
Present at the meeting were members and alternate members of the WPK Central Committee and members of the Central Auditing Commission of the WPK.
Present there as observers were senior officials of ministries, national institutions, provincial, city and county committees of the WPK, complexes, major munitions factories and enterprises.
The participants paid silent tribute to President Kim Il Sung and leader Kim Jong Il.
Taken up for discussion at the meeting were the following agenda items "1. On tasks of our Party on bringing about a decisive turn in accomplishing revolutionary cause of Juche as required by the present situation and the developing revolution", "2. On personnel affairs issue to be submitted to the 7th Session of the 12th Supreme People's Assembly" and "3. On organizational matter".
Kim Jong Un made a report and concluding speech on the first agenda item.
The plenary meeting set forth a new strategic line on carrying out economic construction and building nuclear armed forces simultaneously under the prevailing situation and to meet the legitimate requirement of the developing revolution.
This line is a brilliant succession and development onto a new higher stage of the original line of simultaneously developing economy and national defence that was set forth and had been fully embodied by the great Generalissimos.
It was stressed at the meeting that the party's new line is not a temporary countermeasure for coping with the rapidly changing situation but a strategic line to be always held fast to, in the supreme interests of the Korean revolution.
The nuclear weapons of Songun Korea are not goods for getting U.S. dollars and they are neither a political bargaining chip nor a thing for economic dealings to be presented to the place of dialogue or be put on the table of negotiations aimed at forcing the DPRK to disarm itself.
The DPRK's nuclear armed forces represent the nation's life which can never be abandoned as long as the imperialists and nuclear threats exist on earth. They are a treasure of a reunified country which can never be traded with billions of dollars.
Only when the nuclear shield for self-defence is held fast, will it be possible to shatter the U.S. imperialists' ambition for annexing the Korean Peninsula by force and making the Korean people modern slaves, firmly defend our ideology, social system and all other socialist treasures won at the cost of blood and safeguard the nation's right to existence and its time-honored history and brilliant culture.
When the party's new line is thoroughly carried out, the DPRK will emerge as a great political, military and socialist economic power and a highly-civilized country which steers the era of independence.
The meeting set forth tasks for carrying out the new line and ways for doing so.
All the officials, party members and other people should wage bold offensive and all-people decisive battle with faith in sure victory and strong determination and thus make the flame of miracle and innovation sweep all fields of national economy.
The pilot fields of the national economy, the basic industrial fields should be drastically developed and production be increased to the maximum. Forces should be directed to agriculture and light industry, key fields in building an economic power to improve and put on a stable basis the people's living standard at the earliest possible date.
The self-reliant nuclear power industry should be developed and the work for developing light water reactor be dynamically promoted to actively contribute to easing the strain on the electricity problem of the country.
Spurs should be given to the development of space science and technology and more advanced satellites including communications satellites be developed and launched.
The country's economy should be shifted into knowledge-based economy and the foreign trade be made multilateral and diversified and investment be widely introduced.
The economic guidance shall be fundamentally improved as required by the new situation and Korean-style advantageous economic management methods be completed by embodying the Juche idea.
The DPRK's possession of nukes should be fixed by law and the nuclear armed forces should be expanded and beefed up qualitatively and quantitatively until the denuclearization of the world is realized.
The People's Army should perfect the war method and operation in the direction of raising the pivotal role of the nuclear armed forces in all aspects concerning the war deterrence and the war strategy, and the nuclear armed forces should always round off the combat posture.
As a responsible nuclear weapons state, the DPRK will make positive efforts to prevent the nuclear proliferation, ensure peace and security in Asia and the rest of the world and realize the denuclearization of the world.
Institutions in charge of security and safeguard, judicial and prosecution and people's security and the Korean People's Internal Security Forces should resolutely foil the vicious moves of the imperialist reactionaries and class enemies, devotedly defend the party, social system and people and surely guarantee the new line of the party with arms and by law.
The party and working people's organizations and power bodies should increase their militant function and role in every way in the struggle for implementing the party's line.
The meeting entrusted the Presidium of the SPA and the Cabinet with the matters of taking legal, administrative and technical measures for implementing the tasks.
At the meeting a decision on the first agenda item "On carrying out economic construction and building nuclear armed forces simultaneously and thus bringing earlier the final victory in the cause of building a thriving socialist nation" was adopted with unanimous approval.
The second agenda item, personal affairs issue to be submitted to the 7th Session of the 12th SPA, was discussed and decided at the meeting.
The meeting also dealt with an organizational matter, its third agenda item.
Members of the Presidium of the Political Bureau of the WPK Central Committee, members and alternate members of the Political Bureau were recalled and new ones were elected to fill vacancies.
Pak Pong Ju was elected to fill a vacancy of a member of the Political Bureau of the WPK Central Committee.
Hyon Yong Chol, Kim Kyok Sik and Choe Pu Il were elected to fill vacancies of alternate members of the Political Bureau of the WPK Central Committee.
Members and alternate members of the WPK Central Committee were recalled and new ones were elected to fill vacancies.
Upon authorization of Kim Jong Un, Paek Kye Ryong was appointed as director of the Light Industrial Department of the WPK Central Committee and Yun U Chol as editor-in-chief of Rodong Sinmun, organ of the WPK Central Committee.
Members of the Central Auditing Commission of the WPK were also recalled and new ones were elected to fill vacancies. -0-

ready for the flaming by using a first hand source not a recopy or edited source by MSM or the like, for if you want to know what is being said no better way than going to source, even if its form DPRK.

Got to love propaganda. It's like when they translated Amedenijad "saying" that Israel should be wiped off the map when he said nothing of the sort. I'm big lately on the former CNN reported who stated they had orders to demonize Syria and Iran, I'm sure NK isn't much different.

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So your going by a "not there" source? well I tend to go by one that is there for it is their front door and they will know before we do nwww.koreaherald.com... and form the same link not translated

Article entered in 2013-04-05 09: 47

North American territories of Guam weighs in on the means to predict submarine-launched ballistic missile launches in North Korea and Iran showing the movement you want to cross-over and over "missile connections ' doubts grow. In particular, the ROK and the United States during that time this missile test-firing had never analyzed, revealed successfully launched from abroad.

A source in North Korea, five days prior to the missile means "North Korea cast entered service in 2004, Iran had test fired from" and "know that at the time of the trial ended successfully," he said.

In the meantime, non-Sudanese missile test-firing 50 rounds since 2007 with no encounters have been sounded out in Iran known for it is placed in the test is that the performance is checked.

Non-Sudanese missile range 3000 ~ 4000 ㎞ of intermediate-range ballistic missile (IRBM), length 12 m, diameter 1.5 ~ 2m ~ 18.9. You can launch from the spaceport to move, especially if it is also possible to mount a nuclear warhead.

North Korea and Iran was previously enriching uranium even to each other, giving an advantage in missiles and nuclear and missile technology has been the ' connections ' allegations.

North Korea professional Internet media ' 38 North (38North) East of tonghae satellite launching ground in February ' North Hamgyong province launched a satellite chapter construction jobs last summer typhoon damage was a significant setback to the debt, but progress has been made, in particular, as well as rocket launcher installed protection devices understand Iran's Semnan launch and said similar claims.

North Korea's missile is Iran's Shah v missile was produced on the basis of the North Korea's Taepo Dong-2, a-Ko and the Iranian Shah v-5 is correct, but there are also allegations of enamored.

North Korea's long-range rocket launch and last December, when the third nuclear test Iran did attending scientists and military officials was the observation that came out.

North Korea's people's army advanced through the nuclear strike operations, another spokesman, this was the final ratification, the White House and the Pentagon claimed shortly after formal notice, on at least two more moves towards the East Sea martial arts means missiles are being noticed.

In this regard, on the eve of the National Assembly, Chairman of the National Defense Minister Kim Kwan-Jin in the work report "K N-08 but it can fly considerable distances" a "range is not up to the mainland United States, aim and launch training demonstrated purpose will be," he said.

Currently, the ROK military authorities committed North Korea to concentrate the Union's information assets, such as missile launch monitoring the concentration trend.

In particular, the United States and the possibility of North Korea's ballistic missiles against non-recourse missile launch detection only is based on the X-band radar, of maritime radar (SBX-1) ' to go to the Pacific waters, and in the (gao) altitude missile defense system (THAAD) that Guam has shown such a sensitive reaction to put into it.

Shin Dae- reporter/[email protected]

So there you have it, the truth as both sides tell it, it us up to you to know, saves a lot of time going from site to site link to link, seeking out what is what.

DPRK has missiles that other country's have tested, do they have nukes? Well go back to the 50's when we thought we the US had the only ones , Russia and China both did and we thought and said at that time, no and can not.

Well they proved US wrong USSR had the first air dropped bomb, China had their first nuke when we thought they could not do it or thought they got it from USSR, when history shows proves they did not.

USSR was the first to use a 3 stage bomb. Some history deaduxx.blogspot.com...

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What would you say if i could show you he did but we changed it as not to inflame him, and to keep Israel form doing something. but then that would be a thread all by it self , he will some day repeat it or it will be come front page news, when MSM gets tired of, Kim i Like Nukes,Pan Head Jong Un

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Thanks for the non-MSM butchered info from a grounded source.

In reality, the US and SK are conducting annually scheduled exercises. They are following protocol, and only flying over SK airspace.

However, the capabilities of the B-2A are well known. Kim Jong Un knows it. He's seen this:



Flying in the skies, and he doesn't want this:



We already know from Iraq a B-2A has laser guided targeting, and can take out a building from an altitude beyond SAMs. He's a sitting duck, and furious that there's nothing he can do about it.

Also to add, both the US and China drew up the UN sanctions. Why isn't he mad at China?

Originally posted by Panic2k11
reply to post by eriktheawful

 

You do understand that the status quo today is in all governments interests (not the Korean citizens, both North and South). The South Korean government has been riddled with corruption, worse than Japan (there is more incompetence) this permits the US to keep a strong hold in Asia both politically but military and economically (good markets for the sale of arms, including Taiwan). It permits China to help the US to dig its economic grave and in permanent Check in Asia and a close eye in the US capabilities. Any move would change this precarious balance and that is the play NK makes each time the dear leader needs someone to scratch his back, this includes China that is also pressured to sustain that lunacy of a prison camp called Democratic People's Republic of Korea (not democratic, not of the people nor a Republic).

edit on 4-4-2013 by Panic2k11 because: (no reason given)

What you say may be true.

However, I fail to see how that changes anything that I posted, which is, a state of war has existed between North and South Korea since 1950 that has never formally ended.

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I fail to see how that changes anything that I posted, which is, a state of war has existed between North and South Korea since 1950 that has never formally ended.

I don't see how you can fail to see the states involved in a war only come to an never ending armistice if a) no side is able to extract a forceful victory b) there is no will to formalize peace, will only comes from advantages extracted from the conclusion of hostilities, so keeping a state of hostility running even if in a slow flame has only one "advantageous" outcome.

International Law regarding armistices
Under International Law an armistice is a legal agreement (often in a document) which ends fighting between the "belligerent parties" of a war or conflict. The Hague II (1899) Treaty, says "If [the armistice's] duration is not fixed," the parties can resume fighting (Article 36) as they choose, but with proper notifications. This is in comparison to a "fixed duration" armistice, where the parties can renew fighting only at the end of the particular fixed duration.

When the belligerent parties say (in effect), "this armistice completely ends the fighting" without any end date for the armistice, then duration of the armistice is fixed in the sense that no resumption of the fighting is allowed at any time. For example, the Korean Armistice Agreement calls for a "ceasefire and armistice" and has the "objective of establishing an armistice which will ensure a complete cessation of hostilities and of all acts of armed force in Korea until a final peaceful settlement is achieved..."

From Wikipedia's article on armistice

An armistice, truce or ceasefire serves very limited purposes in regards to a political conflict resolution and more often than not is used obtain time to secure political or military advantages without actively being engaged in battle. This becomes even more clear when there is no obvious interest in evolving the dispute into a formal peace treaty. In fact NK government has obtained many advantages under the cover of the armistice and the NK population was severely punished by the prolonged situation, there are no verifiable numbers but there is an expectation that the situation would far supplant the crimes committed by Hitler or Stalin and all under the aegis of the UN (in a clear statement of partiality and impotence).

See also Wikipedia's article on the Korean Armistice Agreement that for all effects has been unilaterally ended by NK. Satisfying the international law regarding armistices by declaring it previous to any resumption of active combat.