Have you ever actually listened to Bob Dean?

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Urantia, I don't know why you are defending him. Do you adhere to the Urantia book because that is exactly what Bob Dean sounds like. A combination of Christianity and the Space Brother contactee movement. Honestly though, I don't know why you would defend him, he's not the new age guru you think he is, like I said, listen to him. Bob Dean is a bitter old man at the end of his days, he has real contempt for humanity and he thinks that he's some sort of emissary who humanity has ignored. Don't get pulled in by his hokum.

reply to post by FlyingTeacup


They are my personal FOIA files. I'd have to put pictures of them in a chat thread. My story is a great conspiracy drama, but I have no important material about "aliens".
Everyone is mostly only concerned with that latter thing.
I could make up wild yarns of my adventures with the ET boys, but I wouldn't be able to live with myself. That 'conscience' problem.

Originally posted by FlyingTeacup
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Actually I do think that there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. I just don't think that "aliens" are visiting these crackpots here on Earth and abducting them. The whole thing is ludicrous. As for your "overwhelming evidence" in the form of thousands of people who have claimed to been abducted. Well, about 80% of humanity believes in a sky wizard who looks down on them from another realm and dictates the gears of their lives. UFO abductees are nothing more than a new religion. Again, if these people TRULY had contact with alien beings it would be the most important scientific discovery of the ages. Yet, there is zero proof. ZERO. Sorry, wizardry, sorcery and magic aren't going to cut it when we are talking about such important potential events.

I actually think that ufology is important, the US government and certain academicians have studied the phenomenon. I was a skeptical believer at first but when you truly examine the history of the phenomenon you see that the psycho-social hypothesis is probably the answer to what has been going on. Personally I think it's that along with a Cold War psychological warfare campaign.

Carl Sagan was a ufologist but he didn't believe the contactees and their nonsense.

Oh so you don't believe that U.F.O.'s are visiting and you don't believe in a sky wizard. Good for you. You dont' have any proof these things don't exist just as people don't have a lot in the way of solid proof as we know it to say it is in fact happening.

Your post is a rant and nothing more. An opinion and an ill informed one at that.
Then you bring in sky wizards obviosly trying to insult people of faith.
Because we all know that a complex universe and all within it just come from.. nothing.. yea right..

I have opinions too. But I offered you a chance to prove me a liar. Why don't you take the offer and rent a polygraph and some high tech gadgets and come test me AND my SISTER and my BROTHER and my MOTHER oh I know all of us are given to fantasy and liars right? pffff. You know nothing man. ZERO.. I'm in Cincinnati. OH and if any of you naysayers want to take my challenge I'm up for it.


EDIT: Actually you can't test my mother after thinking about it.. She gets very upset if you ask her about alien experiences and says it's just demons and says she doesn't want to talk about it. So she is great example of someone who knows it's happening but doesn't care at all to talk about it or even admit it for the most part. But she knows it goes on and so does the rest of my bloodline that it happens too. Dont you see that you could be mistaken due to ignorance? Stop listening to the disinfo and stop judging the ufo field based on the new agers that have ruined the entire scenero and masked it with there wishful thinking that it's all "good". No sir you and many others are completely mistaken. If you hung out with me for just a few hours you would see what a serious lapse in judgement your making with these blanket accusations that this is not happening. You would see I'm a very much just an average dude not given to any fantasy what so ever. If these things were not happening to myself and my family I certainly would not come on this forum and claim so in front of the entire world. That would be completely crazy and absurd. As I said face it.. your mistaken because your have very limited knowledge. It's ok though man. Don't sweat it that your WRONG.

This entire thread should be moved to the "Rant" section any way because that's all it is.

Originally posted by firegoggles
Oh so you don't believe that U.F.O.'s are visiting and you don't believe in a sky wizard. Good for you. You dont' have any proof these things don't exist just as people don't have a lot in the way of solid proof as we know it to say it is in fact happening.

You clearly don't have an understanding of the scientific method. You can not prove a negative. You can't prove the absence of something. It's pretty much the text book definition of the word "proof".

reply to post by FlyingTeacup


Clearly I have an understanding that you don't. As far as your accusation that I don't understand science..I laughed so hard my side started hurting. Again if you only knew me you would know how absolutely laughable that is. I don't think you understand science like you think bud.

I have offered a way for you to make me out a liar. Come test me with a polygraph and my sister and brother oh yea and my cousin. At least you would have solid proof if I were lying. And you would have 4(or more) chances! I mean surely if it were not true then one of us would fail the polygraph right ?

I really get a kick out of people like you. It's like dealing with a little kids way of thinking or something. Except your "mommy" is science and you can only allow yourself to believe "mommy and daddy" right? Why ? Because they said it they cant be wrong they are after all.. "mommy and daddy" and they said it so it's a fact.. pathetic dude. 200 years into a more modern world and we already think we know everything! Really?
Here let me help you out with a link to a polygraph examiner www.polygraphplace.com...

Originally posted by firegoggles
reply to post by FlyingTeacup

 

Clearly I have an understanding that you don't. As far as your accusation that I don't understand science..I laughed so hard my side started hurting. Again if you only knew me you would know how absolutely laughable that is. I don't think you understand science like you think bud.

I have offered a way for you to make me out a liar. Come test me with a polygraph and my sister and brother oh yea and my cousin. At least you would have solid proof if I were lying. And you would have 4(or more) chances! I mean surely if it were not true then one of us would fail the polygraph right ?

I really get a kick out of people like you. It's like dealing with a little kids way of thinking or something. Except your "mommy" is science and you can only allow yourself to believe "mommy and daddy" right? Why ? Because they said it they cant be wrong they are after all.. "mommy and daddy" and they said it so it's a fact.. pathetic dude. 200 years into a more modern world and we already think we know everything! Really?

Here let me help you out with a link to a polygraph examiner www.polygraphplace.com...

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So you believe everything that Bob Dean says? That he has been to another planet. That he lived in Sumeria several thousand years ago. That he frequently has interactions with extraterrestrials. All on his word alone? In other words you have faith in Bob Dean. Amazing! Out of the 8 billion people on this planet that such extraordinary contact happens so infrequently. Care to share why it only happens to people like you or Bob Dean? Are you special?

reply to post by FlyingTeacup


No in fact I said from the start I would not endorse him. Although I know some of the things he mentioned have indeed happened. There is certainly an Agenda taking place with Bob Dean and has been for a long time. I'm not ignorant to these "devices" . BUT I whole heartily defend accusations that the aliens are not visiting and abducting. They most certainly are!

Do I believe that Bob Dean lived in Sumeria or what ever ? Well look that get's into a very obscure level of science that deals with genetic memory. So is he having genetic memory's? Or is he having the more common screen or cover memory's that the "aliens" constantly use to deceive? I think past lives and all that hogwash is simply genetic memory no big mystery really.. so no I do not believe that Bob Dean himself lived in Sumeria wouldn't that be about stupid ..we know he is here in this time doh. So you see I'm not some tree huggin new ager by any means! But I can't deny what I know to be 100% true at the same time even if it does seem.. well crazy at times!



It happens to many more people than we know. The beings erase the memory's. Millions are being abducted. I'm not special other than some of us have something a little different about the way our memory's work. We can recall the events even if it's bleed-through. I'm not sure if it's due to something they over looked in the genes or what but I do know through research that only a certain percentage of us have recall. There are others that have never claimed EVER to be abducted and submitted to hypnotherapy to discover they have in fact been abducted and simply had no recall of the event/events what so ever.

I do not consider myself lucky or special to be able to recall these events. So your premise that it only happens to people like myself or Bob is wrong right off the get go.. it's just people don't remember it. They are not supposed to remember. We are nothing but cattle to them. I place to harvest genetic material to continue on the line of stretched out human fetus they try to pass off as space aliens. hear me dude I'm laying the truth on you.. can you handle it? We are spare parts for a race of beings bent on populating the universe with there idea of what mankind should be. And it does not match the original idea by any means...

Like many,
speaks much,
says little.

Originally posted by Donegal_TDI
Like many,
speaks much,
says little.

What this damage control?
Oh and contrary to your opinion on me I think I said plenty thank you very little!

Is that your final contribution to this thread or just a feeble attempt to insult? This forum is not a place to practice for a contest of whit, it's supposed to be an exchange of information.

Your post is in no way informative or even mildly entertaining really so that makes it a complete waste of time and space to say what?

If the mods are doing there job correctly they would remove your post if nothing else for being off topic.

Well done sir or ma'am w/e.....good day.


I edited this post to ask this question:
Why take a dig at my post(at least it seems that you were) when it seems you agree with me in some of your own posts? If I have mistook the tone of your post then that would be unfortunate, but this and many other reasons are why we have forum rules and must remain on topic for the good of the community as a whole. Otherwise Chaos follows.

I was talking about Bob Dean, not you, apologies.

Originally posted by firegoggles
reply to post by FlyingTeacup

 

Clearly I have an understanding that you don't. As far as your accusation that I don't understand science..I laughed so hard my side started hurting. Again if you only knew me you would know how absolutely laughable that is. I don't think you understand science like you think bud.

I have offered a way for you to make me out a liar. Come test me with a polygraph and my sister and brother oh yea and my cousin. At least you would have solid proof if I were lying. And you would have 4(or more) chances! I mean surely if it were not true then one of us would fail the polygraph right ?

I really get a kick out of people like you. It's like dealing with a little kids way of thinking or something. Except your "mommy" is science and you can only allow yourself to believe "mommy and daddy" right? Why ? Because they said it they cant be wrong they are after all.. "mommy and daddy" and they said it so it's a fact.. pathetic dude. 200 years into a more modern world and we already think we know everything! Really?

Here let me help you out with a link to a polygraph examiner www.polygraphplace.com...

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Calm down,


You claim others are ranting yet your tantrums are that of a 6year old, grow up.

You can hire your polygraph and all that will prove is that you believe in your experiences which could be delusion or reality.

Originally posted by firegoggles

Originally posted by Donegal_TDI
Like many,
speaks much,
says little.

What this damage control?
Oh and contrary to your opinion on me I think I said plenty thank you very little!

Is that your final contribution to this thread or just a feeble attempt to insult? This forum is not a place to practice for a contest of whit, it's supposed to be an exchange of information.

Your post is in no way informative or even mildly entertaining really so that makes it a complete waste of time and space to say what?

If the mods are doing there job correctly they would remove your post if nothing else for being off topic.

Well done sir or ma'am w/e.....good day.


I edited this post to ask this question:
Why take a dig at my post(at least it seems that you were) when it seems you agree with me in some of your own posts?

If I have mistook the tone of your post then that would be unfortunate, but this and many other reasons are why we have forum rules and must remain on topic for the good of the community as a whole. Otherwise Chaos follows.

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The Ego is strong in this one,

Chaos has already taken the reigns if you assume you are that special that random posts are talking about you in a thread based on the talks of Robert Dean.

reply to post by FlyingTeacup


You just described the m.o. of almost every single "expert" in the ufo field.

I am not saying they do not exist, however I am saying that a lot of people jump on that train just to sell books and so on. A lot of people make a living in the ufo field.

So, yeah, pretty much all of them are operating that way. A lot of nonsense garnished with a few "facts". People who really want to believe want to read about it, so there is your market.

reply to post by Donegal_TDI


It is I that apologize I totally misunderstood your post and feel pretty silly about now.. eh the dangers of internet conversations. I mean what if like leaders of countries start using the net for quick negotiations! We would be in big trouble if it goes anything like these last couple posts eh!

Any way I know I tend to have a few buttons that are easy to push on the entire abduction topic because it being so close to my heart and suffering many a traumatic experience(although I have become much more patient in recent years and continue to make great efforts to be even more patient and slow to wrath). I try and temper all this with patience and the understanding that all of society deems it fantasy and science as well, but it's never easy when I get in the thick of it. At any rate I can certainly simplify my words and sometimes I DO carry on a bit and I'm painfully aware of it and thus the reason I was so defensive no doubt !

When you carry something like this alone for so long there comes a point when you extremely desperately passionately want for some other human being to acknowledge your experiences as valid or at least you hope to gain a respectful " it sounds like something has happened to you that we don't understand yet or acknowledge" but that usually doesn't happen no matter how many words I say and how desperately I try and paint the entire picture starting from the inception of the universe up to present day! It never helps and you always get the same naysayers painting you out to be some "whackjob".

I close the ATS window too many times heavy hearted and deeply disturbed in the narrow minded(and arrogance) found in society. Not only that but how it seems people pride themselves on not the delivery of information on forums and comments around the internet but on being as hurtful and as insulting as possible to others in the process. Ah well I suppose I ask for it by returning here for more. I suffer though all these things in hopes to glean any more information and at the same time to perhaps find others to share in the suffering of my plight of these experiences I know to be true.

-FG

When I originally heard Bob Dean, I was so full of hope here at last may be someone with something to tell, old and wise. But as time went on, like many, general speak and little specifics. I have a huge interest in the field of UFO's and ET, but you must be aware that on the internet you will have to filter out 90%+ of what you encounter as utter and total garbage, people with books to sell, ads on web pages, money, money on and on......

Personally the only people I trust to date are Timothy Good and Richard Dolan,
until proven otherwise.

But if you persist and exercise some common sense, gems can be found.
One thing you can take from here is life does exist in the cosmos,
we are not that unique.
We are one of many millions of sentient races.
Time will bear this out to be true.

Don't take petty adolescent aggressive replies personally,
I don't,
they are just displaying childish toys out of the pram hissy fits.
Bible bashers or religious fanatics don't seek the truth,
they are already lost to reason.

Follow your own path, as there are little hard facts available to the general public.

Those who really have the answers have this whole area locked down into total secrecy through murder, intimidation, threats and fear of being left destitute.
Even the very old can't come clean if they have families.

This suppression gives you more to fear than any threat from aliens.
Although, I'm pretty pissed at them for not coming clean,
which implies indirectly that they also have something to hide,
or open contact to a pre contact race like ours is a definite galactic no-no.
Which in turn would imply that if some devilish liaison has been made
between aliens and the military, they are probably criminals on their own world.

originally posted by: PhoenixOD
Project Camelot is a classic case of what happens when people who really, really want to believe meet head on with crazies and con men.

How do you know that's what happened?

(I am not saying you don't, I just want to know more)

I always thought of Project Camelot as a deliberate misinformation project. You don't tell the truth and give it a militaristic name, like that. And why 'Camelot'? Perhaps there is some kind of hidden meaning behind it.

I started watching those PC videos, until it started dawning on me how crazy these stories all sound, and what whackjobs the individuals in the videos seemed to be.

Plus, I don't trust people, who wear cowboy hats or certain type of vests. It reeks of some kind of self-promotion.

As Bruce Lee said, "The poorer we are inwardly, the more we try to enrich ourselves outwardly". (might not be an exact quote, apologies for that)

A cowboy hat, a fancy-pretty-much-anything, or a vest, is a clear symptom of what Bruce Lee was talking about. And why should 'enlightened spiritual masters' be poor inwardly?

Btw, are you sure your Albert Einstein-quote is correct? I thought it was "human stupidity", not "human folly". How ironic, eh?

To clarify my stance; I don't judge people purely by their clothes, because anyone can wear any kind of clothing or take it off - but when someone chooses certain types of objects to wrap around their physical bodies, it says something about them, and it must be taken into account when evaluating their story or whatnot.

I would break out my iphone and film it! a reply to: Urantia1111