VOTE: 2004 U.S. Election Results Overview & Discussion

Gazrok, with all due respect, this type of thinking is one of the problems with the liberal left. 58,296,120 people who voted for George W. Bush are not ALL crazy, right wing, Christian Crusaders. Most are normal everyday Americans you work with, play with, drive alongside on the highways, etc.

Still doesn't change the fact that many voters made their priority "family values" and supported a candidate out of prejudice and fear, instead of hope for the future.

I do not hate those who voted for Bush. But, when I work with, play with, drive alongside, etc. them, I will definitely be blaming them every time Bush hurts this nation for the next 4 or more years....

Originally posted by Gazrok
Still doesn't change the fact that many voters made their priority "family values" and supported a candidate out of prejudice and fear, instead of hope for the future.

Well said, Gazrok.

Originally posted by Gazrok

Gazrok, with all due respect, this type of thinking is one of the problems with the liberal left. 58,296,120 people who voted for George W. Bush are not ALL crazy, right wing, Christian Crusaders. Most are normal everyday Americans you work with, play with, drive alongside on the highways, etc.

Still doesn't change the fact that many voters made their priority "family values" and supported a candidate out of prejudice and fear, instead of hope for the future.

I do not hate those who voted for Bush. But, when I work with, play with, drive alongside, etc. them, I will definitely be blaming them every time Bush hurts this nation for the next 4 or more years....

Blame who you want, its easy to put blame on something its a real man who can step up and do what they believe in. As far as family values, I think you can go back to every election in history and say this was always a top issue based on economy, security, education and health care so your arguement of family values is bleak at best. As you can see all those are family "value" issues.

I told myself I wasn't going to sleep until one of them gave up. At 2AM, and a 12 pack, I was either going to pass in my chair or throwup on my desk. I decided to go to bed.

Now hopefully I can go to sleep with JFK coming out to speak in about 1.5 hours.

4 more beers, 4 more beers

That's one small round of golf for a man.

One giant leap backwards for America.

Originally posted by phreak_of_nature
I told myself I wasn't going to sleep until one of them gave up. At 2AM, and a 12 pack, I was either going to pass in my chair or throwup

on my desk. I decided to go to bed.

Now hopefully I can go to sleep with JFK coming out to speak in about 1.5 hours.

4 more beers, 4 more beers

Haha, nice......Wish I could be slamming a few down. I stayed up til 6am central time, woke up at 8 to take my daughter to school and now am completely hashed. Think ill need a early nap tonight.

Originally posted by phreak_of_nature

4 more beers, 4 more beers

Ain't that the truth. I'm planning to get drunk and stay that way until 2008.

Anybody wanna join me in my underground bunker for a cutthroat game of quarters? When we re-emerge in four years, Hillary and Barack will be there to tell us that it was all just a bad dream.

Not that it seems to matter.

MSNBC has declared Nevada for Bush putting him over the top with 274 (asumming Ohio satys red)

Originally posted by Gazrok
... It's about a Christian majority still seeking to impose their puritanical views on others, and launch a new Crusade against an enemy of their own making.

Since when did being conservative automatically equal being a fundamentalist Christian? Is being liberal automatically equal to being an athiest socialist?

True, most of the U.S. population (those who voted for Democrats included) consider themselves Christians, but very few would qualify as 'fundamentalist'.

As for puritanical views being enforced... George W. Bush has been President for four years now, and I can still buy porn on DVD, go to strip clubs, and watch South Park on Comedy Central.

Blame who you want, its easy to put blame on something its a real man who can step up and do what they believe in. As far as family values, I think you can go back to every election in history and say this was always a top issue based on economy, security, education and health care so your arguement of family values is bleak at best. As you can see all those are family "value" issues.

Voters were polled on the most important topic of the election.

They said family values, not

Economy
Security
War on Terror
Education
Health
etc.

They said "family values". Since the only "family values" issues were gay marriage and stem cell research, my argument of puritanical views driving this election seems perfectly valid imho.... But the majority has spoken, and if the majority are bible thumping zealots, well, thems just the breaks...

Now that the election is over, I hope that President Bush can step up his game. This election (unlike 2000) he seems to have won legitimately, and while I disagree agressively with his policies, I can now at least, in good conscience, treat him with the respect the office deserves.

I only hope we never get the chance to say "I told you so".

Hooray for Bush! (In terms of the choices that were available)

There was no better alternative IMHO.

Gazrok, It has always been my opinion that fundementalists of any kind are what ruins a society such as ours. But a Fundementalist in my estimation is someone who takes a viewpoint and then takes it to the extreme. Christian, Jewish, Muslim, liberal, conservative, you can find extremists within all of these groups.

I guess I have a problem with Conservatives being labeled as christian fundementalists. I consider myself to be on the conservative side of the middle, but I am no christian, nor jew, nor muslim, and I hate to see anyone labeled.

Gazrok, your great, and I love a lot of the things you say, I just can't agree with you on this.

Originally posted by Gazrok
This election (unlike 2000) he seems to have won legitimately, and while I disagree agressively with his policies, I can now at least, in good conscience, treat him with the respect the office deserves.

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Keeps looking at site motto.

Respect is due to a man, not an office. Personal power not positional power.

Where exactly is the tested legitimacy in the election process? Is it in a barrage of statistics, or in the opponent's concession?

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Originally posted by Aelita

Originally posted by Gazrok
Still doesn't change the fact that many voters made their priority "family values" and supported a candidate out of prejudice and fear, instead of hope for the future.

Well said, Gazrok.

well said....hmmm, debateable, however, that the quote is indicitive of the exact problem of the liberal left, a total misunderstanding of the importance of conservative values in the lives of mainstream americans, is undeniable. you see friends, it is not only Bush who won, it is, and has been for the past several years, a definitive shift in the house and senate as well, toward this so hated morality of the republican party. why don't you see that? amazing! possibly, just possibly, the voting public is expressing its dissatisfaction with the very things you mention, ie: homosexual marriage, gay rights, abortion, taxation, and the like, maybe they are just fed up with having these things shoved down their throat by a very, very, vocal minority.

Originally posted by phreak_of_nature
Gazrok, It has always been my opinion that fundementalists of any kind are what ruins a society such as ours. But a Fundementalist in my estimation is someone who takes a viewpoint and then takes it to the extreme. Christian, Jewish, Muslim, liberal, conservative, you can find extremists within all of these groups.

You can be a fundamentalist over anything. There are even fundamentalist Star Trek and Star Wars fans!

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar

Keeps looking at site motto.

Respect is due to a man, not an office. Personal power not positional power.

Where exactly is the tested legitimacy in the election process? Is it in a barrage of statistics, or in the opponent's concession?

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Good point MA. Since we don't have paper trails for a lot of the votes...who knows who won. Remember Diebold's promise???? Remember hackers saying they could fix the vote. Remember how some of the software turned up dubious reports in Argentina's election?

As Stalin once said, "I don't care who casts the votes, only who counts them."
As hard as the media tries to make this election "legitimate". I don't think it will work. The anti-Bush sentiment is too strong, been burned once already and it has to go somewhere.

Stock up on water, oil and supplies, kiddies!


There is no friend anywhere - Lao Tse

Sorry...only read the first page. I'm stupid.

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Kerry Conceded as a gentlman should in this case; with honor when it became apparent he could not win. He graciously handed the victory to W officially without calling upon the disgusting tactics of recounts and litigation. Thank you John Kerry for keeping some intimation of chivilary alive in this nation of corrupt values.

Hey, it's the least I could do considering the guy lost.

HEY!!

I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who contributed to this thread. i think it was a very enjoyable Night on this thread. I think we all had some fun regardless of who we wanted to win. to everyone!!!!!!

Respect is due to a man, not an office. Personal power not positional power.

a good point...but try as I may, I cannot bring myself to respect President Bush.

I'm hoping, sincerely hoping, that he can change that in the next 4 years....I really do.

Gazrok, your great, and I love a lot of the things you say, I just can't agree with you on this.

Pay me no mind...I (like half the nation) am just venting...

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