South Korea responds to North Korea's 'state of war' declaration

Uh Oh....... Now from the leadership of South Korea, this doesn't sound particularly good. They're supposed to be those cooler heads who come and prevail in that famous saying.

South Korean President Park Geun-hye said on Monday there would be strong and swift military response to any North Korean provocation without regard to political consequences, after Pyongyang said at the weekend it was entering a state of war with its rival.

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I guess I was hoping for something less......extreme? I guess the cards are on the table at this point. The North has said any provocation, of any kind by the South will bring general war and now the South has said the same for any provocation from the North.

I believe this is what they call a powder keg....with a mess of lose powder down the sides and across the floor. It sounds like a big spark could spiral up real quick at this point. Kim, I expected rhetoric from. Yap Yap Yap. Like a little puppy. The US just mixes messages however it fits at the moment. ROK though? They usually consider statements carefully and it is their city which literally sits beneath the guns of the North.

I believe this is what they call a powder keg....with a mess of lose powder down the sides and across the floor. It sounds like a big spark could spiral up real quick at this point.

That's the conclusion I have come to with all the news about North Korea and war. It feels like North Korea is bluffing, but the U.S. and South Korea want to show them that they're not bluffing.

Every week this situation gets scarier. I don't think this is the same ol' same ol' anymore. I still have a little hope it won't get too bad, as long as the north doesn't go with the whole shutting down that industrial complex threat. Things aren't looking good....And I'm not really all that into doom porn.

The Koreas are just dogs on a leash and China and the US are their masters.

Its like two people walking their dogs and as they pass each other the dogs bark at one another. They are still leashed to their master no matter how much they growl and bark.

I am wondering if Kim's statement about not trading nukes for billions wasn't such a good thing after all. The more I've gone back over and thought about that....the more I'm wondering if that wasn't just the overly snarky response to a very unofficial and quiet offer to diffuse this whole thing. Maybe the US offered a really big number to dial things down in private.

Now that's exactly the type of thing that's happened before...so it's what's occurred to me after seeing this as the next thing to happen for South Korea's response to the weekend.

I think it's a safe bet that South Korea has spies up in the North as much as the North has spies down in the South. That's part of why this bothers me. Someone else today mentioned Thailand has their Embassy in Seoul on alert to get their citizens out of South Korea (Source article).

This is definitely moving past simple nasty words when outside nations are starting to take real world moves to react to fighting starting. This starts out the week on the wrong foot, doesn't it? At least for folks over there it sounds like it.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Its doubtful anyone has spies in North Korea.

Its a hard target.

All their communications go through underground fiber optic cables which are very easily monitored. There are only 18 embassies in country, none of which would be helpful to US or South Korea spy activity and once your in country it is extremely hard to get out. This would make infiltration and extraction very very difficult.

Any foreigner who visits is accompanied at all times by handlers and all their communications are monitored as well as their interactions with local people. North Korea controls all information which is why that regime can manage to stay in power. Trying to spy and get information out is beyond difficult.

Not saying that the South doesn't have spies there but its highly unlikely.

reply to post by Hopechest



"All their communications go through underground fiber optic cables which are very easily monitored."

Is that what you meant to say? I would have thought the opposite was true.

China wants something and is pulling strings. I am wondering what those strings are. Many countries consider these sanctions an act of war and I don't think Kim wants to play the game anymore. Remember he will personally safe deep underground.

What has China promised him. Possibly a life of luxury in China.

The other question is how many will the US oppose that will keep their opposition a secret. Both Russia and China want the US to fall. There could also be a few NATO countries that would like the same thing.

Concerned am I.

P

Seems like a pissing contest to me. Can’t see anything significant happening here, why would it? Why risk huge damage to your cities over nothing? To show the world how big your cock is? I’m betting the blokes in charge of NK all drive Hummers...

reply to post by Hopechest


I have seen dogs escape the masters hand before , I think the north needs to be liberated myself . The hands of liberty are stained with blood . Too bad it cant happen within the north Korean side , but I think those folks are completly brainwashed . Worst part is we will be sucked into another war . Take care

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That has been the typical situation, although it seems as though things have been changing lately. The following is a pretty good summary of China-DPRK relations, especially in terms of re-uniting the peninsula - something that all parties seem to desire...

Will China stand behind Pyongyang to the end, or will Beijing acquiesce, if not assist, to Seoul’s bid for Korean unification on its own terms? In the event of radical regime change or collapse of state authority in the DPRK, will China “standby and do nothing” because of possible policy paralysis in Beijing, or will the PLA move in to establish a “buffer zone,” perhaps 20-30 miles inside North Korea, or will China move in, possibly, in a big way, in order “to restore its lost territory and re-establish its sovereignty” over the northern part of the Korean peninsula? In the case of an emergency, will China try to orchestrate an outright takeover of the North, possibly as a Chinese “protectorate,” or will Beijing be more predisposed to set up a remotely-controlled “puppet regime” in Pyongyang with one or some of the relatives of the new North Korean leadership residing in Beijing along more traditional lines? Whatever happens in Korea, it is likely to be messy and tumultuous, and, if history offers any guidance at all, one should suppose that Korea is likely to go the way China will go. Hence, the world should watch out for the Chinese.

Korea-China Relationship

I believe China has acquiesced for a number of reasons. The CFR has this to say about recent developments between the two countries...

These newly surfaced tensions have complicated foreign policy decisions within the ranks of Beijing's new leadership, ushered in at the beginning of 2013, as high-level discussions between China and North Korea have stalled since December 2012.

CFR

I now think that the rhetoric from Kim Jung Un is desperation - China will stand down and he knows it. China had little response to the B-52 exercises which certainly would have drawn their ire 20 years ago.

China wants:
1) A stable Korean Peninsula with a reformed economy to strengthen their investments in the North
2) People in North Korea to STAY THERE, and not become refugees in China
3) A free-trade agreement with South Korea - now an economic partner
4) Kim Jung Il back 'cause the kid is "whacked"

In my opinion, the aggressive talk from South Korea is due to China's support for removing Kim and the military. I think that war will break out in 2 months, or less. I do hope that I'm wrong, but the rhetoric in the MSM is fueling a daily fire on this issue. Interesting times indeed.

BTW, SNF Wrabbit for the Thread. Did you really kill a cactus? My oh my.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Sobering, indeed.

The puzzle piece puppet masters are sure setting up WW3 more and more overtly, imho.

May God delay it as long as possible.

I believe earnest prayers and fasting might effect such a delay to a point.

However, it will come . . . inexorably . . . at some point.

May God have mercy on all of good heart toward Him.

reply to post by ibiubu


I think that the priorities you articulate are much lower on the ranking issues the globalists are focused on.

THEY are determined to:

1. start a genocidal WW3 to reduce the world population as much and as fast as they can toward their target of a total global population of 200-500 million.

2. start a genocidal WW3 in order to trash the current global economic system and political structure toward the Biblically predicted satanic world government ultimately designed to compel worship literally of the literal satan.

3. start a genocidal WW3 because their manipulative and powerful fallen angel dark lord loves pain, suffering and bloodshed of God's favorite creation--mankind.

THEREFORE,

China has been maneuvered along with Russia and others--some say Germany, France, Japan, Iran et al--to attack the USA to begin WW3 . . . in the not distant future.

Search

www.handofhelp.com...

Welllll here's the list of dream and vision titles of such events:
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www.handofhelp.com...
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And here's a key one regarding China and Russia striking:
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www.handofhelp.com...
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In addition to this one excellent source--a former KGB agent, alcoholic until God apprehended him most miraculously--I've read of a dozen or more OTHER sources affirming essentially the same scenarios.
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--Some of the sources are military folks with advance information on both sides of the scheduled conflict.
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--Many sources are prophetic sources of one type or another.
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--Many sources are common people around the globe given similar dreams and visions.
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Buckle seatbelts. This is an "E" ticket ride. . . . and then some.

reply to post by BO XIAN


Many people have spoken of depopulation plans. However, it may be done without world wars. And why would they want a change of the current system? People protest against the current economic and banking system, so it's people that need the change, not the ones running that system!

I know I am pointing finger randomy here, but what if China and some others want to WEAKEN THE US ECONOMY by trying to involve them in yet another war? We all know how much int hurts the economy, Isn't this the purpose?

Personally I am surprised South Korea have not said anything until now, they have shown remarkable restraint in all of this. I think they have a right to make a statement to say to Un "Look you creep, you step one toe over the DMZ and we will blast you back to the Stone Age and then some" It does not mean the South will attack the North. He who attacks first will have lost the moral high ground. Especially if attacking with WMDs. Having said that given Un and his evil cronies have concentration camps, and are starving their own population, they have no morality to start off with. However if they do go completely lose it and unleash the dogs of war then history will show them to be the criminally insane evil scumbags that they are. As to the ordinary North Korean i have a very heavy heart for them. They have been living in Hell on Earth for over 50 years or so. As to those living in the North Korean capital, they know damn well they are supporting the regieme. Only the party elite and their families live there. So if it does go up in smoke, it will be horrific and the loss of any life is just awful, but they know what they are getting themselves into.

The situation is quite simple really, What has changed now that wasn't there in 2010. The US.

The US has clearly showed it's backing SK, they send 2 B2 and some F22. So what happens South Korea becomes more bold. Why shouldn't they, screw diplomatic route, we got Uncle Sam.

Who will profit from this? Only one China.

Just picked this article of KCNA.co.kp ( for anyone who's interested )
www.kcna.co.jp...
Even though you gotta filter out the propaganda it does show clearly that the US isn't so innocent in this messed up situation. And some valid points are made. Again look past the propaganda or you'l just anger yourself reading it.

According to the "2012 report on structure of bases" published by the U.S. Defense Department last year, the number of the U.S. forces in south Korea increased nearly 11 000 troops in September 2009.
Many latest war hardware including at least 160 Bradley armored cars, over 120 M1-A2 Abrams new type heavy tanks, 83 anti-mine special cars and 24 F-16 fighter bombers were additionally deployed in the U.S. forces in south Korea from 2011 to 2012.
This year the U.S. seeks to reintroduce into south Korea the 23rd chemical battalion which was withdrawn in 2004, double AH-64D Apache helicopter squadrons and reinforce Patriot missile forces.
The U.S. forces in south Korea have been reinforced by troops equal to one division in one to two years. The U.S. is mulling steadily introducing ultra-modern war hardware into it. This is a very dangerous move to ignite a nuclear war on the Korean Peninsula at any cost.
The U.S. together with the south Korean puppet forces is busy staging the Key Resolve and Foal Eagle war maneuvers against the DPRK with nuclear submarines, B-52, B-2A and other strategic weapons involved, openly revealing its attempt to mount a nuclear attack on the DPRK.
Meanwhile, it is prodding the puppet warmongers into military provocations, vociferating about the "plan for jointly countering the provocation of a local war".

edit on 1-4-2013 by Senduko because: (no reason given)

The situation looks pretty simple. Either a peace treaty is finally signed or 60 million people in Korea wind up dead or displaced with a reasonable chance of the conflict extending to a global scale.

its like to guys yelling at each other and make false rushes at the other to see if the other flinches

3 possibilities..
1) nothing will happen..nk will continue to threaten....and eventually everybody will accept it as the norm and ignore nk...again, ......or a diferrent world problem will arise, probably another military conflict which the u.s. will lead and attention will go elswhere...

2) the u.s. will flinch and conduct a pre-emtive strike on nk for whatever political reasons the administration whats to label it....

3) nk will shoot at/shoot down or sink a sk vessel or plane and claim that it was spying or dropping off special forces ect....

it seems that nk is really trying to goad some type of physical reaction to thier threats..get the 'enemy' to strike first then all else is...justified....
gunna go did my bunker a bit deeper now..not to hide from nk..but the govt