Disc Shaped UFO Near Shenzhou-8 Undocking

reply to post by Mickles

Life exists below us in the vast depths of the earths oceans, why can't life exist above us in the vastness of space?

You would be foolish to think that life outside our planet didn't exist, but from the stand point of the OP video this isn't showing us that intelligent life, but what it does show is more than likely a piece of space debris tumbling toward the camera.

reply to post by smarterthanyou

OP was right to call you out because the way you responded was highly arrogant, regardless of your background and knowledge. There are so many videos of anomalous objects out there you would have to be wearing your dunce cap to be thinking that there isn't something going on.

And yet the OP doesn't have a clue about how space debris that tumbles can look like it is blinking, who seems to be wearing the dunce cap now?

Originally posted by Mclaneinc
We also see that the object comes towards the craft in the Chinese video, so its not ice off either craft, I'm not so sure it actually uncloaks, I'd say its simply that it entered the light field then as opposed to the pitch black beyond the craft.

This is a very astute and constructive suggestion. Once you realize that spacecraft in orbit cast their own shadows 'down sun', you can imagine the umbra zone close IN to the vehicle. then when something SEEMS to 'materialize' or 'pop up', you can properly interpret it as moving out of the close-in shadow zone.

This is mosty striking during the brief orbital periods when the satellite has emerged from earth's shadow but the ground below it is still dark, This prevents any back-fill into the shadow zone from light reflected back into space from Earth's surface. 'Small stuff' in the shadow is totally invisible until it emerges into full sunlight.

Would it be surprising to learn that practically ALL the most famous 'shuttle UFO' videos -- STS-48, 63, 75, 80, etc etc -- were made in precisely this relatively uncommon lighting condition? No surprise that the UFO promoters failed to recognize this, or if they did, that they kept it from their target audience. It's clearly a cause and effect of a normal spaceflight visual phenomenon.

From www.jamesoberg.com/99faq.html[

35 Q: How much of it is “space junk”?

A: Very, very little, actually – if you use the standard definition of “space junk” to mean other satellites and pieces off of them, which constitute an impact hazard to human space missions and automated satellites as well. Because all orbiting objects are moving at tremendous speeds in different directions, when they do pass closely to each other, they zip past at several miles per second. Thus they are extremely difficult to detect visually. Anything that was seen over a period of time longer than a few seconds would have to have been something closely following the observer, and thus associated with the vehicle from which the observation was being made. Now, that's unless it was somebody else’s vehicle deliberately keeping pace, of course. But "space junk" as we commonly use the term? Hardly ever, maybe never.



36 Q: How often do astronauts see passing satellites out the window, or on TV screens.

A: Astronauts have observed other distant satellites, but not often. On special research programs, some astronauts have been able to spot ‘Iridium flares’ [Don Pettit, for example]. But on occasion when the crew was advised to look for a particularly close [a few miles] pass of a large satellites, every effort to detect the fly-by visually has failed. I have never found a single case of an observed nearby object turning out to be a passing satellite in independent orbit.



37 Q: But aren’t they flying through clouds of ‘space junk’? How could all those tens of thousands of objects be invisible?

A: I’ve got to admit that this has been really surprising to me since like so many others I had at first overlooked how big space is and how FAST criss-crossing orbits diverge. The earthside analogy of airplanes on different headings being visible to each other in midair as they crossed paths just overwhelmed a rational consideration of the way space is so very different, so unearthly. It makes sense now that eyeballs would almost never notice such fast passersby, so I can understand how the public has fallen for the same false analogy.

Anything moving slowly in a local field-of-view is either something off of the spacecraft itself, a vehicle or payload approaching or receding from it, or else something very very interesting. Until the more likely prosaic candidates are filtered out, it's a waste of time to speculate on more exotic -- but not impossible -- explanations.

Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by ThinkingCap

 

Looks to me like some tumbling object bounced back after hitting the satellite. Problem with that is the speed at which different objects move through space. Actual collisions are rare. Any that do occur are usually at such high relative velocities that it wouldn't be observable by camera a) and b), wouldn't "bounce".

Unless this is a piece of ice shaken loose by thrusters (during docking and undocking maneuvers) or...

its faked.

Pulsing is explained because all free tumbling objects umm... tumble.

But definitely not a UFO, right? You've given every other explanation apart from the most obvious one.

Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by ThinkingCap

 

Just FYI dude, Jim Orberg carries significant weight on ATS primarily because of his background and expertise in space matters. I would respectfully request you at least check out his credentials before dismissing his input on ATS.

Oberg has been handed his own ass on ATS so many times it is not even funny anymore.

Originally posted by Rubic0n

Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by ThinkingCap

 

Just FYI dude, Jim Orberg carries significant weight on ATS primarily because of his background and expertise in space matters. I would respectfully request you at least check out his credentials before dismissing his input on ATS.

Oberg has been handed his own ass on ATS so many times it is not even funny anymore.

Well, that's what I get when I'm handing out brains, and some folks think I said 'trains'.

Seriously, check out the '99 faQs' on space UFO videos for some background on what you see on these kinds of videos.

I watched the Shenzhou video carefully, as requested. The object crosses the field of view pretty quick, compared to shuttle 'dandruff'. And then something briefly appears moving along a reverse path. Sadly, I have no access to camera specs such as depth of field and gain, in these systems.

...but Tiangong and Shenzhou use the same kind of small thrusters that the shuttle [and apollo] did, so I'm presuming the same operating characteristics apply. ISS as a rule does not use thrusters for steering, but the Russian [and SpaceX] vehicles that dock to it, do, and there's a set of maneuvering jets in the Russian segment's 'Service module' that on occasion are used for dodging space junk.

Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by ThinkingCap

 

---- If you wish to call this an outright hoax, then by all means, point out some of the areas in this video that are not authentic to you.

I didn't say it was a hoax because the video is real, but when ADG posts videos that are blatant hoaxes then he isn't any better than the person who uploaded the video first.

That is why I said this video is questionable, in fact here is one of my favorites from him...

That is why I said this video is questionable, in fact here is one of my favorites from him

questionable

ahahaha. You sir, are a comedian. Thanks for the laugh.

reply to post by ThinkingCap


It is very hard to be sure of, now, in time of unmanned and manned crafts of various kinds, produced in many countries all over the world. It can be UFO, not being alien.
UFO means Unidentified Flying Object, and it is any not-known to the particular person, organisation, and similar.
UFO doesn't mean alien, can be, but don't have to be.

reply to post by IBelieveInAliens

But definitely not a UFO, right? You've given every other explanation apart from the most obvious one.

Thats because there are too many things it could be. Until all that stuff can be ruled out, yah. I don't see any of the believers presenting any scientific evidence, just agreeing with each other (as usual) that YouTube UFO is real. While at the same time dismissing questions about authenticity.

Thats the most obvious thing I see.

reply to post by Rubic0n

Oberg has been handed his own ass on ATS so many times it is not even funny anymore.

Oh well I believe that too. Coming from you, I mean.

reply to post by ThinkingCap


I want to say I believe it's a legit UFO, but...I'm with the tumbling piece of small debris in close proximity to the camera theory. It would be way cooler if it were the real deal, but it's likely some ice or other debris bouncing off the skin near the camera IMO.

reply to post by ThinkingCap


It's ADG mate which makes the footage unreliable as the guy who runs ADG posts so much crap on his YT channel (a lot of which is complete fake).

Secondly, if an object is genuinely there, then it's the secret space program which does exist and previous non-public operations have been performed.

However, as I said, ANYTHING which comes from this source is highly dubious

Originally posted by Mickles
Great vid, thanks for sharing.

Life exists below us in the vast depths of the earths oceans, why can't life exist above us in the vastness of space?

Here is a bit of information for you to ponder and dwell upon, the further up in our atmosphere we go the higher the density of microbes, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised that there is life in the are of space that we consider an empty vacuum since bacteria can exist in extreme conditions.

Bacterial colonies influence precipitation.
These same microbes sheild us from radiation.
Chemtrails spray chems to feed ????? , chemtrailing is NOT cloud seeding.


www.sciencedaily.com...
www.popsci.com...
www.astrobio.net...


The truth is out there but it's a matter of perspective and how the message is spun.


Mr. JimOberg is actually being helpful by fast forwarding what you will just eventually learn just as I have from reviewing the exact same material that Mr. JimOberg is mentioning. I have reviewed these videos many times and finally debunked them feeling hopeless as to proving that there is something hidden from us.

Many of those videos are highly edited, when you find the originals and watch them in their entirety you will come to an entirely different conclusion. This is not to deter you, my sig is the truth, there IS MORE and it's up to you to use a discerning and deductive eye to filter through the disinformation.


Disinformation is the greatest tool against mankind right now.

Originally posted by Knives4eyes
Disinformation is the greatest tool against mankind right now.

No argument here. Maybe our difference is that you may suspect there is a cabal of knowledgeable 'insiders' who are deliberately feeding false information to the public. I am even more alarmed by what I interpret as the public feeding ITSELF disinformation and misinterpretation for ego-boost purposes. The difference is, you may believe there is a small cadre who knows the whole truth and are engineering public confusion, while I have reached the view that there is no such 'inner circle' and the disinformation is a self-made process.

But that gives us control, and allows us to apply proper mental descipline to crawl out of the false information we naively and ignorantly have soaked ourselves with. We have the keys in our hands already.

reply to post by JimOberg


Yes, I do agree with you and your view but there is only 1 thing that prevents me from having your exact perspective, my sig, it is not a joke.

Otherwise I would be inclined to wholeheartedly agree with you on this subject.


I feel utterly alone since only a handful have seen what I have but every witness is rattled beyond trying to keep their sanity intact. There is one common sentiment among them that have seen this craft, we were exposed purposely and were not afraid, some of us felt as though it was a 'wink' at us.

My immediate thought after witnessing this craft and it's manuevers was " this has got to be an alien prank on me."


I repeat , this is not a joke.

Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by Knives4eyes
Disinformation is the greatest tool against mankind right now.

No argument here. Maybe our difference is that you may suspect there is a cabal of knowledgeable 'insiders' who are deliberately feeding false information to the public. I am even more alarmed by what I interpret as the public feeding ITSELF disinformation and misinterpretation for ego-boost purposes. The difference is, you may believe there is a small cadre who knows the whole truth and are engineering public confusion, while I have reached the view that there is no such 'inner circle' and the disinformation is a self-made process.

But that gives us control, and allows us to apply proper mental descipline to crawl out of the false information we naively and ignorantly have soaked ourselves with. We have the keys in our hands already.

Ahhhh --- this is always a very interesting aspect to UFOlogy.

I would suggest: Why not both?

It is not as far fetched as many would have us believe, that there could be a group of elites who have the "blue prints to control".

If you look into Edward Bernays you will see that he is merely one man, among many whose name we do and don't know the names of ---- people who very easily can perpetuate this self-perpetuated delusion of consumerism and unquestionable faith in government.

One of the biggest lies I feel is the "us vs. them" archetype which has been force-fed to us in every way possible: through sports, wars, races, countries, businesses, beliefs, political parties. I think there is Good Competetition and then there is Divisive Tactics to keep us disconnected.

These mystery schools are very interesting, and I do think there are very successful groups who have benefited off of comprehensive study groups and think tanks regarding the nature of reality & metaphysics.
Though these occult teachings are no longer hidden, in fact they are easily searchable: we live in a brave new world, don't we.



^ Jim, I highly suggest you look into this if you have not already. It really is a beautiful documentary.

I have always firmly thought that things such as flying saucers/metallic crafts were products of WW2 research.
Look what happened to Tesla, after all. It's been one hundred years and yet we still are completely unsustainable as a civilization all thanks to a few greedy businessmen and a highly suggestible population.

So they are working with advanced forms of energy--- yet compartmentalize it only for secret military testing. It is even too much of a risk to use for intended purposes (war) --- Because if it ever got out, the masses would never forgive them for holding back such a civilization-altering tool.

It is like the Farside joke, "We have the cure for cancer!" says one doctor, to which his colleague replies "Like hell you did, and ruin our funding?"


What I saw, that brought me to places like ATS could only be likened to the foo fighters mentioned in WW2.
These golden orbs have been witnessed by many here in Northern California.
I can't take back what I saw, but I am not foolish enough to suggest I know what I saw other than it was a kind of technology that brought me a kind of "calmness" that I cannot relate with anyone, no computer will ever impress me after that experience.


This UFO/evident debris still sits ill with me however. I want to know why they suddenly switched cameras after it "came back", too much of a coincidence for me.

reply to post by ThinkingCap


Another view that I have on why they would cut away from that object is because they're trying to commercialize space travel and have regularly scheduled commerical space flights.

If the dangers of space travel were evident and if I do believe there is a radiation belt that shoots particles through your craft and body, all bets would be called off. ( I believe I've read somewhere that you can actually see these particles pass through your head as white spots when you close your eyes while riding through )

en.wikipedia.org...

Would you visit a landfill?


I do admire your thirst for the truth though.

Even for ATS, this is weak sauce...

reply to post by ThinkingCap


I also see a second smaller object to the left as the main objects takes off. This is pretty interesting especially the movements and how it just appears, lights up and jets off. S & F