Korea : Status of United States Forces and Early Signs of Changes

Originally posted by maes2

Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni

Originally posted by maes2
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

that was not that short !
I do not believe that USA is going through a military conflict with North Korea. as I know USA does not involve in such wars and with these situations.
as you are familiar with it's history, do you really think that would happen ?

Regardless of how many troops the us has there including navy etc... please, do tell me about history.

I am not an expert in US history. but I know that if USA had wanted to involve in wars without any strategy and enough carefulness it would have not survived the world wars. and it would have gotten ruined like EU.
so USA has a wise military machine. first weakens it's targets enough then it may attack. like Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan .....
but North Korea is in hand of China. and it has nukes. and it can reach US's mainland.

Ditto, I mentioned this in another thread. Worth repeating because it's relevant to your statement

"The midget is trying to get world attention, probably influenced by senior military leaders surrounding him. He's an inexperienced, "boy". The rhetoric has to be toned down. They do not have the capability to hit the U.S., but can hit SK, japan and the American bases in the region, however. America is well prepared for these kinds of threats. The CIA has been launching "classified military hardware' into orbit for decades (Reagans' SDI program, i.e. "Star Wars")"

reply to post by Nomad5000


Problem is the "boy" has Generals who WANT War. That's ALL they have prepared for. They also believe they will win ANY type of War, with the South, or anyone they want to war with.

His cheering section is Loud.............

reply to post by tadlem43


well, i dont know about that, we keep flyin our B-2's in this scenario, we get russia and china screamin at us, then nk tries to nuke us.

or we do a pre-emptive strike on NK, and have russia and china screamin at us. either we, war is coming. the fan's gonna turn brown real fast. i know war always helps the government, but they wont listen to us.

things be lining up, the fema camps to supposedly "protect us", war with iran and NK, civil war with us citizens that will resist the corporate empire and government.

theres not much time left as i see it.

I have a friend living in South Korea, and she said that there have been an increase of cyber attacks from the North (and possibly China) - in fact, the banks in South Korea were shut down the other day because of it.

Originally posted by maes2
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

that was not that short !
I do not believe that USA is going through a military conflict with North Korea. as I know USA does not involve in such wars and with these situations.
as you are familiar with it's history, do you really think that would happen ?

Uhh yea and uhh yea the united states does involves itself in these situations ALL the time.

Oh just to think all the wars we been screwing into. North Korea is in for a change if they continue this behavior.

Somebody wants a war and whatever the cost is, its going to happen maybe not today but time is running out.

You better check your local cable subscriber.

I hope that the USA has learnt it's lessons and will not engage first- after all, they're not actually very good at war.

Name the last conflict the USA actually won? WWII? British troops call the US ones "all the gear, no idea". Sorry if that offends, but it's the truth as told to me by the troops themselves!

One thing that strikes me (sic) is the assumption by many here that the USA must take a hit first. The launching of a missile does not guarantee it's impact on a target and I would be very surprised if one actually made contact. Mind you, the USA has been caught with it's pants down before....

Hopefully this will all turn out to be yet another session of NK trying to be taken seriously and nobody will have to die. I'm not holding my breath though.

Originally posted by THEBEARDEDGOAT
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

I have a legitimit question. Would US premptively strike in case of an on-comming attack or would the US take the first hit before they unleashed the war-machine?

Well, the doctrine through the end of Bush's term and starting many President's before him on that was clear. The U.S. wouldn't simply sit and wait to confirm an ICBM was nuclear or other before retaliating as if it were.

However, there are two important things to note here. First, that was a policy born of the cold war where the attack wouldn't be A missile but dozens if not hundreds of them coming at once. Assumptions in that case are luxuries no one has and it made sense. North Korea's whole arsenal, launched at once, wouldn't amount to much in numbers. Not intermediate range or more, anyway. Short range is different but wouldn't be the retaliation you mean.

Now? I don't think the U.S. would respond in that way with either Nuclear or the next step below it with Barometric /Fuel-Air weapons. War would, by definition, already be started by ANY launch of an actual warhead....and as soon as it confirmed as tracking to a U.S. or allied land area? The conventional counter-attack would be on the way, I imagine.

A missile or any nuclear attack back though? I don't see that happening without actually taking the hit to be absolutely sure. That's an unthinkable decision for any President.

I'd actually feel truly bad for Obama, if put into that position. It'd be a lot of emotions ..conflicting ones.. but feeling sorry would be one of them if missiles into Japan or Guam have anything but conventional explosive. The choices just shouldn't be what any man has to make.

Steve Herman: KCNA: "Nuclear war on the Korean Peninsula has become unavoidable."

Link

KCNA

Central news agency of North Korea (In English). For all the latest fun from the fat'un. Open advertising of nuclear war. final plans in process. This is NOT Kim Il, or Kim Jong. This guy is new, unknown, untested, and talked himself into a corner.

To say that this is a familiar pattern, and dismiss is as it has all been done before I reject. This is something very new, and the intensity and regulatory of the propaganda is on the verge.

Have the feeling this is going to suck big time. But then I have been wrong before. But then again I have also been right.

Not sure if posted here before (probably has), but here is the full declaration by NK: live.reuters.com...

Its quite interesting, they seem to want war, but so far seem to be waiting for USA/SK to do something, which they won't. How is North Korea going to get out of this? Just stop talking and hope everyone forgets, or are they going to declare peace, for some made up reason, or what?

Originally posted by Hopechest
You know that's considered plagiarism if you submit it to a college after posting it in public. Even if your the author.

I hope your joking there. If not, just look up the definition of plagiarism. Although it would be best not to post exact quotes from an assignment on the internet, because you do risk getting into serious interviews, but obviously you get a chance to prove your innocence in said interviews, since plagiarism is an extremely serious charge (not only do you get kicked out of uni, your academic record can be ruined). In any case, shouldn't be a problem, since the OP is probably not directly quoting his essay/thesis on here, just paraphasing the relevant research.

reply to post by tadlem43
Just a thought ...............wouldn't it be smart of China to use NK as a pawn to get the Korean peninsula, it gets them closer to Japan and more control of the surrounding seas.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Heard from a reliable source that US presence in south Korea is lessen the odds of South Korea from invading the north, not to prevent the north from attacking.

So whatever people keep saying about America biting off more than they can chew - is totally wrong in this area.

Also, FPCON bravo is nothing to get concerned about-its when they start to MOPP up.

Originally posted by GezinhoKiko
STATE OF WAR DECLARED BY NORTH KOREA ON SOUTH KOREA!

North Korea has entered a “state of war” against its Southern neighbor, stating that from now on any issues between the two countries will be resolved in a "wartime manner."

RT.News

its getting a bit crazy!

The STATE OF WAR was later clarified is just a mis-translation from North Korean and it is not exactly what was meant..

It says they will prepare 'as if in a state of war' not actually in such a state..

Kim Jong Jr. is high on melodrama, and ready to drop nukes on the next country that looks at one of his dad's statues wrong..

Originally posted by GeeBee
I hope that the USA has learnt it's lessons and will not engage first- after all, they're not actually very good at war.

Your kidding right? We, Cough, I mean our stupid leaders are not good at "Nation Building". The U.S. is number one in any scenario in war. Not one person alive has seen what our military can and would do against a nuclear armed country. When a country like NK is concerned their is no other option but to take the gloves off our Generals and Admirals and let them kick ass. If Obama was not in office this would happen and the world would not mess with us for a 100 years..

Sadly he is and God only knows how dumb he will be in tying the hands of our Armed Forces.

This is what I do know. We have Stealth drones that not one person here has seen that can deliver six nuclear cruise missiles up lil Kim Jr's ass. That will be followed in by our manned bomber that is still classified, to then be backed up by the B-2 and F-22 if necessary.

Much as i wish good grades on ya wrabbbit, im hoping yer work is all for nothing, and this situation calms down......
Thanks for the massive background!

First I saw the title I read ''Korea : Status of United States Forces and Early Signs of Chaos''

We see what we want to see right? :p

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


After 2006, North Korea reestablished the railway traffic with Russia. It is possible that they got long-range balistic missiles, of Soviet Production...



Oh, what a surprise, Her State Chancelor...

Greetings

Thanks for the Information provided.
Cannot be informed enough.

TheGreazel.

Im not concerned about the FPCON (Force Protection Condition). My base that is CONUS has been FPCON Bravo for the past 12 years, We even to FPCON Charlie a few times and werent allowed to leave the base.

We arent the only CONUS bases that are at Bravo, the AirForce base near us was also but I think last year it went to Alpha