Marriage is NOT a Constitutional Right!

reply to post by SamaraTen


Lack of stars and flags should be an obvious reflection of your post. People are coming around to treating others with equality and respect. You can maintain your hate all you want. Good always rises to the top.

Equality. It's a simple word that the majority take for granted. Your majority status is coming to end for good reason, you have no reason. You can't articulately argue a defense against oppressing other human beings.

BTW.....what's in it for you to argue against people that don't bother you in any way whatsoever? This is crazy.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Honestly... grown men and women, running around as though it's the coming of the anti-christ if DOMA is ruled unconstitutional. I can assure you all, your lives will move on as per usual if the supreme court rules against your favor.

Heck my life will move on if the court rules to uphold DOMA, I know things will change for the better in due time.

It's not at all my concern that those supporting DOMA or related state laws can't handle a defeat. After all, there IS nowhere left to appeal. If the Supers say it goes down? Down it goes...and that's a dead topic for a long time in this nation after that.

What concerns me is...if the California law is upheld..will the other side respect that as the final decision? Somehow I think they won't. Somehow, I think that's the largest single difference too. Just my thoughts...

reply to post by SamaraTen


Clearly history has taught us NOTHING, and by us I mean you.

Careful now "they" might teach your children a thing to two about loving one another and treating others the way you would like to be treated!!!

reply to post by argentus

I won't characterize anyone as a 'hater'.

Thank you

1) tax benefit 2) insurance benefits that are pooled, such as insurance via a person's employment, as opposed to two people each having a separate policy

Money

3) hospital visitation rights

A legitimate gripe

4) the ability to make previously-agreed upon life-changing decisions, such as when a person cannot make the decisions for themselves (and I'll admit freely that this can be a contract between any people, married or not, however the system is far more geared toward married couples

Was under the impression anyone can make a living will/medical power of attorney

5) Legal responsibility for their children (many, many gay/lesbian couples have children)

Can be had as anyone can have guardian status.

Don't see marriage as a "human right" people are free to disagree.to me marriage has never been about legal status.

reply to post by jpkmets


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Originally posted by SamaraTen
FINE. If they want to get married....they should disassociate themselves with CIVIL RIGHTS and Constitutional Rights! You can't hide being "black". But, no one can say, with certainty: "hey, that person is gay".

You can if two men are applying for a marriage license. The marriage license is denied if two men or two women apply for it. That's where the discrimination comes in, hence the infringement of constitutional rights.

Don't say it's about religion, because two atheists can get a marriage license, no problem. And don't say it's about procreation, because two senior citizens can get a marriage license, no problem. Nope - it's about discriminating against a group of people because they're different from the majority.

Originally posted by SamaraTen

Originally posted by tnhiker
Why is this even an issue? The only reason it is an issue is religion makes it one. People say its gays trying to force acceptance; however, its more like religions shoving their crap down everybodies throat.

Its been around since the beginning of time, hell there was even cities of it in the Bible(if you believe the skewed viewpoints presented there). When you put aside all arguments and just think why you(nobody in particular, using you as a general statement) are against it, it is either from religious viewpoints, or deep rooted homophobia.

No government function should be allowed to restrict peoples happiness. If being gay and marrying gay makes you happy, more power to you. Personally I think any two people who love each other and live each other should be afforded all the benefits and rights of a married couple, mostly so they don't have to get married to receive them.

Sodom and Gomorrah is skewed? Ever heard of Greenwich Village or West Hollywood? Have you seen how gay people act, in public, during their "gay pride parades"?

Also, murder has been around since the beginning...lest you forget, does that make it "right"?

And again, what RIGHTS do married people have???? You act like married people get special privileges.

edit on 26-3-2013 by SamaraTen because: (no reason given)

Yes,I have seen how those gay people act in public, the extreme fringe if you will. How is that any different from sports fans rioting after a game? Extreme behavior and not based on the majority. I have several gay friends, all they want is the same treatment, nothing special.

Sodom and Gomorrah is skewed, as the only "known" accounting of it is from a religious text. Hell, the city was probably destroyed by a wildfire and somebody claimed it was their god or something. Murder in itself is based on which side of the fight you are on. With the sanction of the government it becomes legal. Or, in the bible although it is against a commandment, they are commanded to kill and kill and kill some more, sooo, thats not a good example.

Married people get tax breaks, they get easier access to health benefits from their partners work, they are not looked down upon by society(mostly religious because of that whole living in sin premarital sex crap they preach), get recognized in court battles, and in death have more rights then live in partners do. So, whats wrong with allowing them to get married?

Since the main topic was constitutional legality, etc etc here goes.

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States"
14th amendment, which I believe is the one in question. Since you seem to key in on the term "rights", lets ignore that word and look at the exact wording. In this case, its privileges. As stated before, married people are given multiple privileges that non married people do not receive. By creating laws that ban gay marriage, they are abridging the privileges. To abridge, is to curtail, or to deprive someone of something. Since married people are protected by being married, allowed health benefits from their spouse, receive federal tax benefits for being married, and homosexual companies are being denied that because of the anti gay marriage, the states are in the wrong. Any state that has a ban on gay marriage, is in direct violation of the 14th amendment.

Now, because of the 10th amendment restricting government powers, the federal government cannot make gay marriage mandatory nationwide. But what the federal government can do is two things. The supreme court can overturn any anti gay marriage law brought before it on a state by state case. Since their job is to uphold the constitution, they would be bound by the 14th amendment to come down on states for that. Why this has not happened yet is a mystery. The second thing the feds could do is extend the marriage benefits to co-habitation couples regardless of sexual orientation.

Bottom line is any state with an anti same sex marriage law, or any federal laws are direct violations of the constitution. Though, that doesn't seem to stop them on many fronts.

While "marriage" isn't a Constitutional Right....Equality is.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Yes it is. The constitution does not name our rights. We have infinite sovereign inalienable rights. The constitution is a box that limits what government can take and mess with out of our infinite rights, for the good of the nation. Marriage falls under, the individual sovereign rights of a citizen, not in the box of anyone to limit in any way.

reply to post by jpkmets


This is not a subject I can even begin to discuss with you or others like you. I am sure there are many subjects we could discuss, but not this one.

I accept everyone as people. I would serve water to anyone that was thirsty... But that doesn't mean I have to agree with their life style.

This is a "black and white" subject with me. More of a right or wrong. And I'm right. No matter how many "Gay Gods" the Greeks had. I defy them all. I have but one god.

Re: OP The Feds should not even be in on this. The voters spoke. The G&Ls didn't like the cards that were dealt. After this everyone that screws dogs will want their "rights".


The G&L want acceptance for their LIFE STYLE. The voters didn't agree with them.

Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

But not being discriminated against IS a US Constitutional civil right.

Why don't single people get the tax breaks that married people do?

Isn't that discrimination?

Nope, because its by choice. If a single hetero wants to get married, they do, they get benefits. If a single homosexual wants to get married, they get blocked.

Besides, single people get the freedom of doing what they want, when they want without nagging, plus money in the bank.

Let me tell you one thing that the LGBT community will never do. They will never give up. You won't find us crying in the street. You won't find us ceding our rights as human beings over to anyone. The fight is on and it will not end til every dang one of us has the same right to walk with their head held high down the street. You haters will never win.

Your tired of us? Let me assure you....once we have our peace and civil rights, you won't hear from us. You fight us, the game is on.

Originally posted by murphy22
reply to post by jpkmets

 

Re: OP The Feds should not even be in on this. The voters spoke. The G&Ls didn't like the cards that were dealt. After this everyone that screws dogs will want their "rights".

You can't vote on whether it's okay to discriminate against a group of people who are law-abiding, tax-paying, consenting adults/citizens. That's like saying it's okay to vote slavery back in.

Last time I checked, dogs weren't consenting adults.

reply to post by DarthMuerte

Gay men and gay women have exactly the same rights as straight men and women. The right to marry the member of the opposite sex of their choosing, presuming consent from the other party. That is equal protection.

Don't you think that's a lot like saying the only religion you are allowed to practice is judaism, but everyone can chose whether or not to practice? What I'm trying to get at is limiting everyone's options down to one and only then allowing them to chose is not real freedom.

The 14th amendment mentions neither gays nor marriage so their argument is basically arbitrary.

However that said I think we should give them their rights. They can marry but they then need to shut their traps stop having all their gay pride parades and realize that there is not a darn thing special about them anymore. You gays want the same rights then you deserve equal treatment with no special perks .....you are not special.

Originally posted by brandiwine14
The 14th amendment mentions neither gays nor marriage so their argument is basically arbitrary.

However that said I think we should give them their rights. They can marry but they then need to shut their traps stop having all their gay pride parades and realize that there is not a darn thing special about them anymore. You gays want the same rights then you deserve equal treatment with no special perks .....you are not special.

No more Mardi Gras or crazy college Spring Breaks at the beach, then either, right?

reply to post by kaylaluv


Never did neither never needed or wanted to make an arse of myself that way.

However there is a huge difference between Mardi Gras which last to my knowledge is for EVERYONE gays included, where as a gay pride parade is to celebrate ones gay pride which actual straight men and women dont have so they can't really celebrate it.

Originally posted by brandiwine14
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

Never did neither never needed or wanted to make an arse of myself that way.

However there is a huge difference between Mardi Gras which last to my knowledge is for EVERYONE gays included, where as a gay pride parade is to celebrate ones gay pride which actual straight men and women dont have so need can't really celebrate it.

So, you're only problem with the gay pride parade is that you don't feel included? I have never been, but I hear that straight friends and relatives of gays are totally invited to join in the celebration. I'm sure they'd be happy to have you come.

reply to post by kaylaluv


No I dont like their agenda where they shove their lifestyle down my throat. I have no need to walk in a gay pride parade nor the want to.

I don't hate gays but i'm not overjoyed by them either. go about their business as a normal human would and i'll go about mine. Simple really.

reply to post by kaylaluv


So animal lovers can't "love" their pets how they see fit?

Are you judging them?

Who are you to push your beliefs on to them?

Why as mentioned earlier "Gay Greek gods" screwed boys. Pan, the goat man god was as quier as a three doller bill.

Yet to the poster he seemed to be the poster boy for gayness!

You people really don't see how absurd you sound.