God does not exist.

reply to post by Angle

Originally posted by Angle
Well, I don't think I have what a lot call a 'religion'. But what they are trying to address with this word I suppose I have. And a good one that is. Religion is not like having a finger or such. Paul says: If you want to be religious, go see widows and be like their husband for them, and go visit orphins." Then one is 'religious' says Paul. Then what is religion. The word religion has no meaning. I'd rather have faith than having a religion. Or I'd say I have the religion that demands faith.

EVERYONE is Religious...

Everyone worships SOMETHING.

Whether its self, humanity, human intellect, materialism, pleasure, science, evolution, etc.

Dylan was right about ONE thing: you "Gotta Serve Somebody".

Atheists and non-atheists alike BOTH make the same mistake of thinking you must believe in a deity in order to worship one.

By promoting false philosophies you are serving Satan's agenda which blinds people to the truth.

"The god of this world has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ." 2 Corinthians 4:4

Atheism and religion are BOTH part of the SAME agenda.

BOTH are lies and both have the same "deity" behind them: Satan.

BOTH are nothing more than stealth mind control tools.

The evidence for this is so massive that it boggles the mind that people are gullible enough to actually believe it.

Because of this massive amount of evidence I doubt that the OP even believes what he is saying himself!

The credibility is completely nonexistent as far as I can see.

Atheism is just another Illuminati mind control Religion with the SAME hidden agenda.

Atheists are actually being used as a tool of Satan by spreading HIS Religion and lies.

Atheism IS absolutely a religion and a fanatical one at that whether the atheists want to admit it or not.

In the end, we're all the same.

We just have faith in different beliefs.

But here's the thing: ONE of us is wrong.

reply to post by Murgatroid


That clarifies a lot.

reply to post by Angle


I take it you two are from the same asylum?

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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I take it you two are from the same asylum?

I believe I'm also from that sanctuary.

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You can't even say that with certainty. In fact, it would be more apparent to say that both of us are right, since we can never ultimately know which one is the wrong.

It's reminiscent of schroedingers cat. Both states, the cat as alive and the cat dead, are true.

There are some agnostics who relish this state of indeterminacy, since we can never know, and if ever do find out, it won't be while we're in this world.

Personally, I think faith in God's existence is worth the risk. However you may live as an atheist or agnostic, I still feel you would be depriving yourself of a dimension of experience, primarily meaning oriented towards a universal source, that changes the very fabric, it seems, of ordinary reality.

It's as if you have to take the jump before you can know what it is which makes participation in the "thou" of existence so compelling.

Originally posted by Onewhoknowsjesus
This thread does not exist...i deny this threads existence....I mock this thread because it cannot be proven,it's just hollow words that are not real....I believe the op here is a certified wacko......the end.don't bother trying to argue with me as i see you to be a nut job who's opinion does not matter..not in this life or the next one

I don't see you, so stop pretending you're there !

reply to post by randyvs

I don't see you, so stop pretending you're there !

Does that mean if I have a dog sitting next to me, but you don't see it, then that dog automatically becomes a figment of my imagination? I could describe that dog and not call it a short, big, invisible reddish brown silently yappy kind of purebred mutt. Technically speaking, there is no way any deity could exist according to the character you describe as the Biblical god. What you essentially worship is nothing more than the best attributes we possess in conjunction with what we wish to be. The human species has an insane obsession with perfection, but they don't even know where to begin looking. So then some seek to master the material world, become technical gods whose appreciation spans the entire length of the "precious metal and stone" spectrum, and others aspire to always be second best, cowering in the shadow of a god whose demeanor redefines Hitler as a saintly angel of benevolence. Fear becomes love. Slavery becomes freedom. Ignorance becomes knowledge. It's seriously Orwellian, in case you hadn't noticed. And that's something I think I may never understand. Why do we fight all our lives to be free of dictatorship, only to embrace one in the eternal afterlife. At least you can die in a mortal dictatorship. But imagine living forever in one. Why must we serve instead of sharing? Why shirk independence in favor of addiction? "God" has broken almost every rule he has given us, in accordance with the Bible.

What I'm saying here is that before we even begin to worship anything else, we should revere ourselves. There is beauty and potential to your imperfections. Perfection is the worst goal for human vessels, as human vessels were never designed to be perfect. They were designed to teach us about life, certainly...but that's all they are. The ability to experience, to personally witness all that life has to offer. To explore the complete range of sensation and emotion. The learn about all the meanings of existence.

Learn from yourself. Learn from your life. Throw the Bible away. It likes to box in ideas and prevent them from evolving. Your spirituality is personal to you, not a kind of art you can memorize from a set of instructions. Learn from yourself, and you will master yourself. It's really the place to start, considering you can only prove you are real, and even then, only to yourself.

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Learn from yourself. Learn from your life.

Why ? I mean from your own perspective, what use would it be to learn from yourself and your life ? To what good would life's lessons be if life just ends ? What's the difference if one spends their life absorbing knowledge or on a psychedelic sex quest ?

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Why ? I mean from your own perspective, what use would it be to learn from yourself and your life ? To what good would life's lessons be if life just ends ? What's the difference if one spends their life absorbing knowledge or on a psychedelic sex quest ?

I have an open mind in regards to reincarnation. But if life really does end...well, guess you better get to living, huh?

reply to post by AfterInfinity

But if life really does end...well, guess you better get to living, huh?

Why start now ? What will be the difference in forty years?

reply to post by randyvs

Why start now ? What will be the difference in forty years?

How happy you are with what you've done. Just because you don't see meaning in your life, doesn't mean you should degrade the value in others. Give everyone you know and love the best chance to be happy in their lives.

reply to post by AfterInfinity
You seem to be implying that your god is a god of war and destruction...genius!

If you read carefully, i was implying that warmongers, politicians, soldiers, mad scientists and terrorists are creating WW3 by working for Lucifer's minions.

YHWH has simply let lose the dogs of war. Everyone that works with these idiots will go to hell.

Everyone now has a choice. They can either choose Jesus and be saved or work for the Mammon.

Hey, maybe Lucifer is doing a cleanup job for YHWH.

Lucifer's mission is Operation Cleanup where he will drag all evil to Sheol. Because after the 7 Year Tribulation that is exactly what he is programmed to do. And he calls himself a rebel, hahahahahaha.

reply to post by AfterInfinity

Post whatever you like. It does not change the truth of God's Word. "The Fool has said in his heart, there is no God."

You don't want to believe there is a one true God, that is your business. I, on the other hand do. I love God, Jehovah because He loved me and sent His Son Jesus Christ to die for me so that my sins could be forgiven and that God gave me eternal life through the death, burial and resurrection of The Lord Jesus Christ.

Again, believe what you want. I believe that God, Jehovah is the creator of the heavens and the earth. And, I give him all the praise and honor due Him.

God is just a word to define the unknown , the infinite. That aspect of reality that we can never understand using reasoning and logic, but can experience. That state of mind when "I" doesn't exist.

Originally posted by BeingPure
God is just a word to define the unknown , the infinite. That aspect of reality that we can never understand using reasoning and logic, but can experience. That state of mind when "I" doesn't exist.

It's pretty hard to understand what created everything when we are moving further away from that original point every second. We will never get back to that point either.. As much as we try, we will never outrun the universe, we can barely get out of our Solar System with technology

Originally posted by BeingPure
God is just a word to define the unknown , the infinite. That aspect of reality that we can never understand using reasoning and logic, but can experience. That state of mind when "I" doesn't exist.

I think, we cannot grasp God as a whole with our mind, otherwise we could overpower Him. But this is just natural. No need for a conspiracy to this. There are aspects we can understand but never the complete issue. We could alter God that way, we could but there isn't any need of that either way for he's always good. Let us think of it as the rest he gave us for that matter. He'll do these things for us. Satan is so close here spreading a lie about God.

He's always so desceptive. No biggy.

Don't try to attain God's work. Although noone really intently tried this, but things can get so unwillingly bizar. Satan's almost killing me.

reply to post by Angle


"The me that I am is not the me that I know but the wherewith and whereby the me is known, but if this me that is the wherewith and whereby is not anything that i know then it is no thing - nothing - Click. Sluice gates open." R.D Laing the great scottish psychoanalyst and creator of the field of social phenomenology.

From the perspective of the universe being what is real and exists by contrast it makes God as nothingness, God is nothingness. But nothingness is not what we think it is, it is actually everythingness. It is not an individual thing, but it is every thing, it is the source and the fact..

I'm with you mate

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Thx for clarifying my post, I didn't know what I wrote.

Yes, the mind cannot grasp it, so it is nothing. But just because it is nothing for the mind, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. What is outside of the mind. The term 'live outside of the box' comes to mind but probably has got nothing to do with it. Maybe the heart is able to comprehend. There I said it, what the mind is not capable of, the heart will yet be.

So living outside of the box means living from the heart.

I want three applauses for my contribution for this thread, nananananana.

As coming from the least religious country in the world, less than 10%-people and most of them are either very old people or immigrants (I personally have never met a person from this nation who is religious), I can say I am also atheist.

No offense to anyone, but I do not believe in the sacredom of Bible, in Christ or in any other religion. I believe these are simply used for getting masses under control and are man-created looking how they were initially used. At first I believe people simply created the gods because they could not understand the world. Bringing in God is simply one of the most fool-proof answers to anything.

Back to point, to be able to change something, gods were created. The leaders could not say they could do nothing against heat waves or much other natural things, so Sun Gods and gods for every natural thing were created simply to control more people. If sun destroyed the crops, then people had done something wrong to insult gods, easy way to hold control over large numbers of people and make them work harder and obey to authority because god had chosen him.

People often can not accept that things are random and believing in something can explain all the random things and things we cannot change or understand. "God wanted it to be like that" It is too hard for us to accept that when we die, there might be nothing. Our current life might not affect anything afterwards.

The thing is, there are so many religions and Gods created, temples and churches are built for all of them, and most of them claim some kind of heaven/hell. Although what will happen other religions? Religions which are much older than the Christian, are often considered not "real religions"? It simply does not make sense for me. Are all the people who lived before Christ in hell because they did not believe in the real god, but into Zeus, Ra or Odin?

I am not saying there might not be some higher power, although I believe any religion on Earth is simply a moral codex, nothing more.

I did not mean to offend anyone. I just stated my opinion as an atheist and explained the reasonw why I believe in atheism.

maybe not .. but a creator does !