LA TIMES: Illegal Immigration Can Reduce Global Warming

The Los Angeles Times ran a Thursday editorial by Middlebury College Professor Bill McKibben arguing that allowing millions of illegal immigrants into America will reduce global warming.

Here is this nut's argument -

McKibben says that while the average American has a larger carbon footprint than a person living in the developing world, bringing more immigrants to America would likely reduce their tendency to have higher birthrates, thereby creating less carbon-producing people.

www.breitbart.com...

Not sure about his reasoning. I could be wrong but I believe the vast majority of Mexicans crossing the border are Catholic. Catholic's aren't so keen on birth control.

Probably a mute point anyway, it appears now that all illegal immigrants will be grandfathered into American citizenship, further watering down the job pool.

Planned destruction.

FORWARD....

Wow.. to the editorial writer of that piece I must say...





Really. :shk:

Talk about mental gymnastics worthy of olympic gold medals in connecting TOTALLY unrelated issues to try and link sympathetic reaction. WOW. Losing positions are normally the ones who grasp for the totally outrageous and laughably impossible. This isn't far from that extreme, IMO. Good Catch! Insanity like this has to be read to be believed.

Originally posted by Signals

Here is this nut's argument -

McKibben says that while the average American has a larger carbon footprint than a person living in the developing world, bringing more immigrants to America would likely reduce their tendency to have higher birthrates, thereby creating less carbon-producing people.

www.breitbart.com...

Is this the depths that the chattering class have been forced to plum to argue for mass immigration and to keep the global warming bandwagon going?

Well following his logic if the government force sterilized all the illegals that would lower carbon footprint ie global warming. I wonder if he would be in favor of that. Heck if he jumped off a tall building he would be doing his own little part of reducing his carbon footprint by ceasing to be. In fact I would take these global warming scare mongers more seriously if they practiced what they preached and took themselves out there by doing their part.

The logic in the LA Times article is definitely a little skewed.

Here's a couple of extracts from it.

It's true that the typical person from a developing nation would produce more carbon once she adopted an American lifestyle, but she also probably would have fewer children.

The future beckons them, and so changes of the kind we'll need to deal with climate change are easier to conceive.

Immigration reform -- for the climate

The article is only talking about Hispanics, not immigrants in general.

It's true they are very industrious and having less kids may be a good thing.

It is not however going to magically solve the problem of Climate Change.

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Yep. Just like advocating amnesty for illegals with the clause that they can't vote for 10 years shuts down the Liberals on it.

The La Raza Times just published this guys piece because it reinforces their belief that hispanics should be rushed into the US and the reasons why don't matter.


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How shocking that Breitbart spun it the way it did. Seriously guys?


As someone pointed out it's not about illegal immigration but about immigration reform. The authors reasoning is that women who emigrate here feel less pressure to have more children and that 77% of Latino voters believe climate change is already happening versus 52% of white voters. The editorial also goes into why that may be such as living closer to poverty often means living closer to pollution, resulting in negative health effects.

I don't know how that breitard managed to read that article and pull what he did out of his ass but that's surely where his take on it comes from. Read the article, whether you agree with immigration reform or AGW or neither, you can clearly see that author was not being a simplistic moron by suggesting illegal immigration will reduce global warming.

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Wow. On ATS we get to see many examples of wierd reasoning by the psyops media team, but I have to admit I never thought I'd see immigration used as a positive measure against global warming.

Why don't we just stop eating ice cream? Surely that will save the ice caps and the polar bears

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It is about both types of immigration.

The author of the piece is also suggesting that making illegals who are already in the US legal will have a beneficial effect on alleged global warming.

From the source article:

allowing millions to step out of the shadows and on to a broad path toward citizenship. It will help, not hurt, our environmental efforts, and potentially in deep and powerful ways.

So she is also arguing that making illegal aliens legal will help the planet. It' a nonsense piece that can be torn apart easily by anyone with critical thinking skills who isn't suffering from cognitive dissonance.

What Breitbart did was higlight one particularly shady part of her argument. What's wrong with that?

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If latino illegals become legal, it stands to reason there would be stronger voter support for addressing climate change. It might be a strange point to make but it seems valid to me. Claiming the author is stating that illegal immigration can reduce global warming, is an absurdly sensationalist take on the authors opinion.

Originally posted by Kali74
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If latino illegals become legal, it stands to reason there would be stronger voter support for addressing climate change. It might be a strange point to make but it seems valid to me. Claiming the author is stating that illegal immigration can reduce global warming, is an absurdly sensationalist take on the authors opinion.

it is an utterly ridiculous point to make, completely and utterly- who knows how latinos will vote, view things in the future, who knows if it will have any effect on the climate..............no, just rewind, just take that in, he thinks this could affect the global climate


buwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

People who make arguments have no idea the toll Mexicans place on this country, no idea at all.

They found a house in Fontana so cal last year filled with illegal women, many with broken limbs and gangrene that had been used as sex slaves for up to 8 years. 5 years ago a house was raided near me and they found a million cash and 44 kilos of coke which led them to a guy in Norco with no job in a 4 million dollar home he paid cash for.

None of this was in the local papers, or any paper that I am aware of.

As a resident of this state for 35 years and someone who used to bring used clothing and money to mexico every year I can only say these people need to help themselves - not be allowed to escape there own doing here.

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These Liberal "intellectuals" (I use the word loosely here) are NWO shills used to sell the NWO ideas of open borders and the Carbon Tax (a NWO banking scam that does nothing to fix the ecology of the planet -- but ensures they will make billions from corporations selling "carbon measuring devices" and taxing "First World" nations).

These are the same NWO banksters behind our Federal Reserve and the legal rape of EU member nations.

After the US Dollar collapses, the IMF will present the only solution: a new currency and the uniting with Mexico & Canada into a new borderless "North American Community." Communitarianism -- the NWO buzzword.

We just have to sign away our national sovereignty. We are told that national sovereignty is an outmoded concept, like the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights are "outdated" documents.

You can see some here on ATS have eaten up all the NWO propaganda they've been fed in school.

The environmental whackos are at it again. Let's have a look at the impact of the illegals on the Sonoran Desert...

The beauty and majesty of the Sonoran Desert is something that can take your breath away. Now you might want to hold your breath... The picture above is on an "illegal super-highway', from Mexico to the USA(Tucson) used by human smugglers. It's located in a wash, approximately 1.5 miles long, just south of Tucson, Arizona. The people who took the picture moved down the wash, expecting it to get better, but in fact, it got much worse, if that's possible. If a flood came, all of the trash would be washed into the river, and then into the sea. It is estimated over 3,000 discarded backpacks are in this wash. There are also countless water containers, food wrappers, clothing, feces, including thousands of soiled baby diapers. Fresh footprints can allways be found leading into it. The Sonoran Desert is being turned into a toxic land fill. This is more than an "immigration" issue. It's an environmental disaster. Think about it... how would you react if somebody was trashing your state, and being defended by environmental activists and liberals, and then, when you pass legislation to try to improve the situation, the same people endorse a boycott of your state.

If Greenpeace and groups like it were serious about the environment, maybe they can go south and pick up trash (I hear that they estimate between 3 and 5 million tons of garbage dumped by illegals in AZ alone). Where is the "green" outrage over this level of pollution?