Depravity Of The Vatican

Originally posted by charles1952
Here I'm confused. The Church was built on Jesus, Peter, the other Apostles, the Martyrs, and the Bible. Where is the "evil" that you're speaking of?

It's easy to become unconfused when you understand that the Roman Catholic Church was not built on Jesus. The Roman Church was built on Peter and the apostles' own, homo-socialist agenda. This is an agenda to get those who occupy bodies not of their own through the gates to heaven. It's an agenda to break the rules of Ascension.

When Jesus said you have to be reborn, he did not mean have water poured over your head by some paedophile cleric. He meant you're not getting into heaven unless your spirit initiated development, in the womb, of the body your spirit today occupies. If you stole the body you occupy, there is nothing you can do to get into paradise other than vacate that body and legitimise yourself by being reborn. In short, if you're illegitimate, or bad, you're not getting in.

Originally posted by windword
reply to post by ParovStelar

 

Good job on your presentation, and welcome to ATS. Although this is new information to me, it doesn't surprise me in the least. I'm sure there is much more of this kind of history to uncover.Do you have any links to this information, so that we can research this stuff further?

This is an awful presentation and a scurrilous attack our the good name of the Church. The reason the OP posted no links is because its all copied and altered WIKIPEDIA TRASH.

BTW - Alexander VI (along with a few others) has always been described by knowing Catholics, and by the Church as well, as the worst of popes.

Anyone here who credits the OP with a job well done knows nothing of history and surely nothing of the papal history of the Catholic Church.

Threads such as this are shining examples of the manner in which ATS give this sort of slime a pass while banning, deleting and generally censoring threads that speak to the truth - such as everything from exposure of the false flag know as 9/11 to the fraud that is Sandy Hook, to cite just a few examples. Shame on you.

reply to post by POXUSA


No-one here is tarnishing the churches image, they do a good job of doing it themselves especially when the very book they supposedly base your faith off says that what they do is against the teachings of Christ in the first place.

Originally posted by Trafalgar1805

Originally posted by charles1952
Here I'm confused. The Church was built on Jesus, Peter, the other Apostles, the Martyrs, and the Bible. Where is the "evil" that you're speaking of?

It's easy to become unconfused when you understand that the Roman Catholic Church was not built on Jesus. The Roman Church was built on Peter and the apostles' own, homo-socialist agenda. This is an agenda to get those who occupy bodies not of their own through the gates to heaven. It's an agenda to break the rules of Ascension.

When Jesus said you have to be reborn, he did not mean have water poured over your head by some paedophile cleric. He meant you're not getting into heaven unless your spirit initiated development, in the womb, of the body your spirit today occupies. If you stole the body you occupy, there is nothing you can do to get into paradise other than vacate that body and legitimise yourself by being reborn. In short, if you're illegitimate, or bad, you're not getting in.

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Sounds like L Ron Hubbard - This is taken from a page of the "Book of Scientology" - right?

Originally posted by POXUSA

Originally posted by Trafalgar1805

Originally posted by charles1952
Here I'm confused. The Church was built on Jesus, Peter, the other Apostles, the Martyrs, and the Bible. Where is the "evil" that you're speaking of?

It's easy to become unconfused when you understand that the Roman Catholic Church was not built on Jesus. The Roman Church was built on Peter and the apostles' own, homo-socialist agenda. This is an agenda to get those who occupy bodies not of their own through the gates to heaven. It's an agenda to break the rules of Ascension.

When Jesus said you have to be reborn, he did not mean have water poured over your head by some paedophile cleric. He meant you're not getting into heaven unless your spirit initiated development, in the womb, of the body your spirit today occupies. If you stole the body you occupy, there is nothing you can do to get into paradise other than vacate that body and legitimise yourself by being reborn. In short, if you're illegitimate, or bad, you're not getting in.

edit on 23-3-2013 by Trafalgar1805 because: (no reason given)

Sounds like L Ron Hubbard - This is taken from a page of the "Book of Scientology" - right?

edit on 23-3-2013 by POXUSA because: DEFENDER OF THE FAITH

This is not produced from a book, internet or whoever Hubbard is.

Originally posted by Trafalgar1805
This is not produced from a book, internet or whoever Hubbard is.

Then could it have been taken from Joseph Smith and the "Cult of Mormon"? Hubbard and Smith were notorious pedophiles too and also pretended to be "priests."

reply to post by adjensen


Your either with the Pedophiles or against them!

Galatians 5:9 (KJV)
A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

A small number of bad popes leaveneth the whole lump.

Obviously the ones here preaching how good the Popes are have not had a son traumatized by their pedophilia.

The ones preaching how good they are hopeful and I get that.

I personally do not like to set someone such as a Pope or Minister up on a pedestal as they are no representative of God or Jesus for that matter. They are humanly flawed and the catholic church is nothing but sinister in my opinion. They have shown what they are made of since the beginning and I for one will never except their Holier than thou rhetoric.

This Pope may get the world behind him, but not me. I don't care if I am the last one standing and they crucify me. I will not bow down to the likes of their worship.

Originally posted by DarknStormy
reply to post by adjensen

 

And what are the positive things they have done?

Oh, I don't know... though Catholics invented:

1. The modern system of higher education
2. Hospitals and modern medicine
3. Numerous scientific disciplines
4. the Western system of law

They were the predominant patrons for the arts for about a thousand years, did most of the scientific exploring during the Age of Exploration and for Christians, were the sole "keeper of the faith and scripture" for 1,000 years, then sharing it for 500 with the Eastern Orthodox church before Christianity splintered into thousands of conflicting denominations during the Reformation 500 years ago.

The Catholic Church is one of the largest charitable services organizations in the world. In 2008, Catholic Charities USA spent almost four billion (with a "B") dollars on charitable services.

Maybe I just don't understand what you mean by "positive things", eh?

Originally posted by DrunkYogi
reply to post by adjensen

 

Your either with the Pedophiles or against them!

When did I promote pedophilia? Where is pedophilia listed as acceptable behaviour in the Catholic Catechism?

There are real problems in the Catholic Church which must be addressed, but they are not addressed by criticizing Popes who have been dead for a thousand years and implying that everyone associated with the church is at fault because of past sins.

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by DrunkYogi
reply to post by adjensen

 

Your either with the Pedophiles or against them!

When did I promote pedophilia? Where is pedophilia listed as acceptable behaviour in the Catholic Catechism?

There are real problems in the Catholic Church which must be addressed, but they are not addressed by criticizing Popes who have been dead for a thousand years and implying that everyone associated with the church is at fault because of past sins.

Let's make no mistake here, The Vatican is a den of Pedophiles. This is known. You either deny or accept this, denying this is covering up the fact's. If you turn a blind eye you are a massive part of the problem. Turning a blind eye, to me, is giving these monster's your consensus. Most people know what they are!!! There will be no hiding the fact's. Shame on those who turn a blind eye, absolute shame. It's not a matter of people waking up, it's a time of admission, nothing more nothing less. Pretending something isn't there does not make it go away. It will only make it worse. God........I believe in Jesus but not the Vatican. You must see the difference, they are anti-Jesus.......Anti-Christ. Take your Ego and give it a shake, a slap, a mirror.

reply to post by Aleister

Dear Aleister,

I'd really like to have some evidence supporting your statements as they seem definitely incorrect.

They were full out wars on nations and humanity for control of the world.

Hardly. The Crusades were to regain the territory that the Muslims took. There was no intent to go beyond simply returning to the way things were. Do you think the Inquisition was a full out war for control of the world? Perhaps you're thinking of something I've never heard of. The Inquisition had nothing to do with territory and, while people died over the hundreds of years the Inquisition existed, the number was smaller than one good-sized battle produced.

Then you have the war on women, who, if they got out of line or spoke up, were called witches and dealt with.

If your thinking about Salem etc., Are you sure those were Catholics?

You seem to be describing a Church that didn't exist, but if I'm misunderstanding you, please try again.

With respect,
Charles1952

Originally posted by DrunkYogi

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by DrunkYogi
reply to post by adjensen

 

Your either with the Pedophiles or against them!

When did I promote pedophilia? Where is pedophilia listed as acceptable behaviour in the Catholic Catechism?

There are real problems in the Catholic Church which must be addressed, but they are not addressed by criticizing Popes who have been dead for a thousand years and implying that everyone associated with the church is at fault because of past sins.

Let's make no mistake here, The Vatican is a den of Pedophiles.

The world is a den of pedophiles.

Show me again where I have ever sided with pedophiles on the subject of pedophilia. I can point to numerous places where I have said exactly the opposite, including the post that you quoted above.

And when you're done with that, explain how whining about the behaviours of Popes dead a thousand years in any way improves the situation today.

reply to post by charles1952

Hardly. The Crusades were to regain the territory that the Muslims took. There was no intent to go beyond simply returning to the way things were. Do you think the Inquisition was a full out war for control of the world?

charles1952?

You are a great guy, but what you posted there is one of the most bizarre apologias for any crusade that I have ever read.

You present the case as though any of the crusades were some kind of controlled application of military force, when, in fact, they were a hardly controlled mob.

And then adding up the victims of the inquisition, bunching them together, and saying that they, in total, amount to no more than had been killed in any war. charles1952? what about the social war of attrition that allowed the inquisition to take place to begin with?

Anyhow, you often have quite a bit to add, but that post was lacking much.

Originally posted by POXUSA

Originally posted by Trafalgar1805
This is not produced from a book, internet or whoever Hubbard is.

Then could it have been taken from Joseph Smith and the "Cult of Mormon"? Hubbard and Smith were notorious pedophiles too and also pretended to be "priests."

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I don't know anything of what/who you write about.

I do not belong to any religion, society, or nation. I am an individual who has been repeatedly harrassed/framed/blackmailed by the Roman Church and its homosexual mafia for 43 years. They demand that I be locked into the Catholic Church by becoming a priest. It is evidently imperative to them that I become a priest, but I will have nothing to do with them.

I write from personal experience and make logical conclusions.

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by DrunkYogi

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by DrunkYogi
reply to post by adjensen

 

Your either with the Pedophiles or against them!

When did I promote pedophilia? Where is pedophilia listed as acceptable behaviour in the Catholic Catechism?

There are real problems in the Catholic Church which must be addressed, but they are not addressed by criticizing Popes who have been dead for a thousand years and implying that everyone associated with the church is at fault because of past sins.

Let's make no mistake here, The Vatican is a den of Pedophiles.

The world is a den of pedophiles.

Show me again where I have ever sided with pedophiles on the subject of pedophilia. I can point to numerous places where I have said exactly the opposite, including the post that you quoted above.

And when you're done with that, explain how whining about the behaviours of Popes dead a thousand years in any way improves the situation today.

The World is not a den of Pedophiles, where do you get that nonsense?

We do not need to look at dead Pope's from a thousand years ago. Ratzinger is guilty of covering up pedophilia and there is evidence that the latest beast was in full co-operation with the military Junta in Argentina.

I will ask you one question. Do you support the Vatican?

Originally posted by DrunkYogi

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by DrunkYogi

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by DrunkYogi
reply to post by adjensen

 

Your either with the Pedophiles or against them!

When did I promote pedophilia? Where is pedophilia listed as acceptable behaviour in the Catholic Catechism?

There are real problems in the Catholic Church which must be addressed, but they are not addressed by criticizing Popes who have been dead for a thousand years and implying that everyone associated with the church is at fault because of past sins.

Let's make no mistake here, The Vatican is a den of Pedophiles.

The world is a den of pedophiles.

Show me again where I have ever sided with pedophiles on the subject of pedophilia. I can point to numerous places where I have said exactly the opposite, including the post that you quoted above.

And when you're done with that, explain how whining about the behaviours of Popes dead a thousand years in any way improves the situation today.

The World is not a den of Pedophiles, where do you get that nonsense?

Um... from reality.

What is a pedophile?

It's an adult with a sexual preference for prepubescent children (typically 13 or under) of either sex, though some prefer one gender. The term can be used to describe anyone who fantasizes about, is sexually aroused by, or experiences urges toward children, whether or not they act on them. Most psychologists believe that people with pedophilia will eventually act on it in some way — by exposing themselves to, spying on, or sexually touching children. About 4 percent of the population is believed to have pedophilic urges. (Source, underlining is mine)

Four percent of the US population is 12 million people. Do you think that there are 12 million priests in the United States?

The John Jay Report on Sexual Abuse of Minors by Catholic Priests and Deacons in the United States found 10,667 allegations against 4,392 priests in the years 1950-2002. Take a guess what percent 4,392 priests is out of the general population of American priests? If you didn't guess 4 percent, you're wrong.

So, if the percent of pedophiles in the Catholic clergy is inline with the general population, that leaves a lot of pedophiles out in the world that have nothing to do with the Catholic church... along the lines of 11.9 million people.

I will ask you one question. Do you support the Vatican?

Not blindly, no, and it would depend on the issue.

reply to post by adjensen


"About 4 percent of the population is believed to have pedophilic urges"
Believed to have? If i believed the Moon was made of Cheese would it be?
Was this a Scientific study?

And 4% wouldn't make the World a den of Pedo's. You know, two wrong's don't make a right!!!

The John Jay Report on Sexual Abuse of Minors by Catholic Priests and Deacons in the United States found 10,667 allegations against 4,392 priests in the years 1950-2002. Take a guess what percent 4,392 priests is out of the general population of American priests? If you didn't guess 4 percent, you're wrong.

This would have been the known one's. You know as in Caught Red Handed.

Do you think the Pope is infallible?

You know... the depictions you have made of the popes and the church could have been from anyone in power, any king, queen, dictator or chieftain of the past 10 thousand years...

But yes, the Church gives views and creates headlines - I get that.

Second, Pope Paul III didnt create the Jesuits. He "allowed" so to speak, for such orders to flourish... its different.