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Christian prophecy reveals the antichrist beast of Revelation 13 and 17
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reply to post by JesuitGarlic
I have come to enjoy your replies, did the Bible not say that in the end days a select would be given the pwoer of discernment? I can honestly and openly say I believe I have had my eyes and ears opened in a manner inwhich I have never had before. This has caused some pain in my life, my daughter has/had a church which I helped her build in Atlanta after my "enlightenment" came to be I found the people she was involved with were not people of God's work but false prophets, after a period of time my daughter fully understood what has happened and it has broke her heart. Tha is a different story but my point being scriptually this awakening will prepare some to truly see what is happening clear as day, the word is truly revealed and the beast,a/c etc will be plain as day.
IMHO God has always intended his select to understand his word fully, at the proper time and place per His plan.
One last comment, I have had this inner feeling since the resignation of the pope that the next pope was a lamb to be slaughtered. This new pope on face value seems to be a decent humble man, is he perhaps or his murder the act that destroy's the church? I am not a prophet or perhaps do not want to publically claim anything but is this the man and by his virtues, his humble life as reported and a half a million latin followers be the end of the church by his death which I believe will be caused/commited by the church itself. I have no evidence to support my feelings, but it is a message that has been given to me. Just a thought.
I have come to enjoy your replies, did the Bible not say that in the end days a select would be given the pwoer of discernment? I can honestly and openly say I believe I have had my eyes and ears opened in a manner inwhich I have never had before. This has caused some pain in my life, my daughter has/had a church which I helped her build in Atlanta after my "enlightenment" came to be I found the people she was involved with were not people of God's work but false prophets, after a period of time my daughter fully understood what has happened and it has broke her heart. Tha is a different story but my point being scriptually this awakening will prepare some to truly see what is happening clear as day, the word is truly revealed and the beast,a/c etc will be plain as day.
IMHO God has always intended his select to understand his word fully, at the proper time and place per His plan.
One last comment, I have had this inner feeling since the resignation of the pope that the next pope was a lamb to be slaughtered. This new pope on face value seems to be a decent humble man, is he perhaps or his murder the act that destroy's the church? I am not a prophet or perhaps do not want to publically claim anything but is this the man and by his virtues, his humble life as reported and a half a million latin followers be the end of the church by his death which I believe will be caused/commited by the church itself. I have no evidence to support my feelings, but it is a message that has been given to me. Just a thought.
reply to post by rickymouse
The church is where you give your gifts to God and to learn and study the word of God, no master is greater than his servant and Christ made them fish for people and if you know fish they are never in the same spot for long. Follow in the footsteps of Christ, and God has sent out warnings to the elect to warn the people who have strayed without knowing it.
The catholic church has strayed and has become a haven for the dark and it's those who are unaware that I feel sorry for the most and we must open the eye's blinded by wrong traditions, the old have hardened their hearts to the point they will not listen to the words of those who warn. Most people don't know the pagan roots of the church and it's hidden in plain sight, following a man and waiting as if he had died for you on the cross.
Would you deny Christ for government or any power on this planet and would you walk away if it was Christ telling you to tell the people the wrongs in the church. Always on your guard my friend and it's those who corrupt the word and those who follow knowingly that will have to face Christ in the end.
These words are not scary, whats scary is not knowing the deceptions, because the dark can appear as light and light as dark. These are warnings and not to frighten you into submission, but to guide you from the hands of death and free you from all deceptions. Religion is not God but far from it, you have seen God in those you love and hate, the trees,water,birds,the universe and everything he has created and yes even Satan. It's the material things people hold on to and give in to pride and envy, all that is from the dark is what people like today.
Martial arts,victory through war and sport are all ways of the dark and lead to pride and envy, Christ never said use Gods name in battle and he will help you win. Those are things of the dark and mask it in good intentions and I have family that went to war to fight for freedom by taking lives.
"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. (NIV, Matthew 5:38-45)
As soon as Constantine switched the sabbath to Sunday and all his pagan roots came with him and with him he allowed Satan to creep in and has been in the church since then. He used man to become God in the eye's of the followers and they conspired to use one of his fallen angels to play the part of Mary and convince the church to practice necromancy.
Deuteronomy 18:9-12 ESV
“When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you.
Mary did her duty to bring the Christ into this world, but that's where it stops and she cant come between God and Christ and we know that cause Christ said it. Notice she only gives warning of the darkness of the catholic church and how apostasy has entered the church and of course it takes one to know one. Satan will sacrifice the catholic church and humiliate her so that anyone who wants to join a church would dare not because of the things Satan will bring to false light. All that followed in the footsteps of the catholic church will feel the same humiliation.
He will do away with religion by creating a universal conscious to God and eliminating Christ in the process and of course God will not forget about his people, when his outpouring of love goes to the elect and makes them like Christ and this is when Satan realizes he has lost dominion of the earth. Dark times ahead for the unknowing and terrible trials for the believers and serious wake up call for those on the fence.
The church is where you give your gifts to God and to learn and study the word of God, no master is greater than his servant and Christ made them fish for people and if you know fish they are never in the same spot for long. Follow in the footsteps of Christ, and God has sent out warnings to the elect to warn the people who have strayed without knowing it.
The catholic church has strayed and has become a haven for the dark and it's those who are unaware that I feel sorry for the most and we must open the eye's blinded by wrong traditions, the old have hardened their hearts to the point they will not listen to the words of those who warn. Most people don't know the pagan roots of the church and it's hidden in plain sight, following a man and waiting as if he had died for you on the cross.
Would you deny Christ for government or any power on this planet and would you walk away if it was Christ telling you to tell the people the wrongs in the church. Always on your guard my friend and it's those who corrupt the word and those who follow knowingly that will have to face Christ in the end.
These words are not scary, whats scary is not knowing the deceptions, because the dark can appear as light and light as dark. These are warnings and not to frighten you into submission, but to guide you from the hands of death and free you from all deceptions. Religion is not God but far from it, you have seen God in those you love and hate, the trees,water,birds,the universe and everything he has created and yes even Satan. It's the material things people hold on to and give in to pride and envy, all that is from the dark is what people like today.
Martial arts,victory through war and sport are all ways of the dark and lead to pride and envy, Christ never said use Gods name in battle and he will help you win. Those are things of the dark and mask it in good intentions and I have family that went to war to fight for freedom by taking lives.
"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. (NIV, Matthew 5:38-45)
As soon as Constantine switched the sabbath to Sunday and all his pagan roots came with him and with him he allowed Satan to creep in and has been in the church since then. He used man to become God in the eye's of the followers and they conspired to use one of his fallen angels to play the part of Mary and convince the church to practice necromancy.
Deuteronomy 18:9-12 ESV
“When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you.
Mary did her duty to bring the Christ into this world, but that's where it stops and she cant come between God and Christ and we know that cause Christ said it. Notice she only gives warning of the darkness of the catholic church and how apostasy has entered the church and of course it takes one to know one. Satan will sacrifice the catholic church and humiliate her so that anyone who wants to join a church would dare not because of the things Satan will bring to false light. All that followed in the footsteps of the catholic church will feel the same humiliation.
He will do away with religion by creating a universal conscious to God and eliminating Christ in the process and of course God will not forget about his people, when his outpouring of love goes to the elect and makes them like Christ and this is when Satan realizes he has lost dominion of the earth. Dark times ahead for the unknowing and terrible trials for the believers and serious wake up call for those on the fence.
Lateralus by Tool
The Fibonacci Sequence.
The Fibbin Nazi
Pope Benedict
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The Lateran Treaty
This man refused to correct his church's fallacy of forbidding marriage among it's priests. The Bible commands marriage and family. "Be fruitful and multiply". The Bible even advises bishops on how to engage in marriage and be perfect by being "a husband of one wife".
This church and the Mormons share a common inability to read scripture and apply it to their belief system.
reply to post by JesuitGarlic
I'm going to go and try to find your assessment but let me ask you this - don't you think Jesus said (somewhere) to believe in Him and you would have your eyes open to the antichrist? Revelations gives tons of clues to tell us when we are getting close to his emergence onto the scene but stops short. Didn't Jesus say to believe in Him and have bliss in the afterlife (so,etching like this)? We will "never" know because it is a way for God to bring us to Jesus. If we knew we would not need him now would we? I think we should focus on where we are in prophecy to see how close we are to his coming into power rather than exact identity. When all Christ believing souls get an "ah ha" moment then it can be shared perhaps to see if Christ gives all believers the gift of knowing.
I'm going to go and try to find your assessment but let me ask you this - don't you think Jesus said (somewhere) to believe in Him and you would have your eyes open to the antichrist? Revelations gives tons of clues to tell us when we are getting close to his emergence onto the scene but stops short. Didn't Jesus say to believe in Him and have bliss in the afterlife (so,etching like this)? We will "never" know because it is a way for God to bring us to Jesus. If we knew we would not need him now would we? I think we should focus on where we are in prophecy to see how close we are to his coming into power rather than exact identity. When all Christ believing souls get an "ah ha" moment then it can be shared perhaps to see if Christ gives all believers the gift of knowing.
Originally posted by GeneralMishka
Im sorry to ruin this for everyone, but the correct translation is 'mountains' not 'hills.'
King James Version
Revelation 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
And Jerusalem has seven mountains.
never mind
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reply to post by GeneralMishka
Let's breakdown the words 'mountains', 'woman', 'sitteth', 'wine of abomination' and 'mother of harlots'
What does the Bible associate a woman with in earlier scripture...
We see this 'woman', God's anointed 'daughter of Zion' is not contained to a city (fixed location) as an order is given for her to 'go forth out of the city'...in this case of symbolism this 'daughter' associated with being of God resembles a group of faithful people.
Daughter of Zion = the holy people, the redeemed of the LORD or a city not forsaken
Talking about this anointed woman of God again, this 'Daughter of Zion/Jerusalem', Zephaniah likens this to a faithful remnant group of people that are saved in their LORD.
The references I have presented suggest a faithful remnant group of people with some possibility of a non-specific city association as well.
In Revelation 12 we read about a designated woman of God. We see in verses 4 and 5 that this woman bears a child we would recognize to be Jesus. We see her have to flee into the wilderness (go into hiding or under official State oppression) for this 1260 prophetic day period (v.6). In verse 13, the next mention of the woman, we see that she is being persecuted by the dragon now but when she flees to the wilderness for 'time, times and a half' (v.14) that she is taken care of. The offspring of the woman are described as 'who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus' (v.17).
So what do we learn about the faithful women of Revelation, the counterpoint to the whore of Babylon?
Jesus is born from in among His faithful people (Mary and Joseph). The city he was born in, Bethlehem, is of no significance to the woman's attributes in this instance. Future faithful people are described as keeping the commandments and having the testimony of Jesus (where the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy Rev. 19:10)
So the counterpart woman of Revelation 17, the one that is unfaithful would be described or best associated with a group of people that have doctrines (wine) not inline with God's teachings and Law, possibly coming from a non-descript city. A reasonable assessment.
To me that sounds like a Christian church denomination, and seeing that it is called a 'Mother of Harlots' we should look to find a church that consider themselves a mother not a daughter, and one that has spurned many false daughter denominations as well.
And fulfilling her role as the Mother from which other churches that also spout much of the RCC’s false teachings come from.
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Translated “mountains”, it is also ground rising above a plain or a hill.
While commonly translated as "sits" on 7 mountains (equally hills now) we see from the Greek word it can be translated as "resides by" or "sits by" or “remains by”
Thus putting it all together we have an unfaithful woman represented a particular group of people that are associated with God but have not been true to Him (this can be recognised as a false church and a particular false Christian church that recognises itself as a mother church and out of it many daughter churches have arisen, the “mother of harlots”, also spouting false teaching/doctrine). We also associate the “wine of abomination” in Rev. 17:2 with misrepresenting God’s true teaching.
We also see that this church/God following group can also be associated with a city and wherever that is it has to be residing near a place where there is 7 hills or mountains.
Here we have the location of the Vatican representing the location of church city state that is residing by the 7 hills of Rome and has been the source of false teaching throughout much of Christianity that has spun off from it.
Im sorry to ruin this for everyone, but the correct translation is 'mountains' not 'hills.' King James Version Revelation 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Let's breakdown the words 'mountains', 'woman', 'sitteth', 'wine of abomination' and 'mother of harlots'
What does the Bible associate a woman with in earlier scripture...
Micah 4:10 Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to Babylon; there shalt thou be delivered; there the LORD shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies.
We see this 'woman', God's anointed 'daughter of Zion' is not contained to a city (fixed location) as an order is given for her to 'go forth out of the city'...in this case of symbolism this 'daughter' associated with being of God resembles a group of faithful people.
Isaiah 62:11, 12 Behold, the LORD has proclaimed unto the ends of the earth, Say you to the daughter of Zion, Behold, your salvation comes; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him. And they shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of the LORD: and you shall be called, Sought out, A city not forsaken.
Daughter of Zion = the holy people, the redeemed of the LORD or a city not forsaken
Zephaniah 3:12-15 But I will leave within you the meek and humble, who trust in the name of the LORD. 13 The remnant of Israel will do no wrong; they will speak no lies, nor will deceit be found in their mouths. They will eat and lie down and no one will make them afraid."
14 Sing, O Daughter of Zion; shout aloud, O Israel! Be glad and rejoice with all your heart, O Daughter of Jerusalem! 15 The LORD has taken away your punishment, he has turned back your enemy. The LORD, the King of Israel, is with you; never again will you fear any harm
Talking about this anointed woman of God again, this 'Daughter of Zion/Jerusalem', Zephaniah likens this to a faithful remnant group of people that are saved in their LORD.
The references I have presented suggest a faithful remnant group of people with some possibility of a non-specific city association as well.
In Revelation 12 we read about a designated woman of God. We see in verses 4 and 5 that this woman bears a child we would recognize to be Jesus. We see her have to flee into the wilderness (go into hiding or under official State oppression) for this 1260 prophetic day period (v.6). In verse 13, the next mention of the woman, we see that she is being persecuted by the dragon now but when she flees to the wilderness for 'time, times and a half' (v.14) that she is taken care of. The offspring of the woman are described as 'who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus' (v.17).
So what do we learn about the faithful women of Revelation, the counterpoint to the whore of Babylon?
Jesus is born from in among His faithful people (Mary and Joseph). The city he was born in, Bethlehem, is of no significance to the woman's attributes in this instance. Future faithful people are described as keeping the commandments and having the testimony of Jesus (where the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy Rev. 19:10)
So the counterpart woman of Revelation 17, the one that is unfaithful would be described or best associated with a group of people that have doctrines (wine) not inline with God's teachings and Law, possibly coming from a non-descript city. A reasonable assessment.
To me that sounds like a Christian church denomination, and seeing that it is called a 'Mother of Harlots' we should look to find a church that consider themselves a mother not a daughter, and one that has spurned many false daughter denominations as well.
The term Mother Church has many meanings within Christianity. The principal definition in the Oxford English Dictionary (OED) is "The Church, esp. the Roman Catholic Church
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The Roman Catholic Church is thought by some to be the mother church of the Protestant and other churches that broke away from it over time.
wiki - Mother church
And fulfilling her role as the Mother from which other churches that also spout much of the RCC’s false teachings come from.
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Revelation 17:9 And here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sits.
Rev. 17:9 And here [5602] [is] the mind [3563] which [3588] hath [2192] [5723] wisdom [4678]. The seven [2033] heads [2776] are [1526] [5748] seven [2033] mountains [3735], on [1909] which [0846] the woman [1135] sitteth [2521] [5736] [3699] source
3735. ὄρος óros or'-os probably from an obsolete ὄρω órō (to rise or "rear"; perhaps akin to 142; compare 3733); a mountain (as lifting itself above the plain):--hill, mount(-ain).
Strong, James (2011-05-07). Strong's Greek Dictionary of the Bible (with beautiful Greek, transliteration, and superior navigation) (Strong's Dictionary) (Kindle Locations 6043-6045). Miklal Software Solutions, Inc.. Kindle Edition.
Translated “mountains”, it is also ground rising above a plain or a hill.
2521. κάθημαι káthēmai kath'-ay-mahee from 2596; and ἧμαι hēmai (to sit; akin to the base of 1476); to sit down; figuratively, to remain, reside:--dwell, sit (by, down).
Strong, James (2011-05-07). Strong's Greek Dictionary of the Bible (with beautiful Greek, transliteration, and superior navigation) (Strong's Dictionary) (Kindle Locations 4240-4243). Miklal Software Solutions, Inc.. Kindle Edition.
While commonly translated as "sits" on 7 mountains (equally hills now) we see from the Greek word it can be translated as "resides by" or "sits by" or “remains by”
3699. ὅπου hópou hop'-oo from 3739 and 4225; what(-ever) where, i.e. at whichever spot:--in what place, where(-as, -soever), whither (+ soever).
Strong, James (2011-05-07). Strong's Greek Dictionary of the Bible (with beautiful Greek, transliteration, and superior navigation) (Strong's Dictionary) (Kindle Locations 5978-5979). Miklal Software Solutions, Inc.. Kindle Edition.
Thus putting it all together we have an unfaithful woman represented a particular group of people that are associated with God but have not been true to Him (this can be recognised as a false church and a particular false Christian church that recognises itself as a mother church and out of it many daughter churches have arisen, the “mother of harlots”, also spouting false teaching/doctrine). We also associate the “wine of abomination” in Rev. 17:2 with misrepresenting God’s true teaching.
Proverbs 12:22 Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: But they that deal truly are his delight.
We also see that this church/God following group can also be associated with a city and wherever that is it has to be residing near a place where there is 7 hills or mountains.
Here we have the location of the Vatican representing the location of church city state that is residing by the 7 hills of Rome and has been the source of false teaching throughout much of Christianity that has spun off from it.
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reply to post by Wrabbit2000
My principle is to give very little respect to serial whingers who act like it is an honor for me to even have their ear for a minute, who I have to walk on egg shells around, that require an OP to have a red ribbon attached and sugar on top
I am so sad because I have not been able to grab your attention, I will cover myself in sackcloth and ashes...can I still be your foot stool?
I guess I'll just miss whatever it had to say. Call it the principle of the thing on weak and watery OP msgs following long videos.
My principle is to give very little respect to serial whingers who act like it is an honor for me to even have their ear for a minute, who I have to walk on egg shells around, that require an OP to have a red ribbon attached and sugar on top
I am so sad because I have not been able to grab your attention, I will cover myself in sackcloth and ashes...can I still be your foot stool?
reply to post by rickymouse
I don't deal in generalities, I deal in specifics....what scripture and source information has the film evidence misapplied so that I may answer you on. A personal opinion with no scriptural reference means nothing when it comes to prophecy understanding.
actually much of the non-christian world would probably be pleased to find out that what they thought Christianity represented, the Catholic church, is not only condemned by God but is condemned in such a way that shows the writers of the prophetic books of the Bible where actually receiving revelations from a supernatural being that is outside of time and knows the end from the beginning.
Any one wanting to be a die-hard catholic or a lukewarm Christian as the Tribulation period comes is as good as dead in Christ....as I will show
God’s mark comes from the Hebrew word #0226
and from other definition sources:
So what does God associate His mark with?
God associates His mark/distinguishing mark that shows you are His people as being the Sabbath (those that keep the 4th commandment)
So what does the Papal power (sea Beast) say is its sign or mark?
What Does the Beast power say keeping its 'Mark' means, how is it associated with bowing down (submitting authority in religious matters) to the Beast’s image?
Any "Christian" how wants to take the beast's mark of Sunday worship and not honor God's commandments are erased from the Book of Life during the Tribulation. Why would I want to give gentle powder-puff words to people that will leave them lost when I know what the final test that will sought the wheat from the tares is on.
You do realize that the End Time message is a cutting one-
Not, lets all be friendly like and sing songs and hold hands
The Catholic church is not the antichrist. The antichrist is infiltrating the Catholic church though. Just as it does in all parts of society. The film is misapplying evidence just as many churches have misapplied evidence.
I don't deal in generalities, I deal in specifics....what scripture and source information has the film evidence misapplied so that I may answer you on. A personal opinion with no scriptural reference means nothing when it comes to prophecy understanding.
Steering people away from the Catholic church, as this video intends, steers many away from god in general. This is not good.
actually much of the non-christian world would probably be pleased to find out that what they thought Christianity represented, the Catholic church, is not only condemned by God but is condemned in such a way that shows the writers of the prophetic books of the Bible where actually receiving revelations from a supernatural being that is outside of time and knows the end from the beginning.
Any one wanting to be a die-hard catholic or a lukewarm Christian as the Tribulation period comes is as good as dead in Christ....as I will show
God’s mark comes from the Hebrew word #0226
226. ʼôwth oth; probably from 225 (in the sense of appearing); a signal (literally or figuratively), as aflag, beacon, monument, omen, prodigy, evidence, etc.:—mark, miracle, (en-) sign, token.
Strong, James (2011-05-14). Strong's Hebrew Dictionary of the Bible (Strong's Dictionary) (Kindle Locations 965-969). Miklal Software Solutions, Inc.. Kindle Edition.
and from other definition sources:
SIGN: Hebrew: 'owth', meaning - sign, token, ensign, mark, a distinguishing mark, signal, banner, remembrance
classic.net.bible.org...
www.blueletterbible.org...
So what does God associate His mark with?
Ezekiel 20:12 Moreover also I gave [5414] them my Sabbaths, [7676] to be a sign [0226]between me and them, that they might know [3045] that I [am] the LORD [3068] that sanctify [6942] them.
Ezekiel 20:20 And hallow [6942] my Sabbaths; [7676] and they shall be a sign [0226] between me and you, that ye may know [3045] that I [am] the LORD [3068] your God. [0430]
source: www.biblicalproportions.com...
Exodus 31:17 It [is] a sign [0226] between me and the children [1121] of Israel [3478] for ever: [5769] for [in] six [8337] days [3117] the LORD [3068] made [6213] heaven [8064] and earth, [0776] and on the seventh [7637] day [3117] he rested, [7673] and was refreshed. [5314]
source: www.biblicalproportions.com...
God associates His mark/distinguishing mark that shows you are His people as being the Sabbath (those that keep the 4th commandment)
So what does the Papal power (sea Beast) say is its sign or mark?
Sunday is our mark of authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.
— Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.
“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act...And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things.”
— H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons.
Is not yet too late for Protestants to redeem themselves. Will they do it?... will they indeed take the written word only, the Scripture alone, as their sole authority and their sole standard? Or will they still hold the indefensible, self contradictory, and suicidal doctrine and practice of following the authority of the Catholic church and wear the SIGN of her authority? Will they keep the Sabbath of the Lord, the seventh day, according to Scripture? Or will they keep the Sunday according to the tradition of the Catholic church
Rome's Challenge
What Does the Beast power say keeping its 'Mark' means, how is it associated with bowing down (submitting authority in religious matters) to the Beast’s image?
Protestants...accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change...But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that...In observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope.”
— Our Sunday Visitor, February 15, 1950.
It was the Catholic church which...has transferred this rest to Sunday in remembrance of the resurrection of our Lord. Therefore the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) church.”
— Monsignor Louis Segur, Plain Talk About the Protestantism of Today, p. 213.
Any "Christian" how wants to take the beast's mark of Sunday worship and not honor God's commandments are erased from the Book of Life during the Tribulation. Why would I want to give gentle powder-puff words to people that will leave them lost when I know what the final test that will sought the wheat from the tares is on.
You do realize that the End Time message is a cutting one-
2 Corinthians 6:17 "Come out from among them and be ye separate, saith the Lord."
Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues.
Not, lets all be friendly like and sing songs and hold hands
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reply to post by On the Edge
And yet this is irrelevant as the sea beast/little horn power has to fulfill all descriptions perfectly. Jerusalem does not come up out of the fallen Roman Empire and dispatches/humbles 3 of the 10 prominent kingdoms that arise out of this fallen empire.
A key element that links the sea beast to the little horn power is the main time period of its rule.
In Daniel 7, as Gabriel interprets the dream for Daniel, we see this 'time, times and the dividing of time' reference made when talking about this 'little horn' that is introduced to us in Daniel 7:8. Daniel 12:7 uses this same time period and says that it is a man which was upon the waters of the river (drawing a link to beast from the sea). How we can draw the conclusion that the whore of Babylon is related to this little horn and man on the waters is the following verse.
Some additional info on 1260 prophetic days, 42 months or time, times and a half
Nebuchadnezzar's dream of a statue/image of with:
- head of gold
- chest and arms of silver
- belly and thighs of bronze
- legs of iron
- feet partly of iron and partly of clay
In Daniel 2:38 Daniel tells the Babylonian king that he is represented as the head of gold. He then proceeds to tell of kingdoms that would arise after successively after Babylon that will rule over the earth.
In Daniel 7 now it talks about 4 beasts:
- a lion with two wings (Dan. 7:4)
- a bear raised up on one side with 3 ribs between its mouth (Dan. 7:5)
- leopard with 4 wings and 4 heads (Dan. 7:6)
- a dreadful beast with iron teeth, trampling to pieces everything (Dan. 7:7)
. We know that these 4 beasts can be linked to the kingdoms that would arise from Daniel 2's image because of this verse.
We also note the iron legs links with the iron teeth.
And we know it is referring to the kingdom of Rome designated as the legs of iron because of the matching descriptions:
In Daniel 8 we read about 'a Ram with 2 horns, one higher than the other and the higher one came up last' (Dan. 8:3). Angel Gabriel interprets this for Daniel and says:
The male goat that is next described, which had a notable horn between the eyes (Alexander the Great, verse.5). In verse 8 we read the large horn was broken (the death of Alexander) and in its place 4 notable horns came up (the 4 generals came up after him)
We confirm this analysis with Gabriel's interpretation:
Now we will talk about the 10 horns that come out of the forth beast's head (the legs of iron) that will represent the kingdom present (feet of iron and clay) until the return of the Ancient of Days (Daniel 7:22), aka the end of time.
We know that from the following text comparison that the blasphemies spoken against God by the beast from the sea of Revelation 13 is the same as this little horn 'speaking great words against the most High' for the same time period
We know from the study of the 'woman' symbol that this corresponds with 'the saints of the most high'.
- Time = 1 year, times = 2 years, dividing of time/half a time = 6 months/0.5 years.................total 3.5 years or 42 months
- 1260 days divided by the Jewish calendar length of 360 days = 3.5 years
In talking about the whore of Babylon with Daniel as our key (sealed book that will be open to our understanding near the end) we see we are well on the right path to identifying the timing of the whore/sea beast from history.
We note a few significant things in the above text. The 10 kings out of the fallen Roman Empire are present all at once and come out first, then the horn that subdues 3 of the kings comes up, he is also different in characteristic that the other original 10.
1. The Huns which is now called Hungary (but included parts of Germany, the Balkans and Ukraine)
2. The Visigoths which is now called Spain
3. The Franks which is now called France
4. The Sueves which is now called Portugal
5. The Burgundians which is now called Switzerland
6. The Anglo Saxons which is now called England
7. The Lombards which is now called Italy
8. The Ostrogoths
9. The Vandal
10. The Herulis
This word that is translated as subdue will be retorted by Catholic sympathisers by saying that the Ostrogoths were not fully destroyed in 538AD. This is true but the translation doesn't mean completely wiped out....they were definitely humbled!
And Jerusalem has seven mountains.
And yet this is irrelevant as the sea beast/little horn power has to fulfill all descriptions perfectly. Jerusalem does not come up out of the fallen Roman Empire and dispatches/humbles 3 of the 10 prominent kingdoms that arise out of this fallen empire.
A key element that links the sea beast to the little horn power is the main time period of its rule.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and swore by him that liveth forever that it shall be for a time, times, and a half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things
In Daniel 7, as Gabriel interprets the dream for Daniel, we see this 'time, times and the dividing of time' reference made when talking about this 'little horn' that is introduced to us in Daniel 7:8. Daniel 12:7 uses this same time period and says that it is a man which was upon the waters of the river (drawing a link to beast from the sea). How we can draw the conclusion that the whore of Babylon is related to this little horn and man on the waters is the following verse.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Some additional info on 1260 prophetic days, 42 months or time, times and a half
Nebuchadnezzar's dream of a statue/image of with:
- head of gold
- chest and arms of silver
- belly and thighs of bronze
- legs of iron
- feet partly of iron and partly of clay
In Daniel 2:38 Daniel tells the Babylonian king that he is represented as the head of gold. He then proceeds to tell of kingdoms that would arise after successively after Babylon that will rule over the earth.
In Daniel 7 now it talks about 4 beasts:
- a lion with two wings (Dan. 7:4)
- a bear raised up on one side with 3 ribs between its mouth (Dan. 7:5)
- leopard with 4 wings and 4 heads (Dan. 7:6)
- a dreadful beast with iron teeth, trampling to pieces everything (Dan. 7:7)
. We know that these 4 beasts can be linked to the kingdoms that would arise from Daniel 2's image because of this verse.
Daniel 7:23 So he said: 'The fourth animal will be a fourth kingdom on the earth, different from all the kingdoms. It will devour the entire earth, trampling it down and crushing it.
We also note the iron legs links with the iron teeth.
And we know it is referring to the kingdom of Rome designated as the legs of iron because of the matching descriptions:
Daniel 2:40 Then there will be a fourth kingdom, as strong as iron. Just as all things are broken to pieces and shattered by iron, so it will shatter and crush everything.
In Daniel 8 we read about 'a Ram with 2 horns, one higher than the other and the higher one came up last' (Dan. 8:3). Angel Gabriel interprets this for Daniel and says:
Daniel 8:20 As for the ram that you saw with the two horns, these are the kings of Media and Persia.
The male goat that is next described, which had a notable horn between the eyes (Alexander the Great, verse.5). In verse 8 we read the large horn was broken (the death of Alexander) and in its place 4 notable horns came up (the 4 generals came up after him)
"The beast had also four heads." The Grecian empire maintained its unity but little longer than the lifetime of Alexander. Within a few years after his brilliant career ended in a fever induced by a drunken debauch, the empire was divided among his four leading generals. Cassander had Macedon and Greece in the west; Lysimachus had Thrace and the parts of Asia on the Hellespont and Bosphorus in the north; Ptolemy received Egypt, Lydia, Arabia, Palestine, and Coele Syria in the south; and Seleucus had Syria and all the rest of Alexander's dominions in the east.
Smith, Uriah (2012-05-26). Daniel and the Revelation (Kindle Locations 1657-1662). . Kindle Edition.
We confirm this analysis with Gabriel's interpretation:
Daniel 8:21 The hairy male goat is the kingdom of Greece, and the large horn between its eyes is its first king.
Now we will talk about the 10 horns that come out of the forth beast's head (the legs of iron) that will represent the kingdom present (feet of iron and clay) until the return of the Ancient of Days (Daniel 7:22), aka the end of time.
We know that from the following text comparison that the blasphemies spoken against God by the beast from the sea of Revelation 13 is the same as this little horn 'speaking great words against the most High' for the same time period
Revelation 13:5 Then the beast was allowed to speak great blasphemies against God. And he was given authority to do whatever he wanted for forty-two months.
Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Revelation 12:6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness where God had prepared a place for her so that she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.
We know from the study of the 'woman' symbol that this corresponds with 'the saints of the most high'.
- Time = 1 year, times = 2 years, dividing of time/half a time = 6 months/0.5 years.................total 3.5 years or 42 months
- 1260 days divided by the Jewish calendar length of 360 days = 3.5 years
In talking about the whore of Babylon with Daniel as our key (sealed book that will be open to our understanding near the end) we see we are well on the right path to identifying the timing of the whore/sea beast from history.
Daniel 7:24 As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings will arise; and another will arise after them, and he will be different from the previous ones and will subdue three kings.
We note a few significant things in the above text. The 10 kings out of the fallen Roman Empire are present all at once and come out first, then the horn that subdues 3 of the kings comes up, he is also different in characteristic that the other original 10.
The Huns, the Ostrogoths, the Visigoths, the Franks, the Vandals, the Suevi, the Burgundians, the Heruli, the Anglo-Saxons, and the Lombards. These divisions have ever since been spoken of as the ten kingdoms of the Roman empire.
Smith, Uriah (2012-05-26). Daniel and the Revelation (Kindle Locations 1677-1679). . Kindle Edition.
3. THE TEN DIVISIONS OF ROME.
The ten kingdoms which arose out of the old Roman empire, are symbolized by the ten horns on the fourth beast of Daniel 7. All agree on this point; but there has not been entire unanimity among expositors as to the names of the kingdoms which constituted these divisions. Some name the Huns as one of these divisions, others put the Alemanni in place of the Huns. That the reader may see the general trend of what has been written on this subject, the following facts are presented:
- Machiavelli, the historian of Florence, writing simply as a historian, names the Huns as one of the nations principally concerned in the breaking up of the Roman empire. Among those who have written on this point with reference to the prophecy, may be mentioned, Berengaud, in the ninth century; Mede, 1586- 1638; Bossuet, 1627-1704; Lloyd, 1627-1717; Sir Isaac Newton, 1642-1727; Bishop Newton, 1704-1782; Hales, ---1821: Faber, 1773-1854.
Of these nine authorities, eight take the position that the Huns were one of the ten kingdoms; of these eight, two, Bossuet and Bishop Newton, followed by Dr. Clarke, have both the Huns and the Alemanni; only one, Mede, omits the Huns and takes the Alemanni. Thus eight favor the view that the Huns were represented by one of the horns; two, while not rejecting the Huns, consider the Alemanni one of the horns; one rejects the Huns and takes the Alemanni. Scott and Barnes, in their commentaries, and Oswald, in his Kingdom That Shall Not Be Moved, name the Huns.
Smith, Uriah (2012-05-26). Daniel and the Revelation (Kindle Locations 11191-11203). . Kindle Edition.
1. The Huns which is now called Hungary (but included parts of Germany, the Balkans and Ukraine)
2. The Visigoths which is now called Spain
3. The Franks which is now called France
4. The Sueves which is now called Portugal
5. The Burgundians which is now called Switzerland
6. The Anglo Saxons which is now called England
7. The Lombards which is now called Italy
8. The Ostrogoths
9. The Vandal
10. The Herulis
Daniel 7:24 And the ten [6236] horns [7162] out of [4481] this kingdom [4437] [are] ten [6236] kings [4430] [that] shall arise: [6966] and another [0321] shall rise [6966] after them; [0311] and he shall be diverse [8133] from [4481] the first, [6933] and he shall subdue [8214] three [8532] kings. [4430] source
8214. shəphal shef-al'; (Aramaic) corresponding to 8213; to depress or sink (expectation figuratively, to humiliate, intransitive or transitive):—abase, humble, put down, subdue.
Strong, James (2011-05-14). Strong's Hebrew Dictionary of the Bible (Strong's Dictionary) (Kindle Locations 31086-31089). Miklal Software Solutions, Inc.. Kindle Edition.
This word that is translated as subdue will be retorted by Catholic sympathisers by saying that the Ostrogoths were not fully destroyed in 538AD. This is true but the translation doesn't mean completely wiped out....they were definitely humbled!
Catholic emperors of the eastern empire found ways to help the pope by eliminating three of the Arian tribes. (These "Arian type" nations would not agree with the popes plans) The Catholic emperor Zeno (474-491) arranged a treaty with the Ostrogoths in 487 which resulted in the eradication of the kingdom of the Arian Heruls in 492. And the catholic emperor Justinian (527-565) exterminated the Arian Vandals in 534 and signifcally broke the power of the Arian Ostrogoths in 538. Thus were Daniels three horns - The Heruls, the Vandals, and the Ostrogoths - "plucked up by the roots." -C. Mervyn Maxwell, God Cares Vol. 1, p. 129
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reply to post by Dianec
I think Jesus strongly implied that the people who would have their eyes open to who, when ect about the anti-christ would be those who 'keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus' (Rev. 12:17) where the testimony of Jesus is defined as 'the spirit of prophecy' in Rev. 19:10
This is where we are up to in prophecy...
According to the Daniel 2 statue of empire -
We have gone through the Bablyonian head of gold, the Medo-Persian arms and chest of silver, the Grecian belly and thighs of bronze, the Roman legs of iron...we are in the final empire symbolised as the feet of partly iron and partly clay.
According to Daniel 7 prophecy...
Talking about the little horn that would arise out of the 4th empire (the Roman empire)...relevant passages are v.20,21 and v.24, 25
This little horn power has already arisen, subdued/humbled the three kings/minor kingdoms (Ostrogoths, Vandals, Herulis) and persecuted the saints of the God for a 'time, times and a half'. (1260 literal years from 538AD when the papacy became the full description of the little horn power, a religious and political power in one due to the Justinian decree....to 1798AD when its political power was taken away by the French army when the pope was arrested)
According to Revelation 13 prophecy...
In Rev. 13:3 we read about this apparent mortal wound which is then later healed. This mortal wound corresponds to the event in 1798AD that politically killed the little horn and thus was no longer the description of a religio-political power in one.
The mortal wound heals
so that covers the early descriptions about the beast from the sea in Revelation 13
We also already have the beast of the earth (from Revelation 13:11 on-wards on the scene as well) America recognized as a nation by France around the same time that France mortally wounded the little horn/beast of the sea papacy.
Timeline wise we are up to Revelation 13:12 (as America has definitely been speaking like a dragon in the last few years with their ability to kill, torture, detain indefinitely anyone around the world the President says without any judicial oversight)
According to Rev. 17 prophecy
verse 8 and 11 talk about the beast who was (538-1798AD), is not (mortal wound 1798-1929), yet is/will come (1929 onwards to end)
We are up to the 8th king/kingdom (1929 onwards) who is like the 7th (538ad-1798 papacy)
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According to the human agent plans behind the scenes working towards their NWO objectives:
According to New Age sources:
So you have this Maitreya (the star like luminary who the Freemason point out is Lucifer), basically just putting the final touches on his orchestrated financial and social cataclysm that Luci would like to use to emerge from or around (basically have the implied threat of further hardship is going to continue if you don’t follow Luci...even though he planned and created it)
I have read on a previous thread about the expected return of the Messiah according to Jewish mystics using the Zohar prophecies (not the Bible, Dan. 9 prophecies) sometime between Sept 2012 and Sept/Oct 2013 but I don’t know much about this prophecies and would like to learn more about it if anyone can shed some light.
I also note that the New Ager crowd are expecting the Earth to transition from 3D to 4 or 5D reality by or on Jan 1 2014 so looks like Luci has been making some serious promises that he would probably want to fulfil or give the illusion that they could be fulfilled soon lest we piss off too many New Agers or still waiting Jews.
I’d been surprised if there isn’t some significant supernatural stirrings (i.e impersonating Jesus’ second coming) over the next 12-24 month period (or intermediate period ahead) considering the way things have been set by Luci.
don't you think Jesus said (somewhere) to believe in Him and you would have your eyes open to the antichrist?
I think Jesus strongly implied that the people who would have their eyes open to who, when ect about the anti-christ would be those who 'keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus' (Rev. 12:17) where the testimony of Jesus is defined as 'the spirit of prophecy' in Rev. 19:10
Revelations gives tons of clues to tell us when we are getting close to his emergence onto the scene but stops short...We will "never" know because it is a way for God to bring us to Jesus. If we knew we would not need him now would we? I think we should focus on where we are in prophecy to see how close we are to his coming into power rather than exact identity.
This is where we are up to in prophecy...
According to the Daniel 2 statue of empire -
We have gone through the Bablyonian head of gold, the Medo-Persian arms and chest of silver, the Grecian belly and thighs of bronze, the Roman legs of iron...we are in the final empire symbolised as the feet of partly iron and partly clay.
According to Daniel 7 prophecy...
Talking about the little horn that would arise out of the 4th empire (the Roman empire)...relevant passages are v.20,21 and v.24, 25
This little horn power has already arisen, subdued/humbled the three kings/minor kingdoms (Ostrogoths, Vandals, Herulis) and persecuted the saints of the God for a 'time, times and a half'. (1260 literal years from 538AD when the papacy became the full description of the little horn power, a religious and political power in one due to the Justinian decree....to 1798AD when its political power was taken away by the French army when the pope was arrested)
"In 1798 General Berthier made his entrance into Rome, abolished the papal government, and established a secular one." -Encyclopedia Britannica 1941 edition
According to Revelation 13 prophecy...
In Rev. 13:3 we read about this apparent mortal wound which is then later healed. This mortal wound corresponds to the event in 1798AD that politically killed the little horn and thus was no longer the description of a religio-political power in one.
"Half Europe thought... that with the Pope the Papacy was dead."
- Joseph Rickaby "The Modern Papacy" Lectures on the History of Religion, Lecture 24, (London Catholic Truth Society, 1910), p.1
The mortal wound heals
The Roman question tonight was a thing of the past, and the Vatican was at peace with Italy... In affixing the autographs to the memorable document healing the wound of many years, extreme cordiality was displayed on both sides"
-The San Francisco Chronicle. Feb. 11, 1929
Rome, June 7.--From 11 o' clock this morning there was another sovereign independent State in the world. At that time Premier Mussolini, as Italian Foreign Minister representing King Victor Emmanuel--the first Italian Premier ever to cross the threshold of the Vatican--exchanged with Cardinal Gasparri, Papal Secretary of State, representing Pope Pius XI, ratifications of the treaties signed at the Lateran Palace on Feb. 11. By that simple act the sovereign independent State of Vatican City came into existence.
-New York Times July 7, 1929
so that covers the early descriptions about the beast from the sea in Revelation 13
We also already have the beast of the earth (from Revelation 13:11 on-wards on the scene as well) America recognized as a nation by France around the same time that France mortally wounded the little horn/beast of the sea papacy.
Timeline wise we are up to Revelation 13:12 (as America has definitely been speaking like a dragon in the last few years with their ability to kill, torture, detain indefinitely anyone around the world the President says without any judicial oversight)
According to Rev. 17 prophecy
verse 8 and 11 talk about the beast who was (538-1798AD), is not (mortal wound 1798-1929), yet is/will come (1929 onwards to end)
We are up to the 8th king/kingdom (1929 onwards) who is like the 7th (538ad-1798 papacy)
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According to the human agent plans behind the scenes working towards their NWO objectives:
World War Three is to be fomented by using the differences the agentur of the Illuminati stir up between Political Zionists and the leaders of the Moslem world. The war is to be directed in such a manner that Islam (the Arab World including Mohammedanism) and Political Zionism (including the State of Israel) will destroy themselves while at the same time the remaining nations, once more divided against each other on this issue, will be forced to fight themselves into a state of complete exhaustion physically, mentally, spiritually and economically. Can any unbiased and reasoning person deny that the intrigue now going on in the Near, Middle, and Far East isn’t designed to accomplish this devilish purpose?
Pawns in the Game - William Guy Carr (written in the late 1950's)
According to New Age sources:
The stage is set
[In relation to the staged financial collapsed] Maitreya, waiting patiently in the wings, sees this as a ‘window of opportunity’ which allows Him to emerge openly and begin His outer mission. Thus, the long wait for His emergence is almost over. Very soon indeed now men will hear Maitreya’s call for action and for change
source connected to the United Nations (from 2008)
Maitreya's first interview
In the very near future, people everywhere will have the opportunity to witness an extraordinary and significant sign, the like of which has been manifested only once before, at the birth of Jesus. Then, according to Christian teaching, a star appeared in the heavens and led three wise men from the East to the birthplace of Jesus. Soon, once again, a star-like luminary of brilliant power will be seen around the world.
same UN connected source (2009)
The restoration of the world
From almost every point of view the situation facing men everywhere grows daily more painful. The economic chaos resulting from years of unlicensed greed and heartless competition lays waste the honest toil and aspiration of countless millions. On the whole, the men of money go blithely on, their treasure intact, while men and women in every country face joblessness, poverty and fear. More accurate readings of climatic changes show men how close this planet is to irreversible calamity, and alarm bells sound loudly on many political fronts, raising to new levels the factor of stress.
Behind the scenes, Maitreya watches carefully these happenings, and gives succour wherever the Law allows. He waits, patiently, for the build-up of response to the sign of His Emergence, the “star-like luminary of brilliant power” on which many now gaze in wonder and even love. source (mid 2009)
So you have this Maitreya (the star like luminary who the Freemason point out is Lucifer), basically just putting the final touches on his orchestrated financial and social cataclysm that Luci would like to use to emerge from or around (basically have the implied threat of further hardship is going to continue if you don’t follow Luci...even though he planned and created it)
I have read on a previous thread about the expected return of the Messiah according to Jewish mystics using the Zohar prophecies (not the Bible, Dan. 9 prophecies) sometime between Sept 2012 and Sept/Oct 2013 but I don’t know much about this prophecies and would like to learn more about it if anyone can shed some light.
I also note that the New Ager crowd are expecting the Earth to transition from 3D to 4 or 5D reality by or on Jan 1 2014 so looks like Luci has been making some serious promises that he would probably want to fulfil or give the illusion that they could be fulfilled soon lest we piss off too many New Agers or still waiting Jews.
I’d been surprised if there isn’t some significant supernatural stirrings (i.e impersonating Jesus’ second coming) over the next 12-24 month period (or intermediate period ahead) considering the way things have been set by Luci.
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Interesting points. The verses which point to Vatican city (Rev. 17:18 and 17:9) is also the same chapter we hear about this 8th beast that is like the 7th (Rev. 17:11). Perhaps this idea of tying down the final interaction of the beast is only done in chapter 17 and not in Rev. 13 or Dan. 7 is because it is only most completely associated with Vatican city after its wound is healed in 1929.
The only conclusion I can draw from that is that the Catholic Church didn't become the Anti-Christ until 1929 with the Lateran treaty when the independent city-state was recognized. Before that time it must not have been the Anti-Christ since it was not united with any country.
Interesting points. The verses which point to Vatican city (Rev. 17:18 and 17:9) is also the same chapter we hear about this 8th beast that is like the 7th (Rev. 17:11). Perhaps this idea of tying down the final interaction of the beast is only done in chapter 17 and not in Rev. 13 or Dan. 7 is because it is only most completely associated with Vatican city after its wound is healed in 1929.
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In a manner of words....it describes the attributes of those the dragon would make war with (Re.12:17), and the characteristics of the saints (God's people) who would not receive the beast mark (Rev. 14:12) and the 144,000 group in Rev. 7 and Rev. 14. I am aiming to be apart of the 144,000 group (there are some very cool heavenly rewards on offer for being so!) to speak on this end times message in the manner of the apostles so I try to learn the prophecies very well and all aspects of the significant things going on in the world related to these prophecies and the 3 angels messages of Rev. 14.
Well you have basically summed up what my whole purpose for being on ATS is all about. I hope to provide many of the members on ATS much understanding on prophecy (as SDAs basically keep it very much to themselves and are a tad lazy in getting the message out) so they will know who to turn to for understanding, what will happen next, how they will be able to help those around them, how they will be able to help themselves. I hope to be able to answer people's uncertainties and have a good (time stamped) repository of info you can share with others
The mortal wound, if that is what you are referring to, is related to an event in 1798. Something is a bit fishy about the resignation and having the first Jesuit in, but prophetically it is not mentioned. I won't go off on a tangent about the Jesuits too much but all I would say is that there first appointment I think will be very significant. There is much more than meets the eye when it comes to face value with them.
From the Great Controversy (1888) p. 234-235
The context for the following text is circa 1530-40 about 10 years after Martin Luther ...
And this is what an Argentinian ATS member had to say about him -
I could do a massive thread on the Jesuits themselves but it is a bit off-topic to talk about them too much here
I have come to enjoy your replies, did the Bible not say that in the end days a select would be given the pwoer of discernment?
In a manner of words....it describes the attributes of those the dragon would make war with (Re.12:17), and the characteristics of the saints (God's people) who would not receive the beast mark (Rev. 14:12) and the 144,000 group in Rev. 7 and Rev. 14. I am aiming to be apart of the 144,000 group (there are some very cool heavenly rewards on offer for being so!) to speak on this end times message in the manner of the apostles so I try to learn the prophecies very well and all aspects of the significant things going on in the world related to these prophecies and the 3 angels messages of Rev. 14.
this awakening will prepare some to truly see what is happening clear as day, the word is truly revealed and the beast,a/c etc will be plain as day.
Well you have basically summed up what my whole purpose for being on ATS is all about. I hope to provide many of the members on ATS much understanding on prophecy (as SDAs basically keep it very much to themselves and are a tad lazy in getting the message out) so they will know who to turn to for understanding, what will happen next, how they will be able to help those around them, how they will be able to help themselves. I hope to be able to answer people's uncertainties and have a good (time stamped) repository of info you can share with others
I have had this inner feeling since the resignation of the pope that the next pope was a lamb to be slaughtered. This new pope on face value seems to be a decent humble man, is he perhaps or his murder the act that destroy's the church?
The mortal wound, if that is what you are referring to, is related to an event in 1798. Something is a bit fishy about the resignation and having the first Jesuit in, but prophetically it is not mentioned. I won't go off on a tangent about the Jesuits too much but all I would say is that there first appointment I think will be very significant. There is much more than meets the eye when it comes to face value with them.
From the Great Controversy (1888) p. 234-235
The context for the following text is circa 1530-40 about 10 years after Martin Luther ...
Throughout Christendom, Protestantism was menaced by formidable foes. The first triumphs of the Reformation past, Rome summoned new forces, hoping to accomplish its destruction. At this time, the order of the Jesuits was created, the most cruel, unscrupulous, and powerful of all the champions of popery. Cut off from every earthly tie and human interest, dead to the claims of natural affection, reason and conscience wholly silenced, they knew no rule, no tie, but that of their order, and no duty but to extend its power. The gospel of Christ had enabled its adherents to meet danger and endure suffering, undismayed by cold, hunger, toil, and poverty, to uphold the banner of truth in face of the rack, the dungeon, and the stake. To combat these forces, Jesuitism inspired its followers with a fanaticism that enabled them to endure like dangers, and to oppose to the power of truth all the weapons of deception. There was no crime too great for them to commit, no deception too base for them to practice, no disguise too difficult for them to assume. Vowed to perpetual poverty and humility, it was their studied aim to secure wealth and power, to be devoted to the overthrow of Protestantism, and the re-establishment of the papal supremacy.
When appearing as members of their order, they wore a garb of sanctity, visiting prisons and hospitals, ministering to the sick and the poor, professing to have renounced the world, and bearing the sacred name of Jesus, who went about doing good. But under this blameless exterior the most criminal and deadly purposes were concealed. It was a fundamental principle of the order that the end justifies the means. By this code, lying, theft, perjury, assassination, were not only pardonable but commendable, when they served the interests of the church. Under various disguises the Jesuits worked their way into offices of State, climbing up to be the counselors of kings, and shaping the policy of nations. They became servants, to act as spies upon their masters. They established colleges for the sons of princes and nobles, and schools for the common people; and the children of Protestant parents were drawn into an observance of popish rites. All the outward pomp and display of the Romish worship was brought to bear to confuse the mind, and dazzle and captivate the imagination; and thus the liberty for which the fathers had toiled and bled was betrayed by the sons. The Jesuits rapidly spread themselves over Europe, and wherever they went, there followed a revival of popery.
To give them greater power, a bull was issued re-establishing the Inquisition. Notwithstanding the general abhorrence with which it was regarded, even in Catholic countries, this terrible tribunal was again set up by popish rulers, and atrocities too terrible to bear the light of day were repeated in its secret dungeons. In many countries, thousands upon thousands of the very flower of the nation, the purest and noblest, the most intellectual and highly educated, pious and devoted pastors, industrious and patriotic citizens, brilliant scholars, talented artists, skillful artisans, were slain, or forced to flee to other lands.
And this is what an Argentinian ATS member had to say about him -
Real fact from an Argentinian: He's a fascist right-wing SOB who openly supported the military dictatorship.
He openly opposed the public distribution of anticonceptives.
He openly opposed the Igualitarian Marriage Law (no surprise there)
He's the poster-boy of the elites
He persecuted those who embraced the theology of liberation
I could go on and on and on...
The election of this clown is a shame for any true christian...
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I could do a massive thread on the Jesuits themselves but it is a bit off-topic to talk about them too much here
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JesuitGarlic because: (no reason given)
None of this matters because...
There will be no wrath, only an end of the world party and an after dinner orgy.
And the new Pope will lead the orgy wearing pink with an opening prayer.
There will be no wrath, only an end of the world party and an after dinner orgy.
And the new Pope will lead the orgy wearing pink with an opening prayer.
Originally posted by Miracula
None of this matters because...
There will be no wrath, only an end of the world party and an after dinner orgy.
And the new Pope will lead the orgy wearing pink with an opening prayer.
And after everything that is being presented, you think it all comes down to a papal orgy?
reply to post by Miracula
Millions of those sulfur balls were found all over the destroyed cities of Sodom, Gomorrah, Zeboim, Zoar and Admah.
Chemical analysis of those sulfur balls revealed them to be about 98% pure sulfur with the other elements composed of things which would make the sulfur burn hotter (like magnesium).
The purest forms of naturally occurring sulfur comes to at around 40% pure. The sulfur that hit those cities only had 30 times less impurities than anything found on Earth. There is no doubt that what destroyed those cities was supernatural intervention (God's judgment/wrath on them).
further reading on Sodom and Gomorrah discoveries - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5
Not a particularly good idea to think that God won't or can't deliver. The same brimstone (molten sulfur) used to destroy those cities by God is the same to be used in the Lake of fire to erase people from existence at final judgment if why don't wish to be in the Book of Life. God delivered on His flood, the extinction level event that occurred as evidenced from the Cretaceous layer, the only layer that is universal across the whole earth, from continent to continent, and had to occur in the presence of water because of all the calcium carbonate soft-bodied sea creatures which make up the layer (which is also why it is called the chalk layer)
None of this matters because... There will be no wrath, only an end of the world party and an after dinner orgy.
Then the Lord rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the Lord out of the heavens" Genesis 19:24. "Turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly" II Peter 2:6.
Millions of those sulfur balls were found all over the destroyed cities of Sodom, Gomorrah, Zeboim, Zoar and Admah.
Chemical analysis of those sulfur balls revealed them to be about 98% pure sulfur with the other elements composed of things which would make the sulfur burn hotter (like magnesium).
The purest forms of naturally occurring sulfur comes to at around 40% pure. The sulfur that hit those cities only had 30 times less impurities than anything found on Earth. There is no doubt that what destroyed those cities was supernatural intervention (God's judgment/wrath on them).
further reading on Sodom and Gomorrah discoveries - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5
Not a particularly good idea to think that God won't or can't deliver. The same brimstone (molten sulfur) used to destroy those cities by God is the same to be used in the Lake of fire to erase people from existence at final judgment if why don't wish to be in the Book of Life. God delivered on His flood, the extinction level event that occurred as evidenced from the Cretaceous layer, the only layer that is universal across the whole earth, from continent to continent, and had to occur in the presence of water because of all the calcium carbonate soft-bodied sea creatures which make up the layer (which is also why it is called the chalk layer)
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reply to post by STARTRUTH49
You wouldn't happen to be a theosophist by any chance? These sentiments of how great it is going to be when billions of Christians are killed sounds very much like Alice A Bailey
In June 1947 Bailey says that World War II,
After the war, Bailey wrote in Education in the New Age that “the Custodians of God’s Plan” viewed World War II as,
She add,
If your not a theosophist already then it sounds like I have found a kindred spirit for you!
Although there are some strings attached of course -
Spangler says that,
Sanat Kumara is referred by Theosophist Dane Rudyar as "King Satan."
So taking a guess I would say that your probably a low to medium level theosophist...or are you high enough up in theosophy or the OTO to know who you are following
i CANT wait for a new dispensation when humanity can say goodbuy christianity, you didnt serve us well, you predictions were wrong, your truth was corruppted and your people enslaved
You wouldn't happen to be a theosophist by any chance? These sentiments of how great it is going to be when billions of Christians are killed sounds very much like Alice A Bailey
let us never forget that it is the Life, its purpose and its directed intentional destiny that is of importance; and also that when a form proves inadequate, or too diseased, or too crippled for the expression of that purpose, it is – from the point of view of the Hierarchy – no disaster when that form has to go. Death is not a disaster to be feared; the work of the Destroyer is not really cruel or undesirable.
Alice A. Bailey, Education in the New Age, 1954, Lucis Publishing Company, p. 112.
[As] death is the great Liberator.
Alice A. Bailey, The Rays and the Initiations: Volume V, A Treatise on the Seven Rays, 1960, Lucis Publishing Company, p. 607
Pain has always been the purifying agent, employed by the Lords of Destiny, to bring about liberation. The accumulated pain of the present war and the inherited pain of the earlier stage (begun in 1914) is bringing about a salutary and changing world consciousness. The Lord of Pain has descended from His throne and is treading the ways of earth today, bringing distress, agony and terror to those who cannot interpret His ends.
Alice A. Bailey, The Externalisation of the Hierarchy, 1957, Lucis Publishing Company, p.116
In June 1947 Bailey says that World War II,
with all its unspeakable horrors, its cruelties, and its cataclysmic disasters – was but the broom of the Father of all, sweeping away obstructions in the path of His returning Son.
...
It would have been well-nigh impossible to prepare for the coming in the face of the pre-war conditions.
Alice A. Bailey, The Externalisation of the Hierarchy, 1957, Lucis Publishing Company, p.618
After the war, Bailey wrote in Education in the New Age that “the Custodians of God’s Plan” viewed World War II as,
in the nature of major surgical operation made in an effort to save the patient’s life; [the operation had been] largely successful [in removing] a violent streptococcic germ and infection [that had] menaced the life of humanity.
...
[The operation] was made in order to prolong opportunity and save life, not to save the form. The operation was largely successful.
...
[But this would just be the beginning as] The germ, to be sure, is not eradicated and makes its presence felt in infected areas in the body of humanity. Another surgical operation may be necessary, not in order to destroy and end the present civilisation, but in order to dissipate the infection and get rid of the fever.
source: Alice A. Bailey, Education in the New Age, 1954, Lucis Publishing Company, p. 111-112
Bailey’s use of the germ/infection metaphor for people paralleled Himmler’s speech to senior SS officers in Posen in 1943: “We have exterminated a bacterium because we do not want in the end to be infected by the bacterium and die of it. I will not see so much as a small area of sepsis appear here or gain a hold. Wherever it may form, we will cauterise it. All in all, however, we can say that we have carried out this most difficult of tasks in a spirit of love for our people. And we have suffered no harm in our inner being, our soul, our character.” (Michael Burleigh, The Third Reich: A New History, Hill and Wang, 2000, p. 661).
She add,
The next stage of human evolution will emerge as a result of the purificatory action of the World War. Alice A. Bailey, Education in the New Age, 1954, Lucis Publishing Company, p. 149.
Alice Bailey and her associates at the Lucis Trust have repeatedly praised revolutions and dictatorships, approving them as part of the workings of “the Plan.” In September 1939,[123] she said, “The men who inspired the initiating French revolution; the great conqueror, Napoleon; Bismarck, creator of a nation; Mussolini, the regenerator of his people; Hitler who lifted a distressed people upon his shoulders; Lenin, the idealist, Stalin and Franco” were “great and outstanding personalities who were peculiarly sensitive to the will-to-power and the will-to-change;” all were “expressions of the Shamballa force” (a force which Bailey extolled) and “emphasised increasingly the wider human values.”[124] source
If your not a theosophist already then it sounds like I have found a kindred spirit for you!
Although there are some strings attached of course -
Their prince...who is also the seducing serpent Satan; but that Satan is also Lucifer, the bright angel of Light,
Blavatsky, H.P. (2011-06-20). The Secret Doctrine: All Volumes (Illustrated) (Kindle Locations 15368-15371). . Kindle Edition.
the Astral Light may be God and Devil at once...Lucifer is divine and terrestrial light, the "Holy Ghost" and "Satan," at one and the same time
Blavatsky, H.P. (2011-06-20). The Secret Doctrine: All Volumes (Illustrated) (Kindle Locations 22643-22646). . Kindle Edition.
'the great magic agent ... astral light ... is that which the Church calls Lucifer.' She acknowledges that the Latin scholastics called this entity Satan. Anthropogenesis, Helena Blavatsky, p.511
Spangler says that,
'Lucifer comes to give us the final .. Luciferic initiation .. it is the initiation into the New Age'. He also says that 'Christ is the same force as Lucifer ... Lucifer prepares man for the experience of christhood .... Lucifer works within each one of us to bring us to wholeness as we move into the New Age'.
Reflections of the Christ, David Spangler, pp. 40-44
Sanat Kumara is referred by Theosophist Dane Rudyar as "King Satan."
The true light of Lucifer cannot be seen through sorrow, through darkness, through reflection. The true light of this great being can only be recognized when one's own eyes can see with the light of the Christ, the light of the inner sun. Lucifer works within each of us to bring us to wholeness, and as we move into the New Age, which is the age of man's wholeness, each of us is brought to that point which I term the Luciferic Initiation, the particular doorway through which the individual must pass if he is to come fully into the presence of his light and his wholeness.
Lucifer comes to give us the final gift of wholeness. If we accept it, then he is free and we are free, that is the Luciferic Initiation. It is one that many people now, and in the days ahead, will be facing, for it is an initiation into the New Age.
David Spangler, Reflections on the Christ, Findhorn Lecture Series, 3rd ed., 1981; p. 45
So taking a guess I would say that your probably a low to medium level theosophist...or are you high enough up in theosophy or the OTO to know who you are following
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Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
reply to post by Manunnaki
Whoever the beast and Jesus is, it'll be someone people least expect.
This is more of a misunderstanding of the main parties involved in the Revelation controversy. When people try to identify a single person to be the antichrist who they are really referring to is the dragon (i.e Satan) who will be the actual entity counterfeiting the second coming of Jesus himself. The other parties involved (the beast of the sea who is the Vatican/papal system...the beast of the earth which is America (shadow government ect) ...the false prophet which is apostate protestant churches around the world) are all apart of the mix in helping to either initiate the deception of the dragon, enforce the wishes or laws of the dragon upon the world or helping to deceive their own congregations with false prophetic understandings (or because of the agreements churches have made with the state....e.g clergy response teams and government oversight ect)
The Beast of the sea is not the same as the dragon who will be the actual impostor Christ entity. The other entities involved are types of antichrist but are not the actual being who is the false Christ.
From another post in this thread:
"Revelation 12:17(KJV)
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."
The woman in the above verse is the Seventh Day Adventist Church, and the remnant of her seed are the true end time Bible reading, commandment keeping Christians who have kept away from the corrupting influences of the Vatican.
----My question----
Who said that the "woman" is the Seventh Day Adventist Church. Please show me something that doesn't disconnect.
Which one of these churches accept Jesus as their savior? I think most Churches do, right? So with that, how can any of these Churches be lost? If a Church doesn't do that, then it isn't a Church for me.... So I am confused, can we just get a list of Churches that actually believe in Jesus as their savior and a list of the ones who don't. The ones who don't are lost, right?... going by your posts...
Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
'who done it', so to speak? Then we can all go learn about how they concluded it. (hopeful look)
Just a name.....
I take it that you are unfamiliar with the main topics I have been posting on for most of the last 10 months. As I have maintained countless times, the sea beast of Revelation 13 and the beast on whom the whore rides in Revelation 17 is the Vatican/Papacy.
- i m most sorry.
'Vatican' has nothing to do with this.
the Beast is a Man
or better: Man, ruled completely by Evils energies.
- man ruled through their aura by evil, if you want.
It is sweet yet naive to blame the ' vatican '
the vatican is nothing else but 'Ammon ' [ Ez 21 ]
who, together with edom [ the present false ' little country ' ] destroy the West
Dan 11
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