What Allah says to Christians

reply to post by DarknStormy


This is exactly how I feel. Unfortunately, I'm smack in the "bible belt", and there is only one religion out here...Christianity.

I have trouble accepting the Jesus story as it is told in the New Testament. I would like to go to church, but if I cannot accept Jesus as the Son of God, complete with all the miracles and the raising from the dead, etc., then it's a little hard to sit through the sermons, because I don't believe in the basic premise, which separates Christianity from Islam and Judaism.

Also, the original thought of this thread is interesting. I'm a little tired of people of one religion demonizing another. I would like to know how the other Abrahamic religions think, and what is in their holy books. It's a good thread if you want to know which posters have an agenda and want to slam other religions while holding theirs up as the "true" one.

If a road leads you to God, and you live a good life because of it, it is true. If you choose to pervert that road and take a shortcut which causes you to hurt others, it is false. There is more than one way to God, as well as to hell.

reply to post by FissionSurplus

I would like to know how the other Abrahamic religions think, and what is in their holy books.

Have a look at Karen Armstrong's A History of God; the 4000 year quest of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

Free download at link!!
It's a big book, and a rather slow read - but boy, it sure answers a lot of questions!

I wish people would just stop believing in myths and fairy tales.

Replace "god" or "allah" with Zeus and then see what you think.

reply to post by FissionSurplus


Agreed 100%. I respect people who practice or live for their religion but I cannot bring myself to believe the Jesus story up to a certain point whether its right or wrong. If its right, I go to hell.. If not, then its sort of a "I told you so" thing.. The two main religions are very similar to me when it comes to Jesus and Prophecy etc. If you take out all the bad eggs (extremists, fundamentalists, The Vatican) both have good qualities and it pisses me off that some people will demonise the other, mostly Islam because of their delusional beliefs. A couple tried here but I think in the end great points are made on both sides..

reply to post by wildtimes


Wonderful. Thank you. I really should have taken more world religions classes in college, but I was so heavy into the humanities subjects, and I didn't have an extra year or two, so I'm afraid I fall a little short when it comes to knowledge of this very important subject.

Yes, important. Look at all the wars and idiocy caused by religions.

It reminds me of an anthropology class I took. On day one, the professor asked how many of us had read the bible...all of it, from cover to cover. Not one person could say that they had. He told us that we ought to be ashamed of ourselves, because so many wars and deaths were caused by this book, we should at least be aware of what it says.

reply to post by FissionSurplus


Meh, kids in college who study this stuff don't have the mileage required to really grasp it. I was also a student of Humanities/Liberal Arts, and only recently (since I turned 50) started re-reading the stuff I was assigned to read in "Western Civ."

It takes a certain maturity, in my opinion, to get the gist of things as deep as philosophy and religious constructs.
Hope you enjoy it!!

Originally posted by pjhead1
I wish people would just stop believing in myths and fairy tales.

Replace "god" or "allah" with Zeus and then see what you think.

When you can piece certain things together then the Myth side really does disappear quickly. The question is whether you try or not..

reply to post by DarknStormy

When you can piece certain things together then the Myth side really does disappear quickly.

I'm not quite sure what you mean here; could you expound a bit, please?

reply to post by FissionSurplus


We could be in the middle of one of those wars right now and we wouldn't know it.. I tend to lean more towards the end time prophecy even though I have had a good stab at reading all the bible.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by DarknStormy

 

When you can piece certain things together then the Myth side really does disappear quickly.

I'm not quite sure what you mean here; could you expound a bit, please?

I'm basically talking about Islamic eschatology and how it can be used in the modern day and how it possibly has predicted a very long term prophecy which is still unfolding now. I'm not saying its true but the guy I learnt it from is very convincing..

reply to post by logical7

The difference between Islam and Christianity is that Christianity properly understood does not think of God as separate (transcendent only), and considers the human being to be a reflection of God (made in the image of God ie: consciously aware) and made to contain even in fullness, the spirit of God whereby God is spirit and truth. The only submission involved with Christianity is that of the ego to the spirit (in death and resurrection) with Christ himself as the gateway to eternal life, in God (holy of holies). To attempt to nullify this is to argue for separation. The most important and vital factor of Christianity is what it says about us as children of a loving God with Jesus Christ as our elder brother.

reply to post by logical7


I couldn't care less what allah has to say to me.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Are you in any way aware of how your posts are portraying you lately?

It's disturbing. I know we don't get along, but I just wanted to "chasten" you, like a good Christian would do (right?), and let you know that from what you've been posting lately it appears that you are full of hate and anger, bitterness and angst.

If that is the case (which only you can determine, with introspection) I hope it works out for you, but...
just sayin'.

Christians will just quote John 3:16 which means no Muslim will ever reach eternal life.....


....and so the debate goes on.

reply to post by wildtimes

Are you in any way aware of how your posts are portraying you lately?

Why should I care now? What's special about today?

t appears that you are full of hate and anger, bitterness and angst.

No, just flippant. I'm in a great mood today.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Nothing except that I've noticed a decline in your attitude, and a lot of hate.
Make of it what you will. I know my opinion and observations don't mean anything to you, but felt like stating them anyway.
Carry on!


Mmm...
edit to reply to edit:
Sarcasm is a BLOCK TO COMMUNICATION.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Nothing except that I've noticed a decline in your attitude, and a lot of hate.
Make of it what you will. I know my opinion and observations don't mean anything to you, but felt like stating them anyway.
Carry on!

What "hate"?



In this case I'm flippant and without care. That's not "hate" by anyone's definition of the word.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Why should I care now? What's special about today?

No, just flippant. I'm in a great mood today.

Happy for ya. So, disrespect and alienation are "Christ-like" behaviors, then? In your book?

Hmmm. I thought the Abrahamic religions all agreed that their God is the same one. It's just the stories that they disagree about.
Obkb then.

reply to post by logical7


Funny. Allah is not addressed in the Bible, because he was made up after the fact. Jesus Christ has to be mentioned in the Koran because he is the Alpha and the Omega, he has been present since before the beginning. Elohim cares not what your false god says.

reply to post by DarknStormy


The story of God sending his son to be sacrificed to save the world is repeated in many other religions and it kind of makes me think that the early Roman Empire simply put Jesus' persona on their original beliefs. The Egyptians had a similar tale as well. It's funny because a Muslim friend of mind mentioned that in the Quran it says that the Christians are imitating the statements of those before. The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah curse them; how are they deluded? 9:30