On Revolt and Civil War

Hi folks!
I don't really want to get too thick, or too much in depth here, but I probably will by default.

With all the rhetoric we hear from different quarters, it does in fact seem that we are headed for some very destructive and negative stuff, that it almost seems it could happen any moment with the right group jumping at exactly the wrong time, believing they are in the right.

I absolutely do not want anything to happen to us in general. Neither would I have it be a seemingly obvious Anti-American packed Government who would love to destroy the culture and relative peace that we have had for so many decades, nor a group of self described patriots that are convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that the former must be eliminated.

Let me qualify that if anything completely devastating does come, I will stand solid with "we the people" against all comers. Americanism must prevail and our true ideology must survive as had been envisioned from the beginning.

If there was to be some cockamamie NWO,it would be better that it all became an American world rather than this cosmo european, possibly stalinistic socialistic stuff I keep hearing. Don't forget that our founders specifically avoided any mirroring of any european governmental entities on purpose and with good reasoning processes to back them up.

But let's go beyond that for a moment. Let's do an intellectual exercise here, if we can. Take the assumption:

Assume: That there really is a small nucleus of people with enough money and power via connections and ect., that are rabidly doing a full court press on the American public and have been working on their plans for many years and are at a point where they could actually succeed nearly overnight with any number scenarios that you can imagine. They have worked hard to separate, deny, divide, disrupt and destroy the American way of life in order for them to obtain and distribute power in the way they choose. ASSUME further, that it is true that annihilation of much of the population is also their goal.


Then, based on those assumptions, it seems to follow that they have created a situation that to them sounds like a Win-Win situation whether they can actually get the military and police to do their dirty work for them, or they can get all of us divided and angry enough to actually get the guns out and go to town on one another.

It follows from that, that it seems no matter what happens, WE and I would dare say, humanity in general, loses.

30 or 40 years ago, (YES I am old enough) we would never have had any serious discussions about things like this. ALL politicians with Anti-America sentiments would be rooted out and actually taken care of. A punch in the face would be the bare minimum of that. Any discussions like this would be worthy of rauchous laughter. But these days, it actually takes on these serious qualities.

My opinion is that we do not want either scenario that I postulated above, but that we'd all be much happier and remain so getting back to how we normally live no matter WHAT our detractors think about it. Those who don't like our lifestyle and would rather make something else out of us are simply mentally disturbed. Some of the planners might actually BE genius level thinkers, but some where they took a left turn toward the Dark Side. I cannot seem to put it any nicer than that, and this is coming to you from a guy who believes that "political correctness" is a false doctrine created to, and successfully I might add, confound the fools and help make blithering idiots out of us all.

I would be up for some modern day McCarthy accusing people of being Anti-American and putting the pressure on those enemies of the state.

I SO want a peaceful resolution of all of this, but because of the regular use of the fallacies and the appeal to the emotional non thought of so many of us, I am not sure that we can convince people to settle down and try to think rationally.

Don't forget that 'emotionalism' and 'rationalism' are two separate words in the dictionary, which means they are not the same thing and in fact it turns out, they are mutually exclusive "thought" processes.

We are riddled with fake fear, fake humility, false toleration quotients,and a healthy fear of calling a spade a spade. Those who perform actions that are opposite of the American life style are by definition, Anti-Americans and we need to ratchet THAT rhetoric up in the hope that it may help open the eyes of the current fence sitters, unaware and oblivious folk, and the sleepwalker types that simply aren't paying attention in the Fantasy Island Realm that "everything's ok", because it isn't. The Europeans are getting their revenge on us that they have ALWAYS wanted, with the help of gullible, the greedy for money and power, and the naive here at home. Check History.

I just don't want the violent part to come at all, but any side can start it. For them, it is easy to create a false scenario. For us, it would have to be more direct, but in any case, it is wrong because of the ensuing HELL that comes with it. It is criminal on BOTH sides and fronts.

I don't like the notion that we have truly become a nation of cowards, morons and fools, but it IS what I conclude and I will stick to that until I see some general change in our collective psyche.

Punish for making a poptart look like a gun? Punish the innocent? Claim that being an American has something wrong with that? Shred the constitution, when most people are not really very familiar with it? Vets are possible terrorists??? Cannot determine actual difficulties?

Don't forget that those who are clever enough to get you to actually BELIEVE such absurdities can also get you to commit grand atrocities.

WTF is this?

I curse those who make me feel that I must keep the musket clean and oiled and the saber sharp. I'd rather they simply hung on the wall as conversation pieces, rusting away to nothing.

How can we put an end to this moronic nonsense?

Sounds to me like a piece of paranoid nationalism.
Not much to do with the noble philosophy of the "Founding Fathers," which found true sympathies in revolutionary France, and vice versa. This piece would not have.
You think the Constitution is about some piece of land?

There's 70+ million Baby Boomers in America....all about to kick the bucket.
There's still about 15 million OLDER than Baby Boomers....all about to kick the bucket.


America's about to lose +1/3rd of its population over the coming months.

Latino's become the majority and the World Forever Changes.....they'll do quick work of wiping away the last of the white people in North America.....The English language probably has another good 10-20 years and it won't even exist anymore.

Seriously.......that BaseBall game between Canada and Mexico that just had all those fights break out that just happened......Tip of the Iceburg.....Latino's are going to take their thrown by force.

Help them by supporting more Gun Bans and Firearm Laws to disarm the last of the white folk......

It'll make the last stages much easier for the Latino Mafia's / Drug Cartels.

reply to post by akalepos


Op, any chance for sanity, ir a peaceful resolution flew out the window when they elected to great divider/ nobel peace lauriet/ one of the most influential people in sports, barrack obama/ barry sortoro.

If youhavent noticed it yet, a full blown war has been declared already, and the american people are the target.

I have enumerated these problems many times in the past here on ats, and will not bang my head against a wall further.

Suffice to say the ancients had it right, and have known these people for all of time, hence the phrase " sic semper tyrannis".

Thus always I rip off tyrants lives!

And " molon labe" , come and take, or come and get.

And " paratus sum" , I am ready, or I am prepared.

Like it says in my avi, if they want my guns, come and get them, I am ready!

This is the only dialect they comprehend, power. I have the power to enforce the law, as I will have my rights, and woe unto any who wants to come try and deny them to me. As I will have words and as much else as needed before they take what is mine, as I am not beholden to relinquish them, by hook or by crook, by the word, or by the sword.


Some of us, know what is worth living for, and it aint internet and iphones.

Originally posted by Kokatsi
Sounds to me like a piece of paranoid nationalism.
Not much to do with the noble philosophy of the "Founding Fathers," which found true sympathies in revolutionary France, and vice versa. This piece would not have.
You think the Constitution is about some piece of land?

Thank you for your childish, and somewhat irrelevant, response.

Are you one of the local TROLLS?

Originally posted by Pervius
There's 70+ million Baby Boomers in America....all about to kick the bucket.
There's still about 15 million OLDER than Baby Boomers....all about to kick the bucket.


America's about to lose +1/3rd of its population over the coming months.

Latino's become the majority and the World Forever Changes.....they'll do quick work of wiping away the last of the white people in North America.....The English language probably has another good 10-20 years and it won't even exist anymore.

Seriously.......that BaseBall game between Canada and Mexico that just had all those fights break out that just happened......Tip of the Iceburg.....Latino's are going to take their thrown by force.

Help them by supporting more Gun Bans and Firearm Laws to disarm the last of the white folk......

It'll make the last stages much easier for the Latino Mafia's / Drug Cartels.

So are you saying we're all on the verge of dying off anyway? Haha! Fair point.

Actually, I hope that if things really do go awry, that I will already be gone. I don't want to have to go through all that. I didn't do anything to get all these people riled up.

It's so bad around here that people are talking about making note of the lowlifers and slimeballs around here (according to them) and the discussion is that if chaos really comes, they are going to kill them off to help preserve resources and get rid of them permanently so that after all the dust and smoke clears the rest of them can proceed without them. Not a bad idea, to clean house locally.

Just look at the thought processes. It's both terrible and pathetic.

What sort of solution would you suggest that is short of real hostilities?

Originally posted by inverslyproportional
reply to post by akalepos

 

Op, any chance for sanity, ir a peaceful resolution flew out the window when they elected to great divider/ nobel peace lauriet/ one of the most influential people in sports, barrack obama/ barry sortoro.

If youhavent noticed it yet, a full blown war has been declared already, and the american people are the target.

I have enumerated these problems many times in the past here on ats, and will not bang my head against a wall further.

Suffice to say the ancients had it right, and have known these people for all of time, hence the phrase " sic semper tyrannis".

Thus always I rip off tyrants lives!

And " molon labe" , come and take, or come and get.

And " paratus sum" , I am ready, or I am prepared.

Like it says in my avi, if they want my guns, come and get them, I am ready!

This is the only dialect they comprehend, power. I have the power to enforce the law, as I will have my rights, and woe unto any who wants to come try and deny them to me. As I will have words and as much else as needed before they take what is mine, as I am not beholden to relinquish them, by hook or by crook, by the word, or by the sword.


Some of us, know what is worth living for, and it aint internet and iphones.

edit on 10-3-2013 by inverslyproportional because: (no reason given)

I really wish that things did not have the appearance that they have. If we could only inspire those lawyers in our society that have at least SOME time and funding to begin pushing back legally with a full court press of their own, perhaps, but not guaranteed, we can start eliminating what seems to be negative actions on the part of some.

Go easy on yourself, bud. They aren't coming yet!

What sort of rational and proper solutions would any of you folks suggest?

Suppose the assumptions are true, then what sort of things ought we do legally and rationally to put and end to the silliness?

Originally posted by akalepos
What sort of rational and proper solutions would any of you folks suggest?

Suppose the assumptions are true, then what sort of things ought we do legally and rationally to put and end to the silliness?

Well we are suppossed to be able to vote these douche bags out, and vote good leadership in, but the only people that ever make the ballot are tye same swine we want out, so voting is worthless. For proof of this, google ron paul getting screwed at the rnp, a clear majority didnt want romney, as he is just another yes man, with no intention of doing what is right.

So many, in their infinite " wisdom???? " thought it better to vote for the devil they know ( obama) instead of the devil they dont (romney).

There is only one course to fix things, and it isnt one most even want to contemplate, as they arent yet starving to eeath, or havent been forced into a slave worker program yet.

It has never ended peacefully in favor of the many, it only ever helps the people after they have to shed and lose blood, to make their point that they have trully had enough, only then do those greedy tyrants dissapear for a couple generations, before starting back over again.

Look at the arab spring, many would have you believe they changed their governments for tue better peacefully, butif that were true, than why are they all still burning down their countries protesting?

It takes a violent uprising to force a tyrant from power, as none ever leave on their own, unless forced out, by a more powerful tyrant, or the people, whichever happens first.

I dont think I am being to critical here, I think I am simply calling it how I see it today, and basing ky assertions on well established history lessons, which we as humans, seem to forget all too soon, before we run right back down the same road again.

Originally posted by inverslyproportional

Originally posted by akalepos
What sort of rational and proper solutions would any of you folks suggest?

Suppose the assumptions are true, then what sort of things ought we do legally and rationally to put and end to the silliness?

Well we are suppossed to be able to vote these douche bags out, and vote good leadership in, but the only people that ever make the ballot are tye same swine we want out, so voting is worthless. For proof of this, google ron paul getting screwed at the rnp, a clear majority didnt want romney, as he is just another yes man, with no intention of doing what is right.

So many, in their infinite " wisdom???? " thought it better to vote for the devil they know ( obama) instead of the devil they dont (romney).

There is only one course to fix things, and it isnt one most even want to contemplate, as they arent yet starving to eeath, or havent been forced into a slave worker program yet.

It has never ended peacefully in favor of the many, it only ever helps the people after they have to shed and lose blood, to make their point that they have trully had enough, only then do those greedy tyrants dissapear for a couple generations, before starting back over again.

Look at the arab spring, many would have you believe they changed their governments for tue better peacefully, butif that were true, than why are they all still burning down their countries protesting?

It takes a violent uprising to force a tyrant from power, as none ever leave on their own, unless forced out, by a more powerful tyrant, or the people, whichever happens first.

I dont think I am being to critical here, I think I am simply calling it how I see it today, and basing ky assertions on well established history lessons, which we as humans, seem to forget all too soon, before we run right back down the same road again.

Your answer and suggestion isn't exactly pleasing, or as I would normally say: "edifying", but perhaps you are absolutely right.

Most people are completely disgusted with the voting process and this is reflected in voter turn out numbers.

But I would suggest that it isn't the voting process at all. Way too long we have been snookered by people who have sweet sounding platforms, who really go off on their own "schemes of injustice" ala Madison and Jay comments, once they get what they were after.

The federalist papers warn about people who are willing to say anything in order to obtain the suffrage (votes) of the people only to take a left turn as they pursue their own private interests once in office. They warned us to watch out for those people, and get rid of them, and we have not done a very good job at that.

Quite frankly when Elmer Fudd (George Bush jr.) got reelected, I felt badly for the mental capacity of what appeared to be the majority of Americans. Did they vote for him because he seemed like "one of them"?

I was wondering if we can demand some sort of recall system where any Governor, on any given day, can call an errant Congressman or Senator and demand his appearance before the state legislature within 48 hours in order to account for his vote that went contrary to the general will of his home state. And that the specific legislature can summarily fire that person, if he cannot sufficiently explain and excuse him/herself, and send a replacement who WILL vote in concert with the attitude of his home state, and that further, any such person fired from the job either be disallowed the wasteful "pension" they would receive from the federal government, or be fined an equivalent amount that would take that amount and place it in the state coffers, permanently and completely, instead of allowing someone to profit from his/her own iniquity.

So, bud, our problem is being able to identify these "Douche bags" and simply not vote for them. That's the tough part when they are busy telling you exactly what you want to hear. These people have the morals of a mule.

Originally posted by inverslyproportional

Originally posted by akalepos
What sort of rational and proper solutions would any of you folks suggest?

Suppose the assumptions are true, then what sort of things ought we do legally and rationally to put and end to the silliness?

Well we are suppossed to be able to vote these douche bags out, and vote good leadership in, but the only people that ever make the ballot are tye same swine we want out, so voting is worthless. For proof of this, google ron paul getting screwed at the rnp, a clear majority didnt want romney, as he is just another yes man, with no intention of doing what is right.

So many, in their infinite " wisdom???? " thought it better to vote for the devil they know ( obama) instead of the devil they dont (romney).

There is only one course to fix things, and it isnt one most even want to contemplate, as they arent yet starving to eeath, or havent been forced into a slave worker program yet.

It has never ended peacefully in favor of the many, it only ever helps the people after they have to shed and lose blood, to make their point that they have trully had enough, only then do those greedy tyrants dissapear for a couple generations, before starting back over again.

Look at the arab spring, many would have you believe they changed their governments for tue better peacefully, butif that were true, than why are they all still burning down their countries protesting?

It takes a violent uprising to force a tyrant from power, as none ever leave on their own, unless forced out, by a more powerful tyrant, or the people, whichever happens first.

I dont think I am being to critical here, I think I am simply calling it how I see it today, and basing ky assertions on well established history lessons, which we as humans, seem to forget all too soon, before we run right back down the same road again.

I got you here. I really DO.

I just want to suggest that we take John Locke's advice and exhaust all legal avenues and appeals until IN FACT there is no appeal left BUT the "Appeal to Heaven"

Originally posted by akalepos

Originally posted by Kokatsi
Sounds to me like a piece of paranoid nationalism.
Not much to do with the noble philosophy of the "Founding Fathers," which found true sympathies in revolutionary France, and vice versa. This piece would not have.
You think the Constitution is about some piece of land?

Thank you for your childish, and somewhat irrelevant, response.

Are you one of the local TROLLS?

edit on 10-3-2013 by akalepos because: (no reason given)

Neither local, nor troll.
I was scared of a future "Americanism" in 1987 already - years before I took the oath to become a citizen.
I swore allegiance to the Constitution and the principles of equality and justice for all, not to a piece of land or an ethnic group.
Sorry.
The term scares me.
It is nationalism - pure and simple.
We have seen where it leads to.

You think "it can't happen here"? It is already happening.

I was scared of a future "Americanism" in 1987 already - years before I took the oath to become a citizen.
I swore allegiance to the Constitution and the principles of equality and justice for all, not to a piece of land or an ethnic group.
Sorry.
The term scares me.
It is nationalism - pure and simple.
We have seen where it leads to.

You think "it can't happen here"? It is already happening.

Ok. I can understand that.

I am not sure that nationalism is a thing that anyone ought to be afraid of, so I do misunderstand what you're getting at.

I know that the globalist platform has as one of it's goals is to sort of destroy or dismantle the nation state as a way to force everyone to be on the same page. In other words, eventually there might not be a Germany or Greece, and that sort of thing.

I can't agree with that notion.

Each of these cultural and language groups are entitled naturally, I think, to bond together and stay that way. The only difficulty I see is if those differences and and angry attitude behind it creates war between cultures simply because of the differences.

My idea of any "nationalistic" attitude here would serve the purpose of reestablishing our country and culture as it has been at the peaceful parts. I am not suggesting that somehow we backslide to former days that were not so cool. We need NO racial or sexual disharmony or anything like that, we just need to get off this drama queen Uber over reacting to "everything" and work ourselves back to the position where rationality is respected and used among the populace. I am a kid from the 50s and 60s and all I am saying that the "ugly parts" of what was happening aside, our collective stress level was better and the REAL social advances we have made were way overdue in the first place. Yet it seems like some group of people are not satisfied with our culture and customs and want to make us something else.

The man that wants to punish a kid over a poptart child thing NEEDS A PSYCHIATRIST, NOT a position of Power. THAT buffoon and the others like him MUST GO.


I would suggest that no REAL American would do that. Not ever. And YES... YOU are included as a REAL American. I don't mean to seem too arbitrary. I just thought originally that all you wanted to do was detract and confuse any positive direction the discussion would have gone. That is exactly what Trolls do, so I DO apologize for calling you a Troll.


So please explain your concern for the type of nationalism that makes you nervous.

You and I may not be talking about the same type, as we probably differ by degree.

I do not see that the nationalistic attitude that we had during the cold war was all that bad. I had to do the Nuke drills like everyone else. But it didn't particularly lead to much devastation. It just sort of kept us together and oriented.

That is all I would propose. To add to that I would say that the crippling psychological value of "political correctness" has exacerbated the situation by not allowing people to speak of things in proper terms. These Anti-Americans, as I like to call them, are just that. So some of THAT brainwashing has done it's job. We must both SHUCK and COUNTER it.

How are they Anti-Americans? View their actions.

I am NOT suggesting that we become as bad as Nazi Germany on OUR side, because then, we could easily pick out the wrong people to call "enemy" or what ever. I am just saying that we need to block and dissuade those who seem to have an Anti-American sentiment and are busy attempting to utilize Anti_American policies.

But I think that I can see that it absolutely could get completely out of control and grow into some sort of Monster. BUT if leaders of cooler heads arise to the fore front, we can keep something reasonable happening without it getting out of control.

I really cannot sign off on ANY group who is willing to tear everything to shreds. Not at all.

Civil War and utter Chaos is NOT what we need or want. But if it is the case that the government would be utilized to subvert and destroy America as we know if for their own satisfaction and insanity, it would be better for US to start shooting them first. I would suggest, based on Military experience, that we go for ALL of the leadership, if that's what it would take to stop the nonsense and find our way back to our former equilibrium.

As much as the suggestion is not very edifying or magnificent for us, the Bilderberg people that you may or may not recognize as existent are at the exact top of the list.

edit on 12-3-2013 by akalepos because: sp