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Originally posted by Fevrier
Glad to be of service.
There is also no "genuine true self" within karma. A discussion of "true self" is extremely complicated, and would benefit absolutely nobody here, since there is nobody here who has broken the bounds of karma, thus nobody here to understand such a discussion. But I can tell you that someone who has seen some degree of fundamental nature and opened the middle heart (a prerequisite for enlightenment and, from the perspective of a human being, a terrifying experience) does not throw around concepts of true self, and certainly doesn't do it so lightly.
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by Fevrier
Thanks for the link will take a close look at it.
But something you said struck me in terms of what doesn't or cannot work ie: a rational attitude.
I've become convinced through recent studying of a certain "argument" and criticism of conventional or traditional spiritual pursuits that indeed there is a type of logical "wedge" of reason capable of causing the egoic, separative self to surrender in a type of wonderful joke to be had at it's own expense the very nature of which IS the realization of liberation.
I don't know if I can yet put this argument into a language framework, but I know there is one.
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by Fevrier
Thanks for the link will take a close look at it.
But something you said struck me in terms of what doesn't or cannot work ie: a rational attitude.
I've become convinced through recent studying of a certain "argument" and criticism of conventional or traditional spiritual pursuits that indeed there is a type of logical "wedge" of reason capable of causing the egoic, separative self to surrender in a type of wonderful joke to be had at it's own expense the very nature of which IS the realization of liberation.
I don't know if I can yet put this argument into a language framework, but I know there is one.
Originally posted by dodol
Originally posted by Fevrier
You should worry about your own cultivation before you start painting pictures about enlightening the whole world.
If the whole world could be enlightened like that, it would already be. The Buddhas of all the universes would simply manifest here and enlighten everyone.
That's not how it works. There is a tremendous amount of karma at work here, and that karma IS, in fact, the world itself, and the people themselves.
All that you see around you which is ugly and wrong and inhuman and contrary to growth of any kind, IS the current karma of this world.
So how will you be able to change that. You cannot even begin to think of a way of reaching all these people. They all have different ways of even being physically reached, according to their karma. Then, once you are physically able to speak to them, they all have different delusions and different karma according to which they will or will not be able to practice.
You are tying yourself to the general population of the world, and in so doing, you share their fate.
Instead, cultivate, grow until you are no longer so deeply bound to the general ignorance, and then see what you can do around you. There is a lot of good to be done in small things, medium things, and big things, once the small and the medium propagate enough so that your power and effectiveness grow. And these things are in your immediate vicinity, or whenever you may travel.
But if you attach yourself to the concept of "everything", and solving everything, you are simply tying your own negative karma to a much larger, and probably much more negative karmic process.
How will that end?
New agers, which you mention, do little more than spread feel-good memes, conceptual processes with little power to empty anyone's karma and put them on a path of real growth. Is this a good thing? Honestly, no, as long as the fundamental level of the new age culture is not high enough (and it is very low, from a spiritual cultivation point of view) - it is like watering a plant that has been thrown out onto the concrete in the middle of a hot day. Sure, the water makes the plant feel better, but by the end of the day, it will be dead anyway.
And Buddhism is not confined to forest and monasteries. You just got access to a Buddhist sutra in the middle of a conspiracy forum, but instead of learning, you choose to involve yourself with your own conceptual practice, and go back to your belief that Buddhism lives in forests and monasteries.
Originally posted by dodol
edit on 9-3-2013 by Fevrier because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Fevrier
With clear consciousness, you can focus your mindfulness on mental qualities, you can finally turn your mindfulness towards its source, and become mindful of the mind itself.
In doing so, you let go of thoughts, of concepts, of everything - BUT NOW YOU CAN, because you have samadhi and everything is so stable and clear. You can literally see the consciousness structures as they come and go, thoughts as they come and go, emotions as they come and go.
And as the space element purifies, and conception is broken, the heart finally opens, and one can see the permanent aspect of the universe. At this point, one has very stable samadhi, and can take one's practice into the world, as it is no longer dependent on seclusion and sitting down and meditating. And as one works with concentration and heart, and further purifies the elements, the earth element also begins to change - the thought/emotion/process/clinging structures that held it forever impure are now transforming, so the earth element of the body also transforms.
But this is the level of a Bodhisattva, and of no direct concern to us. These are the 10 Bodhisattva Bhumis, and Bhumi literally means earth. The 10th Bhumi, right before a Bodhisattva becomes a Buddha, is ultimately stable, and this is the quality of earth - its stability and endurance.
The functions that a Bodhisattva can fulfill within any universe are endless, so a high level Bodhisattva could explain the cultivation matrix of Anapana endlessly, applying its mindfulness-concentration-equanimity-knowing process to absolutely any situation any being might encounter.edit on 8-3-2013 by Fevrier because: (no reason given)