Explosion in Great Pyramid... Is this the 'Smoking Gun'?

I've also read some interesting and well reasoned papers suggesting this is water damage from full and partial submersion, depending on location. Not only do some suggest the Pyramids are much older than commonly repeated now but that they've also been witness to a flood in their past. An extended and, obviously, catastrophic flood. Who knows about these things?

I feel pretty strongly that there is still far more below the surface of where excavating has reached than has been located above it and in exposed layers. I think that's an ancient site ...with layers upon layers and people have only found the first one or two. Generations in the future will learn those answers, I'd imagine.

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In a word - preposterous~!!!

Originally posted by POXUSA
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In a word - preposterous~!!!

Hi POXUSA,

Alas, merely saying something is “preposterous” will not actually make it so. You can only hope to do that with evidence.

But what does the evidence tell us? Well it says:

It is not preposterous to state that there is damage to the walls and ceiling of the King’s Chamber.

It is not preposterous to state that the pyramids contained vast quantities of various grains (and other items). We only have to consider the vast quantities of grains (and other seed types) found under and around the Step Pyramid complex at Saqqara. Indeed, the early explorers of this pyramid had to wade through long, underground passages that were filled ankle-deep with all manner of grain and decayed grain sacks.

It is not preposterous to state that the chambers of the pyramids are confined spaces.

It is not preposterous to state that grain dust, oxygen and a naked flame in a confined space can create powerful explosions.

Given the above, I do not consider it at all "preposterous" to suggest that this may well have been the scenario that ultimately led to the damage observed today in the King’s Chamber.

So, “preposterous” – I beg to differ.

Regards,

SC

Hydrogen explosion ?

I've heard quite plausible theories that the great Gizah Pyramid might have served the purpose of generating electricity, using Zinc and Hydrochloric Acid in order to produce hydrogen.

Sounds like crop circle shenanegans to me. Those UFOs that swirl shapes into grain fields using high power magnetic steaming technology, the ones that built the pyramids (that it was Egyptians is debateable - they could be pre-Egyptian) could have been using something special that had backfired.

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Sorry, but the "grain explosion theory" doesn't hold up for me. I am however, inclined to believe that the pyramid was built as some sort of energy receiving/producing device and that the pyramid abnormalities in question are more likely the result of long term exposure to intense heat.

The first thing I would point out about an explosion generated by dust, such as the one demonstrated in the video posted by "Klassified," is just how fast it happens. No particular part of the confinement area is exposed to the heat for a period long enough to discolor the walls. In other words, the clear material utilized to construct the miniature grain elevator used in the demonstration video was still transparent after the explosion. On the other hand, we all know what happens to a shiny steel fire poker after repeated use and exposure to intense heat, it turns brown or black like the granite in the King's Chamber.

I might also mention that, during my career as a longshoreman in the Port of Corpus Christi, I personally witnessed several grain elevator explosions. In 1981 we had one that left 10 dead and 26 injured, including a friend of mine, Kevin Saunders. Once I even had one in the hold of the cargo ship while loading grain with a trimming machine but because of the fact that the ship's hold was open at the time, it blew right out the top and no one was injured. It's almost like a flash bulb going off in your face, it's really fast. My point is that in all that time, I never once noticed any discoloration of any surfaces involved in a grain elevator blast except for the areas surrounding lingering fires that were present after the blast.

F&S for the thread though, it's always good when someone presents evidence to bring about discussion that will help people come to the final realization that the Great Pyramid was not built to serve as a tomb. That would be like us building the Hoover Dam to serve as a tomb, kinda silly isn't it? On the other hand, we did build it (Hoover Dam) to generate energy didn't we?

Thanks for the thread.

Do we have any information on why the box in the King's Chamber is cracked? There's a pretty big hunk missing out of it (and no top covering either). It doesn't appear that tomb robbers would ever have needed to pry open the thing.

I'm ascribing to the theory that the chamber was an initiation site into the ancient secrets, as discussed in the thread I started about 'Napoleon's night in the King's Chamber'.

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What if the pyramid was not used to store grain at all, but grain dust was used to create energy by causing explosions inside the pyramid and one explosion simply got out of hand... NOT PREPOSTERUS AT ALL I SAY!

Hello Scott etc, there's a v interesting new contribution to yr discussion in a recent book called BEFORE THE DELUSION BY wm Gleeson. Its on websites.
The author agrees and documents the 'explosion' in the King's chamber and puts fwd a radically new explanation...but that would be stealing his story. Looks whacky but is very well documented and has good reviews. Worth a look. Michael C

I was in Egypt in 1992--and there was an earthquake in Egypt in that year; they closed the step pyramid afterward...

en.wikipedia.org...

Im happy to attribute the cracks to seismic activity. If nobody noticed the cracks prior to 92, given that thousands of people visit the site daily, Id say that they were caused at that time.

The earthquake theory is pure bunkum. The cracks were noticed and documented by Flinders-Petrie in the 1890s, Actually they are not just 'cracks' - the ceiling beams are lifted by about 75 mm. The whole chamber is slightly distorted and expanded - as if it contained an explosive force.
How would an earthquake expand an internal chamber?
How would it do it selectively - so that the adjacent entrance passage and the extremely complex engineering of the ascending Grand Gallery are in pristine condition. Untouched.
That's a very selective earthquake.
M Collins

Originally posted by MichaelCollins096
The earthquake theory is pure bunkum. The cracks were noticed and documented by Flinders-Petrie in the 1890s,

Source? Im interested as the OP states the cracks were not noticed until 92

Actually they are not just 'cracks' - the ceiling beams are lifted by about 75 mm. The whole chamber is slightly distorted and expanded - as if it contained an explosive force.
How would an earthquake expand an internal chamber?
How would it do it selectively - so that the adjacent entrance passage and the extremely complex engineering of the ascending Grand Gallery are in pristine condition. Untouched.
That's a very selective earthquake.
M Collins

The weakest point in a square base pyramid is the center of the bottom face--if seismic activity caused the terrain below the bottom face to drop it would effect the structure, causing it to sag slightly in the centre. Perhaps its not the beams that were lifted, perhaps its the chamber had dropped by 75mm

Re chamber expansion. The movement of the ceiling beams was recorded by Petrie late 1800s in Petrie, W.M.F. Pyramids and Temples of Gizeh, 80, 93. He recorded that the chamber walls had moved [expanded?] and the ceiling beams had moved by 3 inches [sic]...which he attributed to 'subsidence' ....following the earlier [erroneous] records of Howard Vyse [Vyse, H. Operations carried out at the pyramids of Giza. 1840. II] which attributed the movement to the 'superincumbent weight' of the masonery above.
Those refs are all from Gleeson's 'Before The Delusion' which has a good discussion on the subject
Rgds MC

grain?
I find that hard to understand..
mice, cockroaches over the years would have eatn all that..

Originally posted by Lil Drummerboy
grain?
I find that hard to understand..
mice, cockroaches over the years would have eatn all that..

Hi Lil Drummerboy,

During the early explorations of the underground passages, chambers and galleries of the Step Pyramid complex at Saqqara in the early 20th century, Egyptologists (known back then as Antiquarians) found massive quantities of wheat, barley and other seed types such as grape, tomato, linseed etc in the galleries and passages of this pyramid. Under this pyramid complex are quite literally kilometers of passageways (some of which have, even to this day, never been explored) and in parts of them these early explorers had to wade ankle-deep through various grains. In addition, an astonishing 40,000 pots, vases and other vessels (for storage/distribution) of grain were discovered in the galleries under this pyramid complex.

The point is, this grain and the storage/distribution vessels had survived for over 4,500 years without being eaten by mice, cockroaches etc.

So they found massive amounts of grain and storage/distribution vessels but they never found an AE king.

Regards,

SC[

Hi SC, that's interesting. Had read about the pots but didn't realise they were full of grains - take yr word for that.
Another related point is that 'modern' explorers [1880s] often commented that food left in pyramids did not deteriorate ??? [anecdotal?] And there was no widlife - spiders, insects, rats etc - except, oddly, bats. There were bats.
Don't know what all that means? Rgds MC

Source of explosions around the King's Chamber.

In the 1830's..

Colonel Vyse found a crack in the ceiling of Davison's chamber. He inserted a reed 3 feet long into the crack and it went through unimpeded. He suspected the presence of another chamber above. Unfortunately, the granite stone was too hard and the chisel's had little effect. He had special workman come in and try their hand but to no effect. Colonel Vyse than decided to use gunpowder. After blasting his way through, he discovered above Davison's chamber another relieving chamber which he named Wellington's chamber.

Colonel Vyse kept blasting away over a period of months and found the other chambers above. Three more were found above the two already discovered.

Source

While the gun powder blasting over a period of months did not collapse the chambers above the King's Chamber, it would however, have been a contributing factor for the cause of the cracks in the King's Chamber below.

hi. i read everything here since it was only 2 pages.

i'm not qualified with engineering or physics but i agree with the belligerent line of thought so far.
i think the ancients had an entirely different understanding of what we call science (engineering, physics, etc)
anyone with a keen understanding of 'sacred geometry' could maybe fill in a few blanks for us here.

..these things are not 'tombs' for dead guys.

it seems to be some kind of "power generating" structure (all shapes are accumulators of energy) ..although what that power actually is? ..in a similar way to how there are modern-day 'gimmicks' such as magnetic mattresses that supposedly help with arthritis (etc) i think we're dealing with something similar but much more concentrated, if you know what i mean. i also think this probably has something to do with the constant 'initiation' references in that chamber.

if we also consider the actual site itself and the properties inherent (from say, a geological point of view, or an engineering point of view) new questions will emerge.. we could also take into account the actual building materials used (the material that remains and the material that no longer remains) and ask new questions.
..this is what i mean, the more info you start gleaning from the earth sciences the more you start seeing it encoded in various facets of the pyramids - this is something beyond the scope of joe public.

i don't think the conventional established way of things is ready for this kind of stuff yet.. i think ultimately this leads to something like ayahuasca but on a grand scale, if we take into account all the supposed 'miraculous' powers and events of all these 'kooky' things associated with the pyramids (UFO's, ET's, atlantis, etc) it all starts to make a strange kind of sense.. heh. i think this is where people like Tesla and Leedskanlen probably could have taken us (as far as this 'technology' could have been used in conjunction with the human energy field).

i think this is all part of a type of physics(?) that is literally 'light years' ahead of conventional thinking.
/shrug

I think the Great Pyramid was a giant alien robot turd.


Sorry, I thought this was the thread to dump one's naval lint.


I think the "grain storage" idea is less crazy than most, but there is so little space in the GP that it really doesn't make sense to think the GP was built to store grain.

Originally posted by Orphia Nay
I think the Great Pyramid was a giant alien robot turd.


I think the "grain storage" idea is less crazy than most, but there is so little space in the GP that it really doesn't make sense to think the GP was built to store grain.

Hi Orphia,

The combined storage capacity of the early giant pyramids far exceeds that of our own Svalbard Golbal Seed Vault. If we are to construct our theories around physical evidence then we need only consider the massive amounts of seed (wheat, barley, grape etc) that were recovered from the Step Pyramid complex of Djoser at Saqqara as well as the tens of thousands of distribution/storage vessels also recovered from that pyramid complex.

You may find the following related threads of some interest:

The Pyramid Recovery Vault Theory (RVT)

The Birth of Osiris

Rgerads,

SC