Does Jesus have a soul?

Does Jesus have a soul?

The hierarchy in heaven is God above and all souls below his position followed by angels if you happen to believe in those. That being the case, the human part of Jesus would also be below God and not at the right hand of God. No human soul can sit beside or be equal to God.

The God part of Jesus would be equal to the Father and Holy Spirit thus indistinguishable from either if he manifested himself. He could then sit at God’s right hand but his soul, being less than God-like could not.

If Jesus is at the highest level with God and it is impossible for a soul to be at that level, this indicates that Jesus somehow had two consciousnesses, one divine and one human in the same body on earth and that they would separate upon reaching heaven. That or Jesus had no soul.

If Jesus was not divine and a part of that strange Trinity concept, then he could not sit at the right hand of God as only God can sit at the highest level.

I see an impossible catch 22 here and wondered if any Christian could shed some light to get out of this catch 22.

Regards
DL

Everyone has a soul, so to answer your question, yes he did (does) have a soul. The fundamental flaw in your argument is that our soul and God are somehow separate. They're not, they're actually one in the same.

reply to post by Greatest I am


An Interesting question! SnF!

IMO, sitting on right hand of God is just metaphorical.
Right hand=Good side
Left hand= Bad.
All prophets are obviously on the right hand.
God however does not have hands except metaphorically.

Jesus pbuh has his own soul like every human and has nothing from the trinity idea.
Lets see what the christian ATSers have to say about your OP.

reply to post by Greatest I am
I came upon this conundrum forty years ago and decided to just skip over it and relegate it to the " useless to even think about because it tries to make sense out of a fundamentally flawed belief system and is just best left alone" file. And I'm glad I did.

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If you want an "official" answer on all these Incarnation questions, the thing to do is to go back to the early centuries of the church, because they all got raised and discussed.

The official answer, as decided at the Council of Chalcedon, is that Christ is not only fully God in every respect, but also fully human in every respect..
That means he has a human consciousness. The wording of the Athanasian Creed is "of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting"; which means human consciousness.
The Council insisted on this point because a teacher called Apollinarius had come up with the idea that Jesus did NOT have a "reasonable soul", but it was replaced in him by "the Logos". This view was rejected by the church and decreed heretical.
So the understanding is that being "fully human" involves having a human mind.

My take on this question is No, Jesus does not have a soul. When Jesus walked the earth as a man, then yes, he had a soul.

A soul is a part of our makeup as a human, bearing in mind that being human is a 'fallen' state from a higher state of being.

Jesus is no longer in this fallen state of humanity as he is 'risen' (i.e. returned to that original higher state)

This is the destiny of ALL humans.......eventually.

As Jesus, and we, return to that original higher state of being, we progress, or evolve to the next level of being or consiouness. This process also applies to our soul. So what was our soul also moves onwards and upwards in the spiritual hierarchy and leaves behind its former state of 'Soul' as we leave behind our former state of 'Human'.

Originally posted by Greatest I am
Does Jesus have a soul?

The hierarchy in heaven is God above and all souls below his position followed by angels if you happen to believe in those. That being the case, the human part of Jesus would also be below God and not at the right hand of God. No human soul can sit beside or be equal to God.

The God part of Jesus would be equal to the Father and Holy Spirit thus indistinguishable from either if he manifested himself. He could then sit at God’s right hand but his soul, being less than God-like could not.

If Jesus is at the highest level with God and it is impossible for a soul to be at that level, this indicates that Jesus somehow had two consciousnesses, one divine and one human in the same body on earth and that they would separate upon reaching heaven. That or Jesus had no soul.

If Jesus was not divine and a part of that strange Trinity concept, then he could not sit at the right hand of God as only God can sit at the highest level.

I see an impossible catch 22 here and wondered if any Christian could shed some light to get out of this catch 22.

Regards
DL

No one that comes from above has a soul. Father acted as his soul while he was in the physical

reply to post by jhill76

No one that comes from above has a soul. Father acted as his soul while he was in the physical

There would be no reason for testing or trials if this was truth...

All life has a soul... Including Jesus...

Matthew 12:18
Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by jhill76

 

No one that comes from above has a soul. Father acted as his soul while he was in the physical

There would be no reason for testing or trials if this was truth...

All life has a soul... Including Jesus...

Matthew 12:18
Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

He had a soul, but not of his own like man does, but rather that of Father acting as the soul.

The testing is done for the human side, not the spirit.

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Jesus was a man, no different than you or I. He had a soul just like every other person in history.

Originally posted by jhill76

Originally posted by Akragon
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No one that comes from above has a soul. Father acted as his soul while he was in the physical

There would be no reason for testing or trials if this was truth...

All life has a soul... Including Jesus...

Matthew 12:18
Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

He had a soul, but not of his own like man does, but rather that of Father acting as the soul.

The testing is done for the human side, not the spirit.

I can agree with that... Though you did just say he had no soul...

No matter...

Jesus was very much human, and needed testing just like anyone else...

He was tested by satan (apparently)

And his "own soul" was tested the day before and during his execution... where he actually had a moment of doubt... but again he was human... we do make mistakes

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
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Jesus was a man, no different than you or I. He had a soul just like every other person in history.

I made the correction, that his soul was Father, but not a soul of his own as man does.

Man is whole before he is sent, he is split to become two. One the soul and the other the human side. This process does not take place with one from above.

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And his "own soul" was tested the day before and during his execution... where he actually had a moment of doubt... but again he was human... we do make mistakes

Yes. When I spoke to him, he says he had more periods of doubt than was written, and Father constantly showed him so he could overcome his periods of doubt.

He could not have properly helped if he didn't have those attributes (compassion, doubt, etc.)

Originally posted by jhill76
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And his "own soul" was tested the day before and during his execution... where he actually had a moment of doubt... but again he was human... we do make mistakes

Yes. When I spoke to him, he says he had more periods of doubt than was written, and Father constantly showed him so he could overcome his periods of doubt.

He could not have properly helped if he didn't have those attributes (compassion, doubt, etc.)

When you spoke with him?

I do wish he would speak with me...

In any case, im sure he did have periods of doubt... but such things could never be written about... That would make the Christian God less then God...

Heaven forbid...

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Everyone has a soul, so to answer your question, yes he did (does) have a soul. The fundamental flaw in your argument is that our soul and God are somehow separate. They're not, they're actually one in the same.

edit on 5-3-2013 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)

Your right but it is like you are comparing a whole body with a cell that is a part of the body. At least from my point of view. But then in the oneness one cell is connected to all other cells thru each other. . Kinda like the internet. Some have a very slow connection and cannot get much information thru.

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by jhill76
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And his "own soul" was tested the day before and during his execution... where he actually had a moment of doubt... but again he was human... we do make mistakes

Yes. When I spoke to him, he says he had more periods of doubt than was written, and Father constantly showed him so he could overcome his periods of doubt.

He could not have properly helped if he didn't have those attributes (compassion, doubt, etc.)

When you spoke with him?

I do wish he would speak with me...

In any case, im sure he did have periods of doubt... but such things could never be written about... That would make the Christian God less then God...

Heaven forbid...

Especially when he lost the feeling of the link/oneness on the cross if that is what happened. "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me". Probably the body that cannot keep up the sensory bliss going because it is exhausted.

I get so tired of the people putting Jesus on a pedistal thing. From my point of view it is more of a cop out to not take responsibility and frankly be the best person they can be. I am saved since I say Jesus name. Jesus was special so I do not have to prove myself. Any soul who expects to be in heaven should be able to be guided like he was and have the will to see it thru. But I do not know the level of synchronicity that god used. Maybe the mission was easier for Jesus than we think. I hope it was and I hope he is having childish fun right now .

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I get so tired of the people putting Jesus on a pedistal thing. From my point of view it is more of a cop out to not take responsibility and frankly be the best person they can be

Sorry but you're talking about Paul with his doctrine of grace...

Jesus didn't say you're not responsible for what you do IF you believe in him...

He said do the right thing... stick to what you know is Good...

For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again...

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I hope it was and I hope he is having childish fun right now

There is no fun, there is work to be done.

His words.

Originally posted by jhill76
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I hope it was and I hope he is having childish fun right now

There is no fun, there is work to be done.

His words.

Why does that make me sad?

How can one work when there is no play?

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by jhill76
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I hope it was and I hope he is having childish fun right now

There is no fun, there is work to be done.

His words.

Why does that make me sad?

How can one work when there is no play?

From above. Do not get me started on talking about Paul. Bleeh.

Right kind work is at least stimulating in some way and sometimes it is even fun. Bah I wanna see them now and play. It annoys my mind that they keep silent when I know they can make themselves heard if they want to.